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Old 10-15-2012, 05:23 PM   #1
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Default Merchants/ntb tire gave me the low down for winter tires in mideast region!!

the low down was in fact that it is "absurd to get winter tires for the winter season in Northern virginia/DE/NJ/MD." he went on to say why would you get winters when it avg. 29 to 40 in the winter season and maybe has a big snowfall twice a year if that?

and I went in to order the tires from tirerack to get sent to them and have them instal the tires for 16$ and he question my thought process i spent so long to figure out and what he said kind of made sense. All my driving carrer I have had all seasons so why go and get winter tires?

why is this so confusing, i hate shopping around for things that is opinionated. i go through the same thing everytime i want to try a new workout supplement. aye dios mios
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:02 PM   #2
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Do you have all seasons on now? I know the Dunlops that came on my '09 said on the side wall not to operate them in temperatures below 40 degrees. Winter and all season tires' have rubber compounds that can withstand the colder temperatures and still remain pliable (grippy). Whereas your summer tire will basically freeze (not really, but you get the idea) and you'll be driving on ice skates without the nice little teeth on the front to stop you. Bottom line, if you have mild winters you will likely be fine with all seasons.
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:21 PM   #3
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I have the standard summers now. was going to get the bliz everyone gets and go through this ordeal of getting hub caps. but he basically said that was stupid because of the reasons stated above and that it would be cheaper. he told me, "if i want to buy new things, get all seasons and then get fresh rim and summer tire to have fun with in the summer seasons."

he said winter tires are extremely fun in the winter but can get loud and have less grip when it is not snowing. then he asked if I would be traveling to up state NY or anything and I said no. and he said, yes winters in his mid east reassuring accent.
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:43 PM   #4
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If you plan on getting a second set of wheels/tires anyway, then I'd go with a studless snow tire. I've been running Toyo Garit Observe KX for 4 winters (2 harsh & 2 mild) now and have never had issues on dry pavement or in the snow/ice for that matter. My summer tires are on '04 STI BBS (no TPMS) and my winters on the stock wheels (w/TPMS). A tool built for a specific task will nearly always outperform one built for multiple. My vote is for winters over all seasons, but good luck with your decision either way.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:20 PM   #5
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so you got them 215/17? for your toyo?
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:20 PM   #6
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The below based on the Mid-A region only ----

Absurd is a little strong, but some people think it's absurd to have summer only tires. It goes both ways. If your car is a daily driver and you are going to have two sets of wheels and tires than it just makes sense (to me any way) to have one set of summer and one set of winter / snow tires. I just can't see having a 2nd set with all season tires.

Not all snow tires are the same. Just like some all seasons do better in the snow that others. Some winter tires are more aggressive than others. You can find winter / snow tires that have good road manners and are not too loud.

I have 4 cars and run all season tires on 3 of the 4. I see no need for winter / snow tires. If it's bad enough out that I would need snow tires I just stay home. In MD, DC, VA area that may be 1 to 3 days a year. The 4th car has summer tires 365 and is not driven in the snow or temps below 40.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:34 PM   #7
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so you got them 215/17? for your toyo?
No, I'm running 225/45/17 on the stock 17x7 wheel.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:57 AM   #8
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I recommend winter tires in our area because we get a lot of icy slush, and that is atrocious with most A/S tires. can you get away with all-seasons? sure, but they have "performance winter" tires that handle decently in the dry, and will be better than A/S in the ice. if you drive at night in the winters here, a lot of melt is re-frozen on the lesser-traveled roads.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:02 AM   #9
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sounds to me like he is a little uninformed
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"It's a fact: as temperatures drop below 45 °, so does an all-season tire's ability to grip the road. And that can lead to dangerous driving conditions," said Jay Spears, technical product manager, Continental Tire. "Since all-season and winter tires are about as similar as sandals and snowshoes, we've launched this program to encourage our customers to stay safer in winter by switching to winter tires.

"Summer tires just aren't built to hold the road in the same way that winter tires do," Spears continued. "During winter, drivers experience a dramatic drop in grip, meaning longer stopping distances, less driving control and by far, less safety."

Winter tires are uniquely designed to deliver safety and control in snow, ice, and cold weather conditions, because they are specially engineered to deliver a substantial increase of traction over all-season radials - by as much as a 25 to 50 percent. That's enough gripping traction and braking power to avert a severe weather-related accident.

It's also important to install winter/snow tires on all wheel positions for optimal control. Failure to follow this recommendation could result in severe and dangerous handling conditions, he added.

Winter tires are engineered with pliable tread compounds and tread designs that remain soft and flexible in even the coldest temperatures, increasing the contact area and providing better grip on wet or icy roads. Tread design features include more supple compounds, deeper tread grooves and smaller shoulder grooves.

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Old 10-16-2012, 05:42 PM   #10
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If you have a set of summers....

Why are you even thinking about all seasons at all? Both tires will see the same amount of driving and the same weather conditions.... But one will perform far better than the other.
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I agree that winter tires are absurd in the Middle East.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:28 AM   #12
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I agree that winter tires are absurd in the Middle East.
I disagree. Winter tires work much better, especially when aired down a bit, in deep sand.




OP: you have summer tires, so why would you buy almost-summer-tires rather than winter tires?

Don't buy blizzaks, that would be stupid, but performance winter tires of some kind make sense...
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:32 AM   #13
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There are Blizzaks that are performance winters too. Look for LM model.
I suspect that Middle East Atlantic may benefit from good wet performing winter performance tire but wet is not the element where any winter tires excel. All season may be the right tire.

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PS Blizzak WS suck in dry and wet and shine on ice and snow. They also wear quickly on warm surface. Just like other studless winter tires.
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