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Old 10-13-2012, 09:00 PM   #76
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What blows my mind is how you put a 06 rack in a 02 unless I missed the part with the replacing of the front cross memeber. Or some other smaller detail.
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Tie rods have nothing to do with it, the 06 is a completely different mounting system and would require an 06 crossmember. Tie rods differ from wagon to sedan and maybe from year to year, but it does not change the fact that you cannot bolt an 06 rack into an 02 crossmember. That alone makes me question the shops abilities. 2 Racks, supposedly completely different application with identical issues points to a different cause (improper bleeding, low pressure or bad hoses) I hate the 02+ style pumps, way too many connections that can allow air into the system. 01 and back style pumps are much more reliable.

Just so this is sorted out, all Q-rack's are made from 04 STi racks with modded internals, which usually ends up with 05/06 type threading on the inner tie rods... that is the only difference it does not change the out tie rod threading as it stayed the same and so do all the mounting points. Subaru just decided to screw with things. The issue is there are 3 different part numbers for inner tie rods that fit this rack.

34160AE000
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any GD car can mount the 04 STi rack or Q-rack, it has also been tested that you can also mount a 06+ rack into any GD car and others with very minimal effort.. Yes not ideal but it works.
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:16 PM   #77
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Interesting. Thanks.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:41 PM   #78
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Sorry to hear about your problem. Q-rack customer service is poor but I have had zero problems with mine in 2 years of the most abuse a rack can be given.

I also don't think it is the rack, when I bled mine it took about 3 hours to really get all the air out of the system.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:51 PM   #79
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One of the reasons I asked the OP to raise idle speed during the condition. That would confirm low pressure at low rpm in my mind. Good stuff here.
aww. i'd sig that if this forum allowed signatures


OP - you say it's fine at high rpm but not low. do your parking lot test and i'd also see how you went if you sped up to 30mph or whatever (in a clear area), clutched it so the revs fell and then tried steering.
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Old 10-14-2012, 06:01 AM   #80
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when the revs are down or in neutral, it does it! perfect example...pulling into a parking spot from 10mph role (1st gear), throw it in neutral, and turn, and shutter time.
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:07 AM   #81
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...The issue is there are 3 different part numbers for inner tie rods that fit this rack.
34160AE000
34160AE001
34160AE010...
I do not believe that those inner tie rods share the same rack-side thread size. I am certain that 34160AE010 and 34160AE001 are different sizes. Not sure about 34160AE000, have not seen one of those yet. I have seen both 14mm x 1.5 and 16mm x 1.5 sizes so far.
However I do agree that the outer rod threads are all the same size 14mm x 1.5.

v Cool. I just wanted to make sure I was incorrect about the part numbers and thread sizes.

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Old 10-14-2012, 10:49 AM   #82
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yes you are correct, what I was trying to get at is that when you look up inner tie rod ends in the subaru system it will come up with all 3 of those numbers, one will fit the normal 04 STi rack (34160AE010) and the 34160AE000 is the one I used for my Q-rack.

I should have said there are 3 tie rods that fit this "type" of rack. sorry for the miss understanding.
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:00 PM   #83
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Not sure what the issue is, but THIS POST alone is enough to ensure I will not be getting a Q rack, or recommending one in the future.

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There is over 2000racks out there maybe you werent patient enough to break a freshly cut rack in. You will find what? 10-15 that have ever even leaked? 20yrs going, thats a solid record. Ever seen the redbull cars? by vermont? KenBlocks car? Or 100's other rally cars? no issues. You mod your car then complain about it not being a cushy as a factory caddilac.

Freshly cut rack grinds and shudders, takes a bit to work it in. You got two racks out of it. Send the other one back, I'll put it in a car here in Ontario free, if it works fine you pay me $1200, if it doesnt work fine I'll pay Yimis bill. Fair enough?

This will be my last and only post on the issue. Contact me on IWSTI where I am a vendor.

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Old 10-14-2012, 12:07 PM   #84
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Break a steering rack in? Is this similar to breaking in a new waffle maker? What else in this world do I need to know the correct break in procedure for...
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:26 PM   #85
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Not sure what the issue is, but THIS POST alone is enough to ensure I will not be getting a Q rack, or recommending one in the future.
He's saying it as it is. And most of us here don't believe it's the rack.

Edit: I don't agree with his comment on having the buyer pay for the rack if installed in another car. But I do agree that if the rack is NOT the problem, that he should not be obligated to pay the shop for the labor. It sounds like he made the deal on the assumption that the original rack was defective. But now as its becoming clear (to many of us) that the rack is not the issue, he should no longer be held to that deal as its unfair to them.

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Old 10-14-2012, 12:58 PM   #86
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when the revs are down or in neutral, it does it! perfect example...pulling into a parking spot from 10mph role (1st gear), throw it in neutral, and turn, and shutter time.
you aren't making enough pressure. maybe the new pump is dodgy? there's a blockage? etc etc. whatever the cause, lack of pressure is the symptom.
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Old 10-14-2012, 01:05 PM   #87
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Not sure what the issue is, but THIS POST alone is enough to ensure I will not be getting a Q rack, or recommending one in the future.
Have you ever driven a car with a Q-Rack? You might think differently if you have.

It's one of the best mods for a Subaru.
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Old 10-14-2012, 01:58 PM   #88
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on the very off chance, any possibility the center diff can be going out??

jas, i was at suby specialties this past week to have a major service done and i asked for you.. i was told the diff MIGHT be an issue given the age of our cars.. i'll give you a call later on today
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:17 PM   #89
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on the very off chance, any possibility the center diff can be going out??

jas, i was at suby specialties this past week to have a major service done and i asked for you.. i was told the diff MIGHT be an issue given the age of our cars.. i'll give you a call later on today
Brand new 6 speed. I appreciate you concern, as to all of you. I would LOVE to solve this problem, and even more, it would be the right thing to do if Q-Rack admitted what is going on here, owning up, taking responsibility to Yimi Sport. He literally LIED to then, and they aren't happy about it, as who would be.

I own a business myself, and I just don't understand the logic here.

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Old 10-14-2012, 04:23 PM   #90
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you aren't making enough pressure. maybe the new pump is dodgy? there's a blockage? etc etc. whatever the cause, lack of pressure is the symptom.
and how do you suggest I fix it, I have done everything shops have recommended, and what has been posted here.

I would really like this solved.
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Brand new 6 speed. I appreciate you concern, as to all of you. I would LOVE to solve this problem, and even more, it would be nice if Q-Rack admitted what is going on here with not owing up, taking responsibility to Yimi Sport. He literally LIED to then.

I own a business myself, and I just don't understand the logic here.
It's very simple, if the rack is not the problem, why would q-rack be obligated to pay anything? They wouldn't be. Prove it's the rack and you have a case, but if its not the rack I wouldn't pay either.
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Brand new 6 speed. I appreciate you concern, as to all of you. I would LOVE to solve this problem, and even more, it would be the right thing to do if Q-Rack admitted what is going on here, owning up, taking responsibility to Yimi Sport. He literally LIED to then, and they aren't happy about it, as who would be.

I own a business myself, and I just don't understand the logic here.
heya, just called ya but got your vm.. it's really hard to say when you have a brand spanking new 6speed tranny.. honestly, it may cost you a little more for an outside diagnosis on your issue, but i'd really suggest going to suby specialties.. idk how long you've been in la but they've been around for well over 30yrs and know our cars inside and out, VERY reputable.. i think it's about 75 for the diagnosis and they can let you know if it were a parts issue, fluid/pressure issue or whatever

they're in monrovia, 6263584235.. hope this helps
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It's very simple, if the rack is not the problem, why would q-rack be obligated to pay anything? They wouldn't be. Prove it's the rack and you have a case, but if its not the rack I wouldn't pay either.
There is no case. It's a breach of agreement.

You are not getting it!

They are obligated because they made a promise to me and Yimi after I had the car looked at by a Subaru specialists (where I had my 6 speed installed in CO. They agreed that they would pay for the install, the tie rods, and shipping back to Canada to take a look at the old rack to figure out what went wrong. You would have at least thought they would have wanted to see what the problem was in their 1st rack. Lousy way of handling a situation, and now, they can't even see what the REAL cause was.

Yimi would have never done the install without the consent of Tibor by phone.

They have broke their promise. Bad business!
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and how do you suggest I fix it, I have done everything shops have recommended, and what has been posted here.

I would really like this solved.
well i don't know what's causing it dude. i/we can only tell you what's happening. the bad steering is actually a symptom of a symptom. the first symptom is a lack of pressure, which is then causing the second one (the shudder at low RPM).

it's just a process of elimination. it's just a basic hydraulic pump. there's not that many things that you can swap and work it out. you can change the fluid - if not that move on. change the pump - if not that move on etc etc. more than one thing can cause a lack of pressure (bad pump, bad fluid, air stuck somewhere, a blockage somewhere, crimped line etc etc). you're just going to have to work your way through the possible causes until you work it out.
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^^ and I have done all of the above, and ALL shops say the rack itself is the issue.
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just out of curiosity as i'm on my oem rack.. if i were to contact qrack to get me a brand spanking new rebuilt rack, are they saying it's a direct drop in or does the pump need to swap out as well??
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I've never heard anyone say the pump needs to be swapped to a STI variant when installing a Q-Rack.
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just out of curiosity as i'm on my oem rack.. if i were to contact qrack to get me a brand spanking new rebuilt rack, are they saying it's a direct drop in or does the pump need to swap out as well??

direct drop, I installed a cooler just to make sure it does not overheat.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:53 PM   #99
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There is no case. It's a breach of agreement.

You are not getting it!

They are obligated because they made a promise to me and Yimi after I had the car looked at by a Subaru specialists (where I had my 6 speed installed in CO. They agreed that they would pay for the install, the tie rods, and shipping back to Canada to take a look at the old rack to figure out what went wrong. You would have at least thought they would have wanted to see what the problem was in their 1st rack. Lousy way of handling a situation, and now, they can't even see what the REAL cause was.

Yimi would have never done the install without the consent of Tibor by phone.

They have broke their promise. Bad business!
What you are failing to understand is that your"agreement" was based on the understanding that your rack was broken. Now that you have a 2nd rack and the same issue, it has become obvious that the rack is not the problem. If the rack is not the problem, they are no longer required to pay for labor. Why would they pay for your labor if there is nothing wrong with the rack they sent you? You are being very unfair and unrealistic if you expect a shop to pay for another shops failure to install something.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:55 PM   #100
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direct drop, I installed a cooler just to make sure it does not overheat.
Maybe the cooler is the issue. You need to remove it before it can be ruled out.
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