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Old 01-17-2013, 08:46 AM   #326
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I figured I would at least copy the article word for word and allow everyone to make their own conclusion and just not my words for it.


Yeah, thanks for showing us what we already knew, that your "word" was completely inaccurate. This is what you said:

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I just read the actual article. Apparently Car and driver lost the keyless fob before they could actually do a true hot lap in the car [[NOT TRUE]]. Some Shmoe left it on top of the car during one of the laps and the fob just slid off into oblivion. So the car ended up shutting down and they didn't recover the fob. The time posted was the day before the planned hot laps [[NOT TRUE]]. (prob the hot laps where done by a paid professional. [[NOT TRUE]]. )
Once again, as the article says...they lapped all the cars two days in a row (BOTH DAYS FOR TIME...aka hot laps), and weren't able to the second day. On the second day, many of the cars (i.e. but not all) set their fastest times.

Once again, nothing like you originally said. How on earth you get your post from that article is ridiculous.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:45 AM   #327
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SCRAPs has been hounding me about it, so without further ado, here's my 5k mile review:

I love it! Ok, the gas mileage isn't great (I'm getting a bit over 25) but it pulls hard when I need to pass some jamokes so it's not unreasonable. I see people doing better but have no idea how they drive. I'm also surprised how much I like features I once considered unnecessary.

Exterior: Not much to add here, you know what it looks like. I wish the HIDs pointed a little higher, I may look into adjusting them if possible. I wish the LEDs were on all the time because narcissism. The auto headlight feature is really nice. When it's dark or you turn the wipers on, the headlights come on automatically and shut off automatically or when you shut the car off. You can control them if you want (like the olden days ha) but it's nifty not having to worry about it. The hood gap on the bumper is quite strange, yet common. The pads also dust like an absolute banshee. I much prefer the 2010 Focus RS front end, and even the current base grill over the catfish lok, but I've had a random guy at work ask me about the car and compliment me on it. Otherwise, yep, it's a Focus.

Interior: This is the longest because it's where you spend all your time. First off, these seats rock! Being on NASIOC, we've all seen a bajillion posts about Recaros and how the STI has never gotten them but other countries do. This is one time we can't bitch about not getting the good stuff. They're super bolstered on the thighs and shoulders and are even too tight for a lot of people. I'm 6' 155lbs and love them. Leather and heated as well, which was a requirement. So nice!

The driving position after the seat is a tad awkward at times. I find the driver's door arm rest to be too low to rest my arm and steer with the same hand. The center console armrest is perfect height but several inches higher which is annoying. There's also no dead pedal. Not in a Viper way where there's literally nothing. The space is there, it's just carpet rather than a pedal. Not a big deal. What's a bigger deal is the gas pedal is too far recessed (IMO) for good heel toe-ing unless you are crazy deep on the brakes, which you wouldn't possibly be on the street. I did a mod to shim it up a bit and it's still not what I would even call "good". Bit of a demerit there, especially for a performance car that only comes in manual. I feel the wheel itself is a bit tilted away from me as well. Not a big deal, but enough to notice. I also feel I'm sitting deep into the car because the engine is so far back towards the firewall and under the windshield, pushing the whole dash and driving position backwards. I can look out my driver's side rear window rather easily with a turn of the head, WRC style.

I got the ST3 which has the whole nav shebang. I updated Sync yesterday and there's a noticeable improvement in touch response. Also, being able to touch all 4 quadrants rather than just the banners on the edges is welcome and how it should have been all along.

I was always one to say it was unnecessary, but not needing a key is great. Keep it in my pocket and stick my hand in the door handle and it unlocks. Push the black pad on the handle to lock it. Push start. Google Play Music on my phone starts instantly via Bluetooth when I turn the car on. Nice screen. The minor detail of adding a little bubble mirror on the side mirror for your blind spot is priceless and something every car should come with. Costs almost nothing but gives so much value.

The back seats fold down or you could lift the rear bench seat up and then fold the back down even further. This requires the drivers seats to be moved up to not be at much of an angle, though. I fit my set of winter wheels and mounted tires from Tire Rack without much issue but still could use some more room with bulky things like that. The sloped roof inhibits the cargo space a bit and the floor isn't particularly low. Not bad, not great. Still a hatchback so it beats my old RS.

Brakes: Firm pedal and very responsive. More than I'm used to. I have an offramp I like to late brake into and it's always got more than enough. Although, like I said before, these pads dust horrendously. Like, a few drives after washing the car the dust is accumulating already.

Handling: I've never driven a FWD car that rotates this much. With ESC on, you can have a bit of fun overcooking it into a corner or modulate it with some lift oversteer. The effect is greater in Sport mode and of course, completely off is a hoot. I generally never touch these though because A) I don't think of it and 2) I don't think of it because I'm commuting and it's rather irrelevant. When you can have some fun though, it handles rather neutrally.

The biggest gripe I've had is that when I drive the car without my phone for any distance, it won't recognize it the next time I'm in the car. I have no idea why this is but it's forced me to bring my phone with me on 1 minute drives just to not lose it. Hopefully this new Sync update has fixed that, but I don't really want to find out the hard way. Not the worst problem for a car to have.

We'll see how it does in the winter but like I said, I have snows ready to go on it already. But in general, the day to day is fantastic, which is what I bought it for; a comfortable yet quick DD. I have absolutely no intentions to mod it because I already have a fast as balls track car and plan to keep this for years. Sure, it would look better lowered and would be faster with an exhaust and tune, but I'm going to have this in my early 30s. Those days are behind me and I have the fun car for that anyways. Also, the value was good when I bought it 3 months ago for $27.5 but people are getting them in the same fully loaded trim below $25k now! The next WRX better be damn good...


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Old 08-14-2013, 12:03 PM   #328
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Great review - although don't kid yourself about turning 30. You won't automatically turn into some chubby daddie-type and abandon going fast in/on stuff. I ride a 600cc sportbike and I'm nearly 50 years old.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:14 PM   #329
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How has the reliability been on the ST? I was looking at one hard, but checking on the ST forums (taken with a grain of salt, of course), I saw so many problems and quality control issues that I just couldn't bring myself to get one. I had a really nice deal setup for an ST2 with the Recaro seats, sunroof and such for 23,000......
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:20 PM   #330
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I know, which is why I have a track car to go as fast as I want in.

It's anecdotal, but I've had no quality or mechanical issues on mine. UKScooby from OT seems to have a lemon with a bunch of issues.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:35 PM   #331
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Great review - although don't kid yourself about turning 30. You won't automatically turn into some chubby daddie-type and abandon going fast in/on stuff. I ride a 600cc sportbike and I'm nearly 50 years old.
I'm almost 40 and I was trail braking into corners all last weekend on one of my bikes. Nothing better than donning the leathers at 7am for a full day's ride out in the twisties with 170 RWHP on tap. I'll be this way until death or until I can't ride anymore Growing up is for suckers.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:57 PM   #332
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Thanks for the review, it's great to hear something not written by a magazine. The ST is pretty high on my list for my next DD, though I'm going to wait to see what happens with the new Stang, STI, and I may test out the new S3 too. So many good choices coming soon.

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Definitely! That's a little secret I try to keep from the kids -- you never actually grow up, you just get good at faking it when necessary .

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Old 08-16-2013, 05:26 PM   #333
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I got to borrow one for a couple days, used mostly for commuting and driving around town.

- Handling: Probably the best handling FWD car I've driven, including the MS3. The car will easily rotate when entering the hairpin on-ramp near my house. Turning stability control off makes it even more tail happy, super fun.

- Brakes: High pedal with good feel, not Evo/STI brembo quality but very good.

- Interior: I'm not an interior guy, but the seats are excellent. Shoulders don't really fit, but whatever.

- Power: Ok fine, this isn't the fastest car in the world. Friend in a V6 Accord coupe easily pulled away on the highway. I'd compare it to a stage 2, 2002 WRX with much less turbo lag. Will easily spin the tires in 1st/2nd gear though.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:19 PM   #334
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I drove the ST in anger during a Ford Challenge event in Pasadena. They had a 35-second AutoX course out there and there were tons of people in line. I'm sure the car that I drove had worn tires since I got on it pretty late, but this car handles great. You truly get the best out of it by driving it clean and letting the car settle into its line. Lots of people were driving the thing balls-out, diving into turns and howling the tires, but their 38+ second times seem to prove that the car doesn't like to be tossed like a rag doll.

My only complaint so far would be the ergonomics. I didn't find the seats to be comfortable, and the adjusters were oddly placed. I tried to find the height adjuster, but either this car doesn't have one or it's somewhere that I'm not used to seeing one. There was so little time to learn the features of the car before they let you loose.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:46 PM   #335
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latest news from the Nordschleife (Renault Megane without cup package, Golf GTI 7 with performance package, Opel Astra OPC = Vauxhall Astra VXR)

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The facelifted Ford Focus ST has been spotted testing at the Nürburgring.

Due on sale in 2015, the facelifted car is shown here in a relatively undisguised form - though camouflage can still be seen around the front and rear bumpers. The larger, lower front grille can still be seen, which draws inspiration from the design used on Aston Martin models.

Aside from the front and rear bumpers, there appears to be very few other cosmetic changes over the existing model. The standard facelifted Focus has also been spotted testing at the circuit.

Ford has not yet released information on engine specifications, but the facelifted Focus ST is expected to use the same 2.0-litre EcoBoost engine as the current model, developing around 250bhp. Prices are likely to start at around £23,000.

The car will rival other hot hatchbacks, including the Renault Mégane Renaultsport, BMW M135i and Volkswagen Scirocco R when it goes on sale.

Ford is also working on a new generation of Focus RS, with that model also slated for production in 2015. That model will use a new Ford-developed 2.3-litre turbocharged four-cylinder engine tuned to around 330bhp.




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Old 10-08-2013, 03:58 PM   #337
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I know, which is why I have a track car to go as fast as I want in.

It's anecdotal, but I've had no quality or mechanical issues on mine. UKScooby from OT seems to have a lemon with a bunch of issues.
Just saw this.

I do. Mine is a horrible example and I wish I'd never bought it, opting for the WRX instead. Actually, I'd have probably bought the low miles 535xI manual I wanted to test drive.

So lets see...

Misfiring
Hesitating
Random boost issues
Failing center gauge lcd panel (between revs and speedo)
Low to no output from the sub
Clutch is weird - never can I get consistent shifts. Been driving manuals for decades - this one is plain just messed up.
Terrible mpg's - averaging 26 at 70mph, in the teens in town. Others are decently in to the 30's at 70mph.
Doesn't seem to handle like I'd expect - a lot of body roll on on ramps and exits. A rental Focus SE sport corned flatter on the same ramps, same speed. I had more confidence in that SE than the ST.
Feels very weak, must be down on power - doesnt have anything like the go of my 02 WRX wagon nor my 02 Maxima. Both similar HP both similar weight.
Engine has a shake and vibrates at 1900 - 2200rpm. No one knows why. Feels like the crank is out of balance and it makes the whole car shake.
Lights are poor (mine is an ST2 with standard halogens) The cut off is too low - drive on hilly roads and you'll suddenly run out of light as the road up hill in front of you vanishes.
Fog lights light about a foot in front. They should throw a few feet further, other wise whats the point of lights that effectively add a glow to the road a footstep away from the front bumper?
There is so much soot out the exhaust that it has stained the yellow paint dark grey.

I've put 12200 miles on it in just over 5 months and cant remember a single full week where I've enjoyed driving it every day. I think I would like it a lot more if it performed as it should. It needs another 4mpg @ 70mpg, 30hp and some polishing of the rough edges than I'd be content.
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^ Whoa! MKV GTI worthy report card!
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:58 PM   #339
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I'm curious to see how the new RS will be, I really hope in the case of the RS the powers that be decide to offer a two door option in the states.
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:15 PM   #340
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^ Whoa! MKV GTI worthy report card!
This is why I won't buy a VW product. I have been through hell with my Audi. Sad to hear about all the issues with Ford too!
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:05 AM   #341
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And yet my Mark VI has been 100% flawless
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:11 AM   #342
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And yet my Mark VI has been 100% flawless
so you're telling be a brand new 2013 is flawless... just wait.

Found a mint MKV R32 with low low 30k miles, one owner and all records with zero bodywork in Feb... Bought it thinking reliability rumors were overblown, how can a car be so bad right? I needed a practically of a hatch and because of life changes I had to have an automatic, the R32 fit the bill perfectly.

In the last 8k miles I've owned the POS these have gone wrong.

-wheel bearing shot
-driver door lock stopped working (job that requires the removal of door skin)
-strut bearing started popping
-AC compressor exploded taking out the whole system (over 2k bill)
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so you're telling be a brand new 2013 is flawless... just wait.

Found a mint MKV R32 with low low 30k miles, one owner and all records with zero bodywork in Feb... Bought it thinking reliability rumors were overblown, how can a car be so bad right? I needed a practically of a hatch and because of life changes I had to have an automatic, the R32 fit the bill perfectly.

In the last 8k miles I've owned the POS these have gone wrong.

-wheel bearing shot
-driver door lock stopped working (job that requires the removal of door skin)
-strut bearing started popping
-AC compressor exploded taking out the whole system (over 2k bill)
That's nothing. My 2012 Mustang GT had more than twice those issues in 18 months of ownership. I would still own it if I only had those issues you listed.
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so you're telling be a brand new 2013 is flawless... just wait.

Found a mint MKV R32 with low low 30k miles, one owner and all records with zero bodywork in Feb... Bought it thinking reliability rumors were overblown, how can a car be so bad right? I needed a practically of a hatch and because of life changes I had to have an automatic, the R32 fit the bill perfectly.

In the last 8k miles I've owned the POS these have gone wrong.

-wheel bearing shot
-driver door lock stopped working (job that requires the removal of door skin)
-strut bearing started popping
-AC compressor exploded taking out the whole system (over 2k bill)
First off thought is that your .:R had been lowered and put back to stock? Other things are definitely MKV platform poor parts source quality issues I had over a dozen of at one time.
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:34 PM   #345
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Looking at exhaust again. I like the Cobb one but at $800 I'm not sure I can I want to spend that (and it's pretty loud). Looking at MBRP as it can be had for about $465

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-I don't want it to sound like a crappy civic with a can on the back
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First off thought is that your .:R had been lowered and put back to stock? Other things are definitely MKV platform poor parts source quality issues I had over a dozen of at one time.
cause lowering the car explodes the ac compressor, makes door locks stop working
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cause lowering the car explodes the ac compressor, makes door locks stop working
The service department would argue that.

No, the hub and strut issues are lowering related if not done properly, and the AC and door locks are parts sourcing failures.
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i can assure you the car was never modded, apparently strut bearing is a common issue so is the door locks and ac compressor exploding. Guess i didn't do a good enough research. Lesson learned.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:04 PM   #349
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Just saw this.

I do. Mine is a horrible example and I wish I'd never bought it, opting for the WRX instead. Actually, I'd have probably bought the low miles 535xI manual I wanted to test drive.

So lets see...

Misfiring
Hesitating
Random boost issues
[...]
Feels very weak, must be down on power - doesnt have anything like the go of my 02 WRX wagon nor my 02 Maxima. Both similar HP both similar weight.
[...]
There is so much soot out the exhaust that it has stained the yellow paint dark grey.

I've put 12200 miles on it in just over 5 months and cant remember a single full week where I've enjoyed driving it every day. I think I would like it a lot more if it performed as it should. It needs another 4mpg @ 70mpg, 30hp and some polishing of the rough edges than I'd be content.
Has the dealer checked splices in your wiring harness? I hear that splice "s132" has been causing all kind of issues for FST owners.
I also hear that it takes some convincing to get dealers to perform the fix on that splice (even if there's a TSB about it).
It seems like it's overall a good car but Ford definitely missed a few things here and there. I hope they'll take care of these things for you (sooner rather than later).
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:23 PM   #350
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Has the dealer checked splices in your wiring harness? I hear that splice "s132" has been causing all kind of issues for FST owners.
I also hear that it takes some convincing to get dealers to perform the fix on that splice (even if there's a TSB about it).
It seems like it's overall a good car but Ford definitely missed a few things here and there. I hope they'll take care of these things for you (sooner rather than later).
If all of those problems existed he could get it lemoned. The dealer cant deny everything...............
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