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Old 10-09-2012, 08:53 PM   #51
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Must not give in....


Must not!!!
Don't even consider it. I could tell you right off the bat it's not the car for you.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:05 PM   #52
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I agree, that is why I am considering an STI, Focus ST and 328i, and 335i (but that gets really spendy)
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:32 PM   #53
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I agree, that is why I am considering an STI, Focus ST and 328i, and 335i (but that gets really spendy)
Go drive a BOSS 302.

.. just sayin.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:39 PM   #54
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OH,

Requirements are New, FUN, Manual, 4 doors, sub 50k

AWD, FWD, RWD, is all on the table.

CPO BMW is still in the mix, as is an S4, but not really sure I want the headache.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:06 PM   #55
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CPO BMW is still in the mix, as is an S4, but not really sure I want the headache.
You don't.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:15 PM   #56
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I drove by a dealer so I could see one, the were asking 28K here in Dallas.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:36 PM   #57
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I agree, that is why I am considering an STI, Focus ST and 328i, and 335i (but that gets really spendy)
I drove a Focus ST at a driving event that was going around a few months ago. It doesn't belong in this list. If you absolutely must have a hatchback, and don't care about AWD, I suppose you could do a lot worse than the ST, but it didn't strike me as being a great handling car like these reviews make it out to be. Great brakes, decent acceleration, and it did have good turn in, but the suspension, shifting, and steering were really soft and I felt like I was sitting 8 feet off the ground. Some of these reviews really have me scratching my head. Middle of the road performance, middle of the road handling, middle of the road looks... I don't understand where the hype is coming from.

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Old 10-10-2012, 12:20 AM   #58
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I drove a Focus ST at a driving event that was going around a few months ago. It doesn't belong in this list. If you absolutely must have a hatchback, and don't care about AWD, I suppose you could do a lot worse than the ST, but it didn't strike me as being a great handling car like these reviews make it out to be. Great brakes, decent acceleration, and it did have good turn in, but the suspension, shifting, and steering were really soft and I felt like I was sitting 8 feet off the ground. Some of these reviews really have me scratching my head. Middle of the road performance, middle of the road handling, middle of the road looks... I don't understand where the hype is coming from.
Ford probably gives great junket.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:43 AM   #59
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You're ignorant, and we wont take you seriously. Get out.

I wouldn't call the current WRX engaging. Comfortable would be a better term. I drove the 2011, and it was plenty quick, but the steering still felt heavy and not so responsive, and the acceleration was more moderate than explosive. Don't get me wrong, the current WRX is a great car and has the best AWD system I've ever had the pleasure to own or drive, but out of the box maniacal race car like the MS3 it is not. Engaging it is certainly not. I've yet to drive the ST, but I will when I take my car in for service next month.

The ST is bringing some serious game, and its only in its first year. This is born again Ford we're talking about. They ****ed up in years past, they aren't taking any chances with their new mission. They are coming back hard, and this car will be no exception. Issues will be sorted. I hated ford for many, many years because they represented everything I hated about US cars. They are changing my mind rather fast. I want the ST to succeed because it will keep the game alive. Mitsu buried their dicks in the sand by pooping on the next evo, I don't want other companies to think this a what the consumers deem as acceptable. Competition among companies is good for consumers. Don't be so quick to massage the WRX's taint, it's not the only fun 4dr turbo out there.
I'm sorry I stated my opinion, your right I should say what fits your standards......"I thought this was America!" I'm not bashing the car just saying I can't take a fwd car as a serious track car. Once again my apology for giving my opinion won't happen again unless you approve.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:33 AM   #60
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I drove a Focus ST at a driving event that was going around a few months ago. It doesn't belong in this list. If you absolutely must have a hatchback, and don't care about AWD, I suppose you could do a lot worse than the ST, but it didn't strike me as being a great handling car like these reviews make it out to be. Great brakes, decent acceleration, and it did have good turn in, but the suspension, shifting, and steering were really soft and I felt like I was sitting 8 feet off the ground. Some of these reviews really have me scratching my head. Middle of the road performance, middle of the road handling, middle of the road looks... I don't understand where the hype is coming from.
Middle of the road? Well guess that depends on your road.
So in your assessment half the cars on the road today are better,

And every automotive journalist is wrong. That's fine.

It is not the greatest car on earth but it is a very fun car!

But your proof that you can't please all the people all the time

Maybe it is just not the right fit for you ?

Although I agree, that it feels like you are sitting on the car and not IN the car. I totally agree with that.

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:11 AM   #61
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For 34 - 37k msrp no thanks, its way too expensive for the same old ****.
Not sure I understand this

A 300 hp AWD car costs this much.
Regardless of how long it's been out

Can you elaborate
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:24 AM   #62
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Not sure I understand this

A 300 hp AWD car costs this much.
Regardless of how long it's been out

Can you elaborate
I think he's referring to essentially the same (outdated really especially interior wise) car that's been out since 2008 and going back to 2004 as far as driveline and AWD system goes. Can you not wait until the 2014 WRX as there should be some significant changes for the first time since the cars have been introduced in North America?
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:54 AM   #63
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Who is to say the changes are for the better? They may put a smaller engine, and make the car smaller. Who knows what the car will be. I am perfectly happy with an STI as it is today. A torquey beast that is inspiring to drive. yes, I concede that the interior is a bit old. There are no well integrated glitzy screens and push buttons to start.

But the seats are supportive. The technology is proven. The drivetrain is very reliable. Not to say that the next WRX/STI that subaru makes will be anything less.

I do understand the thoughts of the car being older technology. I cannot really argue with that. But in the land of fun and affordable 4 doors, the STI still reigns supreme to me. 37k is not that much money for all the power, handling, and feel of the STI.

Can I wait for 2014, well perhaps, but I do not see anything wrong with the current crop of fun 4 doors on the market. It is just which one do I want.

But listen, enough about my personal dysfunction when it comes to buying a new car.

This is about the Focus ST. I would love to hear more reviews from other people.
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I'd love to test one out but who knows when Canada will get them? They have been available to order since September but none that I know of have been delivered to dealer lots.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:38 AM   #65
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Can you not wait until the 2014 WRX as there should be some significant changes for the first time since the cars have been introduced in North America?
Aside from the 2.0L motor that may have a bit more peak horsepower, is there any reason to believe that the next WRX will be substantially better than what we have now? I opted to grab a '13 WRX myself because even if the new car is better, after watching the BRZ guys suffer through first year blues, I'd want to wait at least a year anyway. Plus it's not *that* expensive to trade-up a Subaru.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:06 PM   #66
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I also did one of those ST autoxx events. It seemed plenty quick and it responded well, my dad said I was picking up a wheel in tight corners.
My problem is it felt a bit video-gamey. It was ticking all those boxes, but it didn't fizz. Maybe it would be different on a backroad.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:17 PM   #67
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Middle of the road? Well guess that depends on your road.
So in your assessment half the cars on the road today are better,

And every automotive journalist is wrong. That's fine.

It is not the greatest car on earth but it is a very fun car!

But your proof that you can't please all the people all the time

Maybe it is just not the right fit for you ?

Although I agree, that it feels like you are sitting on the car and not IN the car. I totally agree with that.
Yeah I was just giving my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it

And yes I do think every automotive journalist is wrong. I have lost all faith in the auto journalism industry in the last few years. I don't remember the last time I read a review of a new car that didn't say it was the best car ever made. I put no weight in car reviews anymore, I just drive them myself and form my opinion that way.

I wouldn't wait around for the next WRX to come out. If you buy a new car today by the time it goes on sale you'll be ready to trade it anyways and you can choose from all the new models that are currently just twinkles in the milk man's eye. That's my plan at least.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:31 PM   #68
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good plan. I tend to cycle cars every 2.5 years anyway, so if I get one and I fall in love with another, at least Subarus hold onto their value fairly well.
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I haven't driven it yet, but the small back seat and 12 gallon tank are deal breakers for me.
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:13 PM   #70
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I haven't driven it yet, but the small back seat and 12 gallon tank are deal breakers for me.
It's not the wrong wheel drive?
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:16 PM   #71
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Yeah I was just giving my opinion. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it

And yes I do think every automotive journalist is wrong. I have lost all faith in the auto journalism industry in the last few years. I don't remember the last time I read a review of a new car that didn't say it was the best car ever made. I put no weight in car reviews anymore, I just drive them myself and form my opinion that way.

I wouldn't wait around for the next WRX to come out. If you buy a new car today by the time it goes on sale you'll be ready to trade it anyways and you can choose from all the new models that are currently just twinkles in the milk man's eye. That's my plan at least.
I would agree, but the first review I read of the Veloster Turbo made me feel like the journalist was very balanced and after I sat in a regular Veloster for about an hour I respected the journalist even more.

I just think it depends on where you go. You have to follow like-minded journalists.
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I drove a Focus ST at a driving event that was going around a few months ago. It doesn't belong in this list. If you absolutely must have a hatchback, and don't care about AWD, I suppose you could do a lot worse than the ST, but it didn't strike me as being a great handling car like these reviews make it out to be. Great brakes, decent acceleration, and it did have good turn in, but the suspension, shifting, and steering were really soft and I felt like I was sitting 8 feet off the ground. Some of these reviews really have me scratching my head. Middle of the road performance, middle of the road handling, middle of the road looks... I don't understand where the hype is coming from.
Finally someone who echo's my sentiments!
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:26 PM   #73
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Finally someone who echo's my sentiments!
Same, I thought this car did not meet the hype. Power, appeal, it's definitely there...but driving dynamics, I just didn't come out of it smiling and wanting to put a deposit down. I wanted to be blown away. Thing looks awesome though.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:50 PM   #74
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Hey man, power to ya...not all shoes fit everybody,

but out of curiosity, what car does blow you away?

what do you guys consider a fun to drive great car.
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Go drive a BOSS 302.

.. just sayin.
or a gt anyway if those others are being considered in the mix

****...even the v6 with a track pak
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