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Old 10-23-2012, 08:34 PM   #51
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Jive, just curious how you feel about the switch from the sti to the brz. I currently have a stage 1 ish 11 wrx, And have been looking at a brz. I'm sort of addicted to the torque that the turbo brings so I am thinking the brz might not be enough power.
Sorry to butt in, but I can give some insight as well. I went from a 2010 STi (mostly stock) and while I miss the power at times, the first few turns made me forget about it. And it was hard to use the STi's power without getting into trouble. It felt like a waste.

You can always add power, but you can't give an STi the BRZ's chassis.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:21 AM   #52
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Sorry to butt in, but I can give some insight as well. I went from a 2010 STi (mostly stock) and while I miss the power at times, the first few turns made me forget about it. And it was hard to use the STi's power without getting into trouble. It felt like a waste.

You can always add power, but you can't give an STi the BRZ's chassis.
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Jive, just curious how you feel about the switch from the sti to the brz. I currently have a stage 1 ish 11 wrx, And have been looking at a brz. I'm sort of addicted to the torque that the turbo brings so I am thinking the brz might not be enough power.
it depends what you want out of a car. if all you want is straight line go then brz is the wrong car for you, hell even the wrx is 'okay' for that.

call me weird but i'm having more fun in teh brz on the street than i could ever in my sti. to push the sti on the street you really have to be going for it. and to do that on a road with other people and variables is just not something i'm necessarily into. once you unleash the car on an auto-x or road course you will see that you simply cannot push the car on the street like that without being completely reckeless. so essentially the sti was a blast. the car was more than anyhitng i could ever have asked for but to DD it i would never really push the car.

the brz on hte other hand i'm using more of the car more of the time. is it slow in a straight line, yes. do i care, hell no. once you drive it and feel it you'll fall in love. its honestly so much more of a 'drivers' car for lack of a better word. the handling is much better than hte sti off the bat. no pig like under steer, and its feels so nimble. yes it has 200 hp but i'm using all of it and having a blast doing it vs never really touching all of my hp that i put into the sti.

at the end its just what your priorities are. i love that rush of acceleration dont get me wrong, but what i love more is cornering and just driving and i honestly enjoy the **** out of the brz on a daily basis vs the sti. which isn't to say that i dont plan on going back to an sit, its just that the sti is in a different league of cars.

and like stated above, power can always be added. lightweight chasis and great rwd platform isn't something you can mod to get to.

its been 800 miles in the brz in about 6 days and i honestly can't get enough. this car with a proper suspension setup and better tires will be one of hte most fun cars to drive. period. and thats my honest opinion.

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I had a "Stage 2" 2011 WRX sedan. I will admit that I miss some of the pull and confidence that the WRX could bring. However, the BRZ IS quick and it drives very predictably. Honestly, if you can sacrifice the room and handling is your thing and you want to be able to make your car "turn" a corner at low speeds, the BRZ is all win.

If you're stoplight racing pretty much ANY car and you like doing that, you will miss the WRX, trust me. The BRZ is a discipline, though. It's kind of nice knowing that you can't "beat" some other cars. You know that you're enjoying something more. You can't put a price on that. I hate/love that it looks fast, because it's not fast. It's just quick. Yet, quick is enough for most of us when all is said and done.
people forget that its about power/weight. they see 200hp and think oh god so slow but it really has so much more going for it. i hate to bring it up but i know a few NA build motor civics that will leave my or any fully bolted on sti for dead with a measely 250whp. thats because the power to weight is unreal. just look at a lotus, they put up tiny numbers but are light and make up for it cornering. this is the same principle. i've also i think at this point in my life outgrown numbers. idgaf what your car put down, if you can't drive it it is irrelevant.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:09 AM   #53
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I've had my ass handed to me by a very stock-looking Civic when I had my STI. It was unreal. Dude whooped up on everyone. Just had an excellent power-to-weight that my STI couldn't touch once we got going.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:30 AM   #54
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I loved stoplight racing my WRX. I love driving my BRZ more.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:08 AM   #55
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I hate/love that it looks fast, because it's not fast. It's just quick. Yet, quick is enough for most of us when all is said and done.
lol its the new celica!
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #56
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lol its the new celica!
That car never looked fast and almost all were rice rockets that were fwd. i hate celicas. Capitol H A T E
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:00 AM   #57
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they started off RWD and branched off into supras in the mid 80s..also don't forget the AWD turbo GT4/All-Tracs at a time when subaru was making terrible farm equipement type cars

I was refering mostly to this ad campaign though

seriously though, that car drive's like a RWD version of 7th gen celica gt-s with more torque. the specs and performance are pretty similar too. They probably would have called it a celica but didn't want the stigma associated with it as evidenced by your remarks..lol
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:53 AM   #58
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I love that ad campaign! "Slow DOWN! This is a neighborhood!"
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:34 PM   #59
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lol one time I hit lift in my celica in a computer simulated neighborhood and an old man yelled at me so my friend leaned out the window and yelled "it just looks fast"
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:56 PM   #60
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i loved those commercials but yeah we never got the good celica's in the states, or any other brand nice cars
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:18 PM   #61
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The 7th gen GT-S was underrated..lol. 2500lbs, 8350 rpm redline, very balanced handling for FWD, great steering, brakes, sporty seating position and good mpg. It just got a rep for being a girl's car for some reason...probably because we got such ****ty versions of the 6th gen celicas when the rest of the world got the SS-II 3SGE version with 200hp and the GT4 with 260hp and AWD.

My bro used to have a 1990 alltrac with a 6th gen drivetrain swap. There were aspects of that car that I liked better than my WRX..lol. He might be buying it back too.

Sorry back to BEEARRZED talk. I would already own one if I lived in a place with a milder winter..lol

powdercoat those wrx wheels neon green ftw
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:30 PM   #62
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The 7th gen GT-S was underrated..lol. 2500lbs, 8350 rpm redline, very balanced handling for FWD, great steering, brakes, sporty seating position and good mpg. It just got a rep for being a girl's car for some reason...probably because we got such ****ty versions of the 6th gen celicas when the rest of the world got the SS-II 3SGE version with 200hp and the GT4 with 260hp and AWD.

My bro used to have a 1990 alltrac with a 6th gen drivetrain swap. There were aspects of that car that I liked better than my WRX..lol. He might be buying it back too.

Sorry back to BEEARRZED talk. I would already own one if I lived in a place with a milder winter..lol

powdercoat those wrx wheels neon green ftw
we dont have to stay on topic, its my thread, who gives ****

you dont live in northern canada, get snows and you'll be fine *****

NO i HATE how the wrx wheels look on this car. these are my buddy's and i'm thankful for him letting me run them until i have time to mount my snows but i hate how they look, and i absolutely HATE white colored wheels on this car in this color.
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Jive, since those wheels will NEVER be seen on that car again, can you PLEASE take up the challenge by taking pictures of your car with those wheels mounted? PLLLEEEEEASSSE???

Also your input about cameras in my thread would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Jive, since those wheels will NEVER be seen on that car again, can you PLEASE take up the challenge by taking pictures of your car with those wheels mounted? PLLLEEEEEASSSE???

Also your input about cameras in my thread would be appreciated. Thanks!
let me finish my tails, and get the headlights baked and i'll post up good shots with these hideous things

give me a week?
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i tried RWD with snows..it works but hills are an issue and you just feel uneasy all the time..lol
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let me finish my tails, and get the headlights baked and i'll post up good shots with these hideous things

give me a week?
Take all the time you need. It's just a request. It's unique and will never be done again.

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i tried RWD with snows..it works but hills are an issue and you just feel uneasy all the time..lol
Traction control takes care of all of that. No worries. Be happy. Things have changed since the 70's, sir.
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lol no it doesn't it keeps you from wildly fishtailing but it doesn't magically produce hill climbing traction

my G35 couldn't go up my old driveway with blizzacks. It wasn't terrible to drive but it was certainly not fun like the WRX in snow. idk maybe with like 195 blizzacks like we have on our civic.

RWD is great but you need a place to actually use it.
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If there's ice then even AWD won't save you on a steep enough hill. With RWD I just avoid STOPPING on a steep incline by not going that route. If Alaska has alternating routing for being The Last Frontier then surely roads on the East Coast have multiple routing capabilities. That's all I'm trying to say! I really don't see how having RWD is a problem. People have been doing it since cars have been invented, practically. Today's technology makes them even EASIER to drive around.

AWD isn't magical, it's just reliable. I'm a planner anyways, so I avoid routes that might give me trouble. Lack of AWD just means I won't be volunteering my car's services quite as often as before, but that's fine. More gas for me.
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oh I know, awd isn't going to save you in a situation that involves stopping unless you can pull off some crazy controlled drift, but its just easier to move about. I can ram my way out of the driveway if I don't feel like shoveling. It just a tool to make bad weather driving easier. Also I'd be giving up the passenger space, hatchback versatility, 100+ lb ft of torque etc.

I am talking about climbing hills btw. My old driveway was just a little hill, the civic went right up it like nothing, the G took 10 or 15 tries launching it from across the street for momentum

when I bought the WRX the dealer had to send a guy to drive my G to a NYS DMV from mass and it got stuck in a little bit of snow in a gas station parking lot that the wrx didn't even notice with its summer tires. Just makes things easier. The other problem I found with the G was that there was really never an appropriate place to hang the tail out on the road which limits the fun of rwd to just feeling a bit better when cornering and coming off the line better than FWD if I want to go around drag launching my car in the street. Granted the BRZ is different than the G...its a much more carefree feeling tossable platform but when im just burbling around on straight roads its just going to be a smaller place to sit.
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oh I know, awd isn't going to save you in a situation that involves stopping unless you can pull off some crazy controlled drift, but its just easier to move about. I can ram my way out of the driveway if I don't feel like shoveling. It just a tool to make bad weather driving easier. Also I'd be giving up the passenger space, hatchback versatility, 100+ lb ft of torque etc.

I am talking about climbing hills btw. My old driveway was just a little hill, the civic went right up it like nothing, the G took 10 or 15 tries launching it from across the street for momentum

when I bought the WRX the dealer had to send a guy to drive my G to a NYS DMV from mass and it got stuck in a little bit of snow in a gas station parking lot that the wrx didn't even notice with its summer tires. Just makes things easier. The other problem I found with the G was that there was really never an appropriate place to hang the tail out on the road which limits the fun of rwd to just feeling a bit better when cornering and coming off the line better than FWD if I want to go around drag launching my car in the street. Granted the BRZ is different than the G...its a much more carefree feeling tossable platform but when im just burbling around on straight roads its just going to be a smaller place to sit.
Only two wheel drive vehicle I've owned besides the BRZ was a 92 legacy sedan. Only had problems one winter when I decided to forego snow tires and I landed myself in a ditch. But I don't blame the car.. It was my fault for going 75 mph in a 45 on curvy icy roads >_>

Once I got snow tires I was able to plow through a 3ft snow storm no problem.

Personally I think it doesn't matter a whole lot whether you have AWD.. Winter driving is a lot like autocross - TIRES and THE DRIVER matter the most.
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its just easier to get unstuck and climb hills

I don't think its as much safer as subaru would like you to believe...although it could be safer in an emergency maneuver
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AWD definitely helps in low traction situations, regardless of tires and driver. I used to ice race quite a bit and drove all sorts of vehicles. RWD was the hardest to really control even with Hakka snow tires. With AWD you had enough overall traction to start moving in a straight line when you got pointed in the right direction, FWD wasn't much worse, RWD was an exercise in frustration.
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Still not sure why we're having this conversation. Having owned 4 AWD Subaru's previously, I completely understand it's effectiveness and I'm all for it. I was just poking at Celery because he be scurred of RWD. I know he was specifically mentioning climbing hills and the constant feeling of uneasiness. However, with today's tech I really don't see it as THAT big of a deal. Plenty of RWD cars get around just fine, even with hills. AWD cars can struggle up hills, too. I just think it's a shame to miss out on something like the FR-S or BRZ because of snow or inability to negotiate a hill. Once he listed other reasons for not getting a BRZ, like the desire to have ANY practicality, then I totally agreed.

Of course, I also don't consider the G35 to be a real car, but that's just me, probably.
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Thanks for the input from everyone, I think I just need to test drive a brz or fr-s and see how I like it.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:35 PM   #75
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Of course, I also don't consider the G35 to be a real car, but that's just me, probably.
lol what the hell does that mean?

2wd cars are just boring in winter if nothing else..lol
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