Second Creek with the Alfa club yesterday

Diz · 09-09-2002, 01:35 PM

Gang -

It's time for me to be a disruptive influence.

I was at a Second Creek track event yesterday with the Alfa club. I was quite impressed with the club organization, solidarity and general friendliness.

We need to kick it up a notch.

My suggestion is that we use the SPCR as the vehicle to do this. I propose that we examine what it would take to become a sub-chapter of larger club like the BMW/Alfa/Mercedes/Porshe group.

Keep in mind that this suggestion is a starting point. Positive input is welcome. However, if the response is going to be something negative, don't bother. Also, I'm looking to the more seasoned members of the group to share knowledge & experience. I know you're out there. I'm willing to dedicate time & effort to this. Let's get our act together.

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COwannago · 09-09-2002, 01:40 PM

That would be excellent! I'm sure that Tangmere and rupertburr amongst others would be knowledgeable in such things.

Nick C.
Paul, so did you take your car out and flog it?

Diz · 09-09-2002, 03:14 PM

Unfortunately, I didn't get to flog it. It was an 'Alfa only' day. Nobody would lend me and Alfa badge to stick over my Pleides cluster.

I did get to run some hot laps in a well sorted GTV, though.

Actually, there were two exceptions to the alfa only rule. Ferrari of Denver showed up with an F40 & an new Modena. I guess Ferrari gets what Ferrari wants.

phast · 09-09-2002, 05:08 PM

I kinda doubt the Alfa guys were so pissed that they wouldn't let an F40 run amongst them. I wouldn't be complaining.

BTW, whats the SPCR?

Diz · 09-09-2002, 06:08 PM

SPCR is the Subaru Performance Club of the Rockies.

I haven't seen much action over there. We fought pretty hard for a RMIC forum here, so I think most of the action shifted over when the RMIC went active.

alfaguy · 09-10-2002, 01:34 AM

No, some of us were pissed that the 2 Ferraris were running!

They needed a lesson in track manners, as I saw the yellow Modena being quite agressive in the "Slow Lap" session that was full of novices. That doesn't fly, even if you're in a Ferrari. Also, Second Creek is such a tight track - a car like that F40 barely had a chance to open it all the way up on the straights.

I was running my Alfa Romeo Milano in the time trials. It was a fun, technical track. I wouldn't have minded taking the WRX for some laps - i.e. touring at lunch, etc. Maybe next year.

It was great to meeting Diz at the event and talking about some of the interesting parallels between Alfas and Subarus. I would have loved to see his car in action. I agree that we should do something to get us some track time!

I've worked as a volunteer and/or driven at a lot of track days, I'll help out in any way I can!

CECA (Colorado Exotic Car Association) is another organization we could possibly hook up with for some track time. They have events at every Colorado track through out the summer months.

Diz · 09-10-2002, 09:47 AM

Jon -

I was great to meet you. Yep, there are some strong similarities between Alfa & Scooby crowds. Check your email, too. I have a coupla questions for ya.

PS - Yep, I was on the track with my friend (Dale Hartzel) in his GTV when we were running those 'slow'

laps.

imprezawrxsti.com · 09-10-2002, 09:18 PM

I think tangmere was working on something. I of course am big time into a Subbie Day at Second Creek where I can show some of you WRX drivers what's up!!

(JUST KIDDING, sort of)

I am also willing to help in anyway that I can...

JJ

Diz · 09-11-2002, 09:06 AM

Thanks, JJ. It's good to see that you're still alive out there...

PS - Hey, my WRX is my FOURTH Subaru. I was once part of the 'cool' crowd.

Strepto · 09-11-2002, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diz
I was once part of the 'cool' crowd.

You were never cool; quit lying to yourself

alfaguy · 09-12-2002, 02:04 AM

Please excuse my ignorance, but what type of legal entity is the SPCR?

I am running through what we would need to put on a track day, and the major hurdle I see is a sanctioning body with a substantial insurance policy. This is required before a group would be allowed to rent a track.

The other stuff - lining up instructors, getting communications and/or timing and scoring, technical inspection, etc. would probably be manageable with a concerted effort from the club.

Joe

Diz · 09-12-2002, 09:53 AM

Joe -

I'm not too sure. If we can't use the SPCR as it sits, maybe a new organization is in order. Would it be possible for us to speak to the officers of the Alfa club & pick their brains? I'm sure they could steer (bad pun) us in the right direction.

-p

Strepto · 09-12-2002, 10:37 AM

SPCR used to be what RMIC is now. Just a place to chat and get in touch with everyone. To make it a real club with insurance and all we'd have to start charging dues and we'd need a lawyer in there somehere to get everything lined up. I think we're better off trying to become a sub-chapter of one of the clubs that already has everything set up.

Diz · 09-12-2002, 11:29 AM

Yep. I agree with you, Ro. That's why I was hoping to talk to some of the Alfa folks.

Tangmere · 09-12-2002, 11:33 AM

Why don't you first see what interest there is for track days? If everyone is just wants to go just once or so, then imho, I don't think its worth the hassle of all the extra work getting tied in with another club.

From what I understand, track insurance does not cover your car, it covers you if you don't have a primary insurer and it also covers the track. Then there's the added cost of an ambulance (I'm pretty sure that's required)

For what its worth, Rupert and I are working on a track day for us in late October.

Mark

alfaguy · 09-12-2002, 12:10 PM

I'm sure any of the officers of the Alfa Club wouldn't mind discussing how they are set up. Their next event is the end of the Colorado Grand rally in Vail on Saturday the 14th (huge car show and watch the historic road rally cars finish). If you show up find me, or talk to Bob (Self) or Curtis (Mannisto).

In a nutshell, here it is relating to track events: Each local chapter is a member of the national club, which has a general liability policy. When a local chapter wants to hold any driving event, they pay an added premium for liability coverage for that event. The track usually dictates how much insurance you need to use their facilities. An ambulance would also be the decision of the track - there wasn't one at Second Creek last weekend so I would assume they don't require one.

As I said before, CECA may be a good option for Subie folk to run with. They have a track day at Second Creek on Sept. 28 - open to anyone. For more information, see:

http://www.fcarmr.com/DenverOpenTrac...sed2-19-02.pdf

Diz · 09-13-2002, 09:29 AM

Cool. Thanks for the link.

09-09-2002, 01:35 PM	#1
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	Second Creek with the Alfa club yesterday Gang - It's time for me to be a disruptive influence. I was at a Second Creek track event yesterday with the Alfa club. I was quite impressed with the club organization, solidarity and general friendliness. We need to kick it up a notch. My suggestion is that we use the SPCR as the vehicle to do this. I propose that we examine what it would take to become a sub-chapter of larger club like the BMW/Alfa/Mercedes/Porshe group. Keep in mind that this suggestion is a starting point. Positive input is welcome. However, if the response is going to be something negative, don't bother. Also, I'm looking to the more seasoned members of the group to share knowledge & experience. I know you're out there. I'm willing to dedicate time & effort to this. Let's get our act together. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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09-09-2002, 01:40 PM	#2
COwannago Scooby Specialist Member#: 6972 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Aurora, Colorado	That would be excellent! I'm sure that Tangmere and rupertburr amongst others would be knowledgeable in such things. Nick C. Paul, so did you take your car out and flog it?

09-09-2002, 03:14 PM	#3
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	Unfortunately, I didn't get to flog it. It was an 'Alfa only' day. Nobody would lend me and Alfa badge to stick over my Pleides cluster. I did get to run some hot laps in a well sorted GTV, though. Actually, there were two exceptions to the alfa only rule. Ferrari of Denver showed up with an F40 & an new Modena. I guess Ferrari gets what Ferrari wants.

09-09-2002, 05:08 PM	#4
phast Scooby Specialist Member#: 7957 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Colorado Springs, CO	I kinda doubt the Alfa guys were so pissed that they wouldn't let an F40 run amongst them. I wouldn't be complaining. BTW, whats the SPCR?

09-09-2002, 06:08 PM	#5
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	SPCR is the Subaru Performance Club of the Rockies. I haven't seen much action over there. We fought pretty hard for a RMIC forum here, so I think most of the action shifted over when the RMIC went active.

09-10-2002, 09:47 AM	#7
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	Jon - I was great to meet you. Yep, there are some strong similarities between Alfa & Scooby crowds. Check your email, too. I have a coupla questions for ya. PS - Yep, I was on the track with my friend (Dale Hartzel) in his GTV when we were running those 'slow' laps.

09-10-2002, 09:18 PM	#8
imprezawrxsti.com Scooby Newbie Member#: 9581 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Colorado Vehicle: 2004 STi Blue/Gold 00 Impreza RS, BRP	I think tangmere was working on something. I of course am big time into a Subbie Day at Second Creek where I can show some of you WRX drivers what's up!! (JUST KIDDING, sort of) I am also willing to help in anyway that I can... JJ

09-11-2002, 09:06 AM	#9
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	Thanks, JJ. It's good to see that you're still alive out there... PS - Hey, my WRX is my FOURTH Subaru. I was once part of the 'cool' crowd.

09-12-2002, 02:04 AM	#11
alfaguy Scooby Newbie Member#: 14238 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lafayette, CO Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon - PSM Alfas: 89 Milano \| 72 GTV	Please excuse my ignorance, but what type of legal entity is the SPCR? I am running through what we would need to put on a track day, and the major hurdle I see is a sanctioning body with a substantial insurance policy. This is required before a group would be allowed to rent a track. The other stuff - lining up instructors, getting communications and/or timing and scoring, technical inspection, etc. would probably be manageable with a concerted effort from the club. Joe

09-12-2002, 09:53 AM	#12
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	Joe - I'm not too sure. If we can't use the SPCR as it sits, maybe a new organization is in order. Would it be possible for us to speak to the officers of the Alfa club & pick their brains? I'm sure they could steer (bad pun) us in the right direction. -p

09-12-2002, 10:37 AM	#13
Strepto Scooby Specialist Member#: 252 Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: San Antonio, TX Vehicle: 2001 Arctic White Camaro SS #1800	SPCR used to be what RMIC is now. Just a place to chat and get in touch with everyone. To make it a real club with insurance and all we'd have to start charging dues and we'd need a lawyer in there somehere to get everything lined up. I think we're better off trying to become a sub-chapter of one of the clubs that already has everything set up.

09-12-2002, 11:29 AM	#14
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	Yep. I agree with you, Ro. That's why I was hoping to talk to some of the Alfa folks.

09-12-2002, 11:33 AM	#15
Tangmere Scooby Specialist Member#: 572 Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Boulder, Colorado	Why don't you first see what interest there is for track days? If everyone is just wants to go just once or so, then imho, I don't think its worth the hassle of all the extra work getting tied in with another club. From what I understand, track insurance does not cover your car, it covers you if you don't have a primary insurer and it also covers the track. Then there's the added cost of an ambulance (I'm pretty sure that's required) For what its worth, Rupert and I are working on a track day for us in late October. Mark

09-12-2002, 12:10 PM	#16
alfaguy Scooby Newbie Member#: 14238 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lafayette, CO Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon - PSM Alfas: 89 Milano \| 72 GTV	I'm sure any of the officers of the Alfa Club wouldn't mind discussing how they are set up. Their next event is the end of the Colorado Grand rally in Vail on Saturday the 14th (huge car show and watch the historic road rally cars finish). If you show up find me, or talk to Bob (Self) or Curtis (Mannisto). In a nutshell, here it is relating to track events: Each local chapter is a member of the national club, which has a general liability policy. When a local chapter wants to hold any driving event, they pay an added premium for liability coverage for that event. The track usually dictates how much insurance you need to use their facilities. An ambulance would also be the decision of the track - there wasn't one at Second Creek last weekend so I would assume they don't require one. As I said before, CECA may be a good option for Subie folk to run with. They have a track day at Second Creek on Sept. 28 - open to anyone. For more information, see: http://www.fcarmr.com/DenverOpenTrac...sed2-19-02.pdf

09-13-2002, 09:29 AM	#17
Diz Scooby Specialist Member#: 874 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Mountains Vehicle: 2003 Honda S2000 2004 Mazdaspeed MX-5	Cool. Thanks for the link.