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Old 10-16-2012, 11:23 PM   #1
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I'm looking to buy some Rods for my 2.5 build. I'm having trouble deciding between these 3. Manley, Eagle, or BC? Whats your choice and why?

Looking into buying H beams. Looking for 500 wheel give or take on E85 with supporting mods. Just want some rods that will be able to take the beating.

I already am set up with pistons. Going to go with CP.

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Old 10-16-2012, 11:49 PM   #2
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no one complains about manley i beams being weak. Maybe heavy though.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:21 AM   #3
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all 3 of those h beams come from the same foundry in china and then finished over here and the manleys seem to be the better finished ones of the 3,but they are all rated about the same and a few people have had them snap at around 500 at the wheels.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:18 AM   #4
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BC I beams. Will hamdle 500whp easy, made in California, and won't break the bank. They are more expensive than the h beams you were looking at though.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:54 AM   #5
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i have manley h beams at 400whp...plan on hitting 450whp. i have been warned that i should have paid almost double for I beams but i rolled the dice. i bet most failures are tune related or improper assembly/ballance..
theres some hacks out there slappin engines together with plasti gauges and everyones a tuner.
manley told me the h beams for the subaru are rated to 600hp. dont know why it isnt rated in TQ.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:08 AM   #6
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I would prefer to have something from 3MI or Cosworth/Carillo. If you want to save a couple hundred I guess put the names in a hat and pick one.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:34 AM   #7
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I would prefer to have something from 3MI or Cosworth/Carillo. If you want to save a couple hundred I guess put the names in a hat and pick one.
I am going to also say 3MI or the rods that Dom @ Maxwell Power in Seattle gets.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:38 AM   #8
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I have plenty of customers making 500whp on Manley H beams. Anything more than that go with an I beam for more head room.

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Old 10-17-2012, 10:11 AM   #9
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I'd like to get a dollar for each time misinformation is shared on offshore rods.

Unless is a Carrillo or Crower there's a REAL good chance it's over the pond.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:24 PM   #10
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^^^EXACTLY,now I like to use pauters and don't mind them being a little heavier.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:13 PM   #11
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So pay the few hundred more and go with some I beams? Carillo, Cosworth, Pauters? Lol
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:50 PM   #12
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I use Manley T.T, and H beams mainly, Pauters for my high hp builds, and recently started using the BC h beams with the custom age +625's

I'm digging Brian Crower conrods, they're stout and with the upgraded rod bolts you can't go wrong and the price is on point!
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:57 PM   #13
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I have used Eagle rods before and they always held up nicely for me, but they were in N/A engines. My WRX buddies use Manley Turbo tough rods and they seem to like them alot. I will be using Manley when i build my EJ205.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:11 PM   #14
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I'd like to get a dollar for each time misinformation is shared on offshore rods.

Unless is a Carrillo or Crower there's a REAL good chance it's over the pond.
Who gave any misinformation in this thread to mention this?
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:19 PM   #15
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i have manley h beams at 400whp...plan on hitting 450whp. i have been warned that i should have paid almost double for I beams but i rolled the dice. i bet most failures are tune related or improper assembly/ballance..
theres some hacks out there slappin engines together with plasti gauges and everyones a tuner.
manley told me the h beams for the subaru are rated to 600hp. dont know why it isnt rated in TQ.
Hard to rate them in Hp or torque really. Rods fail either from compression or tension or a combination. So it comes down to mostly rpm causing tension which is easier to put a limit on although it still varies based on rotating assembly weights. Or it fails from compression which is the more difficult one because it varies depending on setup even for a given hp or torque.
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:44 PM   #16
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Hard to rate them in Hp or torque really. Rods fail either from compression or tension or a combination. So it comes down to mostly rpm causing tension which is easier to put a limit on although it still varies based on rotating assembly weights. Or it fails from compression which is the more difficult one because it varies depending on setup even for a given hp or torque.
Can you be any more vague?
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:48 PM   #17
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:57 PM   #18
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I always like to buy parts that are better then my power goals. It's a bit more but its a piece of mind I suppose.

For reference I got Manley Turbo Tuff I Beams.

Also its very easy to crank up the boost and go faster, so why not have a build that can support it!
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:16 PM   #19
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Its just hard for some folks to understand that. I was discussing this same general thought with a work mate and we pretty much agreed that some people just cant fathom spending more on quality stuff and in the end its actually cheaper than doing stuff twice.
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Can you be any more vague?
Except he's right. If you want exacts, you have to give exacts. That is why the industry tries it's best to relate via a power rating.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:49 AM   #21
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manley Hbeams are rated to 600.. I just picked a set up for my build.. Manley 100mm pistons too! Its unfortunate that the engine block isnt transparent because these babies are frkn beautiful if you ask me.. haha.. Im only lookin for 350-400 with supporting mods for my DD.. cant frkn wait!
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Can you be any more vague?
LOL. I guess you missed the point. When you roll the dice experimenting with a cheaper rod running near it's "rating" then you run the risk of having it fail. They are "rated" at 600 hp, but really that's a guesstimate because hp isn't what causes the rod to fail.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:10 PM   #23
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Except he's right. If you want exacts, you have to give exacts. That is why the industry tries it's best to relate via a power rating.
Exactly, it's not like you can enter "hp" in FEA lol.
It's cool that the industry makes an effort to give an accurate rating but it's irritating that people expect to be able to take the cheapest rod they can find and run it to 8500 with the heaviest piston and make 550whp daily because it's rated at 600 crank hp.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:29 PM   #24
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what if it was the choice, (as it is/was for me)

-A) getting the group buy +2 long rods and custom pistons to come out to 2.5L from maxwell of aboothman for 1450

-B) getting some manley/je/cp pistons and manley/eagle or whoever rods, good cost on those would be 350-500 pistons and like 3-350 for the rods, 600 for the manley i beams

so for the price difference being at least double for basic shelf stuff and 400+ for the difference if you choose the i-beams

I had to do what I had to do, but of course still wanted the other option if money was no object
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:04 PM   #25
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I would prefer to have something from 3MI or Cosworth/Carillo. If you want to save a couple hundred I guess put the names in a hat and pick one.
+1 on the cosworth rods. Pauter as well.
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