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Old 10-11-2012, 06:29 AM   #1
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Just when you thought you’d seen it all, you find out that some companies will start selling motor oil in pouches just like this one:
Ever wanted to buy yourself a bag of motor oil? Your wait is almost over, as Eco Ultra will begin selling pouches of oil in 2013.

According to Universal Lubricants, LLC, the company behind the Eco-Ultra motor oil brand, these pouches will be on shelves early next year. What do you think? Keep reading to comment.
Why Put Oil In A Pouch?

There are a few advantages that come with selling motor oil in flexible pouches made from a 3-layer barrier of polyester, nylon and linear low-density polyethylene that’s 6 mils thick.
  • Empty pouches fold flat, so they take up less space in landfills
  • Pouches use less raw material than the standard oil bottle
  • It’s very easy to introduce unique designs to a pouch, with unlimited package printing options as well as an unlimited array of screw-on cap designs
  • Pouring oil is easier from a pouch than it is from a bottle (at least if you’re not using a funnel)
It may also be that these pouches are cheaper than the blow molded, rigid high-density polyethylene (HDPE) bottles most oil retailers use, but I wasn’t able to confirm that.
Boxes filled with bags of oil – is this our automotive future?

Green Gone Too Far?

Reason number one – used pouches fold flat, so they take up less space in landfills – seems to be the key “angle” that Eco Ultra is taking:
“when we put oil in flexible packages, the benefits are multiplied many times. Once drained and flattened, flexible pouches can significantly reduce landfill waste,” says John Wesley, CEO of Universal Lubricants
Seeing as how Eco Ultra oil is recycled – which is an interesting notion in itself , as used oil simply can’t perform as well as new oil as I understand it – this “pouches are better for the Earth” sales pitch might work.
To try and allay fears that oil pouches are less durable, Universal Lubricants reports that pouches have survived drop tests in “excess of 20 feet” intact.
Finally, according to PackWorld.com, pouched motor oil is readily available internationally, indicating that this idea of “motor oil in a bag” isn’t as new as anyone might think it is (including it seems Universal Lubricants).
Still, the fact remains that oil sold in sturdy HDPE bottles is what American consumers have come to expect. All of pouch benefits notwithstanding, consumer acceptance might “flatten” the success of the motor oil pouch.
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:10 AM   #2
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If pouring is actually easier then I am all for it. I never use a funnel
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:15 AM   #3
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Seems like a good idea for people who buy it one litre at a time.
That would be a lot of plastic to deal with.

I usually get it in a larger 4-5L container then put my old oil in the used container to go back for recycling. (Then they dump the oil into a huge barrel and recycle the plastic container anyway.)

So, that's a good point....why are they talking about these going into landfills?
Are they not recyclable? If so, that would be a huge step in the wrong direction. At least the small bottles are totally recyclable.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:51 AM   #4
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I'd be interested to see an analysis of the relative environmental impact of motor oil's packaging in relation to that of the extraction and distribution of said motor oil itself. I have a sneaking feeling that the packaging's effect is negligible.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:56 AM   #5
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I dont like it.
I pour the used oil into the old jug, to take to recycling. With this thing I wont be able to pour it back.

I would have though that the old oil + jugs would get recycled properly. Some states might not support recycling of oily plastic though.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:18 AM   #6
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I dont like it.
I pour the used oil into the old jug, to take to recycling. With this thing I wont be able to pour it back.

I would have though that the old oil + jugs would get recycled properly. Some states might not support recycling of oily plastic though.
Been using this for years and much easier than re-filling jugs one by one. Holds 10 qts. Just empty out what you use to catch oil into it, or use it to catch the oil itself... has a little grate over the bigger opening to catch the oil drain plug when you unsrew it from the oil pan.




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Old 10-11-2012, 09:41 AM   #7
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Interesting.


This has actually been done for some time in other industries, but to a more extreme extent. Some machine gearboxes are oiled by taking a big bag of oil and putting it into the gearbox before sealing it up. The gears then chew up the bag and dispense the oil.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:18 AM   #8
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Pouch, bottle, who cares? Does seem like it would be easier to pour, so I like the idea.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:23 AM   #9
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Been using this for years and much easier than re-filling jugs one by one. Holds 10 qts. Just empty out what you use to catch oil into it, or use it to catch the oil itself... has a little grate over the bigger opening to catch the oil drain plug when you unsrew it from the oil pan.




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Same. Dump oil in this nice pan, clean oil from 5qt wally world container, dump dirty oil back into 5qt container. My only complaint with this little guy is that the opening isn't super large so if, like my civic, your oil filter loves to barf oil out all over your engine bay when you remove it, you might get drips on the pavement.

I remember back in the 90s when I used *gasp* a standard pan
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:25 AM   #10
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I would support this if the price of the oil container is reflected in the cost. If it is cheaper to make than the current plastic bottle, reflect that in the price. Even if it is just $0.50 per quart. Give the cost back to the customer.

If not, this is just ANOTHER way to cut costs and charge more under the umbrella of being green...

I have a sneaky suspicion that this has nothing do with land fills, and everything to do with increasing profit margins. Which I am of course okay with. Bag, bottle makes no difference to me. But lets call it what is it.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #11
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Dump oil in this nice pan, clean oil from 5qt wally world container, dump dirty oil back into 5qt container.
Sounds like too much work. I just use a Fumoto valve and a hose -- drain the oil directly into empty milk jugs, and then put the jugs out at the curb with the rest of the recycling.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:36 AM   #12
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Same. Dump oil in this nice pan, clean oil from 5qt wally world container, dump dirty oil back into 5qt container. My only complaint with this little guy is that the opening isn't super large so if, like my civic, your oil filter loves to barf oil out all over your engine bay when you remove it, you might get drips on the pavement.

I remember back in the 90s when I used *gasp* a standard pan
I just use this to transport the oil after the change from my house to the recycling center. No spills.

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Old 10-11-2012, 10:38 AM   #13
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Sounds like too much work. I just use a Fumoto valve and a hose -- drain the oil directly into empty milk jugs, and then put the jugs out at the curb with the rest of the recycling.
Wait... what? Your services actually take care of that for you? NICE!
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:43 AM   #14
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So what happens when a kid drinks this stuff?
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:47 AM   #15
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Wait... what? Your services actually take care of that for you? NICE!
Is it uncommon? I take it for granted, we've had it for as long as I can remember. It's a lot nicer than having to carry used oil down to the nearest auto store with a recycling tank.

Either way, I definitely like the Fumoto valve. No splatter, no pouring, just put it directly into whatever container you want. One of the first things I buy for any new car . Now if only we'd start putting the filter on the top on all cars, oil changing would be mess-free.
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This will be nice for cars that keep an extra qt in them for leaks.

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This will be nice for cars that keep an extra qt in them for leaks.
No better place to announce it, then, than a Subaru forum .
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seems like a reasonable, yet non newsworthy packaging method for motor oil.

Aschen has at least 15 gal in his shed waiting to be recyceld. Always for get to bring it with me to the autoparts store
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:39 AM   #19
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To me, that's just part of doing the oil change... not having it hang around.

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Old 10-11-2012, 02:58 PM   #20
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Like has already been said, making it easier to poor or if it makes the oil cheaper I'd be all for it.

I'm kind of skeptical of this specific brands angle though. Green motor oil? I don't think the average motor oil shopper will be swayed by that, especially if you have to pay more for it. Sure there are some people who would go down a motor oil isle and make their decision based on what is in green packaging, but I bet the majority of them aren't doing their own oil changes.
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I would rather they use metal cans with a screw on top. Charge a deposit on the can and the oil that is refunded when you return the old can and used oil. Oil and can are both recycled and it provides and incentive to dispose of both properly.
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:31 PM   #22
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No better place to announce it, then, than a Subaru forum .
Air cooled Porsche & VW people are going to piddle themselves in joy.

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Old 10-11-2012, 05:50 PM   #23
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This just encourage people to immediately throw the bags away when they are done with them. This is not the right approach, we should be focused on more recycling and not just throwing away smaller items. Based on the information on that site, you can't recycle these bags even if you wanted to.

Throwing items away isn't eco friendly, this company is a farce by trying to claim their product *designed to be thrown away* is an eco solution.

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Old 10-11-2012, 05:59 PM   #24
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May be bogus/misinformation on their part but my local recycling center wouldn't take used oil containers for plastic recycling due to the oil residue, had to trash them.
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May be bogus/misinformation on their part but my local recycling center wouldn't take used oil containers for plastic recycling due to the oil residue, had to trash them.
Many "recycling centres" will only accept what they can turn an easy profit on. Check with your local gov't, they may do a broader recycling programme. In my city I can take any household waste (oil, containers, flourescent bulbs, spent uranium rods etc...) to the mall every other Sunday and the "wastemobile" will take care of it.
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