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Old 10-18-2012, 09:40 PM   #26
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I paid 27K for my limited. I didnt plan on the tranny ****ting the bed because of hitting a pot hole while on the gas. I figured since its broke why throw the same weak crap back in it. I don't like the idea of putting gears into it that are going to be loud and I would still have the same weak front diff that broke to begin with. Any sugestions would be greatfully appreciated. And there were no STi's available with a moonroof in my area.
You do realize this swap requires EVERYTHING, right? Shift linkage, slave cylinder, clutch fork, new clutch, newflywheel, new rear diff, new rear axles, new driveline, etc.?

I'm just giving honest advice based on the math and that logic tree points to trading it in on an STi if you want the reliability of the 6MT in a brand newish car. Unless you've decided you love your WRX to death and no longer care about financial logic when modding the car (been there -- the 2004 WRX in my profile is a $60k car that's worth $8k KBB).

I can tell you in utter detail what the swap will take -- I've done it. Trust me, once you've swiped your card for everything, you'll likely wish you had just upgraded to the car that had the stuff you wanted in the first place.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:46 PM   #27
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Or he can take the STI axle apart and the WRX axle apart and assemble a hybrid axle with an STI inner spline and anWRX outer spline?

This is how it is often done with other brands, and I recall hearing something about this with the GD's.

Are you familiar with this method, or are you more of a "if it doesn't bolt right up its over my head" type of person? Because that's the feel I'm getting from you.
Nope, he sure can't! You can look into "Suberdave" inner CV adapter parts which mates part of the R180 outer to the WRX CV and bar, and even if they will work on GR stuff (they are designed for GD), you still end up with the weak WRX bar and outer joint, which is the next weakest link after his trans has been swapped. And you need both the STI and WRX axles to make the hybrid axles...and the cost of both sets of those approaches the cost of simply buying SpecB or DSS.

Here, the uninformed guy will even link you to the product you're asking about: http://wordpress.suberdave.com/?page_id=291

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Old 10-18-2012, 09:46 PM   #28
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Hey guy, why don't I just buy the kit with the brakes too and be done with it? I already have a nice set of coilovers so I will sell the suspension that comes with the swap and use the money for the control box.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:50 PM   #29
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Hey guy, why don't I just buy the kit with the brakes too and be done with it? I already have a nice set of coilovers so I will sell the suspension that comes with the swap and use the money for the control box.
If an entire drivetrain swap from the firewall back seems like the easiest route to "be done with it", then yep, where there's a will and a wallet, there's a way. Just don't expect to ever have the OEM DCCD controller or display or differential temperature warning lights or things like that.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:50 PM   #30
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Hey guy, why don't I just buy the kit with the brakes too and be done with it? I already have a nice set of coilovers so I will sell the suspension that comes with the swap and use the money for the control box.
Ypur front struts will not work with STI knuckles.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:52 PM   #31
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Nope, he sure can't! You can look into "Suberdave" inner CV adapter parts which mates part of the R180 outer to the WRX CV and bar, and even if they will work on GR stuff (they are designed for GD), you still end up with the weak WRX bar and outer joint, which is the next weakest link after his trans has been swapped. And you need both the STI and WRX axles to make the hybrid axles...and the cost of both sets of those approaches the cost of simply buying SpecB or DSS.

Here, the uninformed guy will even link you to the product you're asking about: http://wordpress.suberdave.com/?page_id=291

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Don't get snooty with me, took you three posts for you to comprehend "hybridized axle".
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:53 PM   #32
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Are you familiar with this method, or are you more of a "if it doesn't bolt right up its over my head" type of person? Because that's the feel I'm getting from you.
Here is a picture of the engine bay of the 2009 WRX that we did the 6MT swap into:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Still think I am afraid of custom?

I'm not trying to be a dick, honestly, and sorry for coming off that way. I give direct and factual answers and yes, I don't always back them up with enough reference information to prove my point.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:55 PM   #33
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Don't get snooty with me, took you three posts for you to comprehend "hybridized axle".
Nope, I actually understood it from your very first post, I didn't offer it up as a feasible option because it's not

The 2004 WRX in my profile has a firewall-back 6MT and R180 swap. I am still completely baffled as to why you think I don't have an intimate knowledge over this stuff.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:03 PM   #34
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Nope, I actually understood it from your very first post, I didn't offer it up as a feasible option because it's not

The 2004 WRX in my profile has a firewall-back 6MT and R180 swap. I am still completely baffled as to why you think I don't have an intimate knowledge over this stuff.
There are plenty of people with built cars that don't have a clue.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:05 PM   #35
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Ypur front struts will not work with STI knuckles.
The guy is giving me all of the parts. they came off a wrecked 2010 sti.

It would be nice to run out and buy a 2013 STi, trade in on my car would kill me. I owe more than the stealerships would offer for trade in. So i asked my tuner what he thought. He said sti swap or build the 5mt. Thats where I'm at now. Figuring out the logistics of the two and going with the stronger and better option.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:06 PM   #36
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There are plenty of people with built cars that don't have a clue.
Perhaps...those were bought and not built I built my WRX I may also work with Subarus as my profession from time to time.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:07 PM   #37
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You could always just let insurance fix the car and drive a normal WRX.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:08 PM   #38
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Figuring out the logistics of the two and going with the stronger and better option.
6MT is definitely both of those. Just be prepared for a big investment, that's all I'm saying. And are you really ready to give up the warranty on basically every drivetrain part in the car? Have you considered just finding another 5MT from any 09+ WRX? That would have you back on the road and honestly most people don't have issues with them, it sounds like you were the victim of bad luck and circumstance.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:17 PM   #39
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6MT is definitely both of those. Just be prepared for a big investment, that's all I'm saying. And are you really ready to give up the warranty on basically every drivetrain part in the car? Have you considered just finding another 5MT from any 09+ WRX? That would have you back on the road and honestly most people don't have issues with them, it sounds like you were the victim of bad luck and circumstance.

I have plenty of bolt-ons that already kill my warranty. I'm putting down 320hp and 340 tq to the wheels. All with bolt-ons. These stealerships love to say "sorry you have aftermarket exhaust it voids your warranty" . Yeah okay buddy exhaust made my front diff break after hitting a huge ass pothole at highway speeds. Shove your BS LINES UP YOUR A$$
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I have plenty of bolt-ons that already kill my warranty. I'm putting down 320hp and 340 tq to the wheels. All with bolt-ons. These stealerships love to say "sorry you have aftermarket exhaust it voids your warranty" . Yeah okay buddy exhaust made my front diff break after hitting a huge ass pothole at highway speeds. Shove your BS LINES UP YOUR A$$
LOL. Sorry you've had only bad luck dealing with it. Don't forget that the manufacturer provides warranty services (and approves/denies claims), not the dealership itself. Try to find a dealership that will be more understanding of the issues (damage not directly related to the mods) and who will be an advocate for you.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:52 PM   #41
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I am also looking at beefing up the stock tranny but was told the gears are very loud and just as expensive. And I don't even know if the diff can be made stronger or not.
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What broke in the diff? The R&P gear or the central unit or?

You might want to read this gentlemen's threads:
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I had been researching my options and looking at what was available. I eventually ruled out the 6 speed because of the added cost and complexity of doing the complete swap. I then began looking at built 5 speeds. Unfortunately the 08+ WRX's use a 3.9 final drive, so it's not quite as easy as just swapping in a new tranny. This left me with the option of buying a tranny and having it disassembled and swapped over, or just buying a gearset.
He was at the same general fork in the road and chose upgraded gears. He was definitely much further past the point of no return with the car as it had been well-modded by the time the trans failed. It's a very good read.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:21 AM   #43
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What broke in the diff? The R&P gear or the central unit or?

You might want to read this gentlemen's threads:
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He was at the same general fork in the road and chose upgraded gears. He was definitely much further past the point of no return with the car as it had been well-modded by the time the trans failed. It's a very good read.
Not sure yet but they say the Diff is where all the noise is. Is there a way to beef up the diff? I live in NH and the roads suck. Frost heaves and potholes are common on every back road.

What would I be looking at for cost of doing 5spd rebuild with fixing both?
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:46 PM   #44
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How exactly did you break your transmission?
If you hit a pothole you should document it and file a claim with the city... then you get some reinbursement...

or if it was an accident, did you talk with your insurance company yet?

Either way, it's cheaper to buy a new car than to do a ****load to fix one
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I was trying to figure that out too. How does a tranny break over a pothole? I can see how something suspension related would break but not the tranny.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:07 PM   #46
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I was told the front diff is trashed. It wasnt your everyday pothole. I was in a construction zone on the highway traveling at highway speed. I swereved to miss a cone thaty was kicked up by the car in front of me, instead of cone hitting me I took out a larger one and hit hole while accelerating so I wouldn't hit the jersey barrier.
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You should PM monkiboy on 3GWRX.com. He had a very detailed writeup about the swap into his car, including info on the rear diff, axles, and all the parts you need.
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Ok, thanks. I have a full kit I'm buying that comes with everything including suspension and brakes.
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I was told the front diff is trashed. It wasnt your everyday pothole. I was in a construction zone on the highway traveling at highway speed. I swereved to miss a cone thaty was kicked up by the car in front of me, instead of cone hitting me I took out a larger one and hit hole while accelerating so I wouldn't hit the jersey barrier.
I still don't know how that would damage the diff and not something suspension related. I'm not calling you a liar by any means, just find it hard to believe.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:20 PM   #50
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I thought it was driveshaft issues myself. But that's what they said. You have to factor in that I put 340 ft lbs of torque to the ground and I did punch it at the same time I hit.
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