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Old 10-19-2012, 02:57 PM   #1
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Default Just Installed Fram Filter; Am I Screwed?

So at Auto Zone they were running a special today for a 5 qt of oil and a Fram filter for $20.

It's the orange Fram filter.

I'm driving a 02 Forester with 155K miles.

I plan on changing the oil every 3K miles

So am I screwed using the orange Fram filter?

I looked online and evidently there are some bad reviews.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:08 PM   #2
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Your engine is now destroyed. Ill take it off your hands.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:56 PM   #3
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I wouldn't worry about it. I prefer the Purolator PureOne filters (PL14612). I get them through Amazon and I buy my oil at Wallymart. I used a Fram filter in the past when I realized I ran out of my Purolator filters and I had already drained the oil. I have an Autozone within walking distance.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:12 PM   #4
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ahhh fram, RUNNNN!!!!
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:22 PM   #5
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My dad ran Frams on our '95 for years and years before handing it off to me - no issues. I've done a TON of research on oil filters, cut them apart, and all that.

In general, I found the Pureolator PureOne to be as good as people say they are with the metal end caps. The OEM Subaru blue ones were made of cardboard only, but this stuff was tough! The Fram one was noticably less sturdy as compared to the OEM one.

I run Pureolators on all my cars. Synthetic for mine, PureOne for our Forester, and the Classic for the Camry. Great products.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:42 AM   #6
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what about using the fram tough guard silver ones?

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Old 11-23-2012, 01:25 PM   #7
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Take it off if you are worried. I would not go redlining the car all over and abusing it but it should be ok. Thousands and hundreds of thousands of cars run them with no issues immediate -- perhaps just long term wear.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:27 PM   #8
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Lol, all those reviews make me laugh. Too much time on their hands really. I love using the fram filters because of the grippy surface, they work fine. I drive my car pretty hard too.

Don't sweat it. If cars spun rod bearings from fram filters, do you think they would stay in business? I have been using them forever.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:34 PM   #9
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i used fram once on my TL and it was fine. their only problem is durability so just don't prolong your OCI and should be fine.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:05 AM   #10
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Just change to something besides fram next oil change... Your fine
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:54 AM   #11
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I doubt you hurt the engine, but Fram oil filters are about the worst filter you could use, unless they have improved.

A few years ago, the parts guy at a Moto Guzzi dealer cut a few filters apart to compare the insides. Seems many Guzzi riders are cheap! Anyway, the Fram is a lot cheaper then the UFI filter Guzzi uses. IIRC, he tested three or four filters, but I don't remember the others.

The UFI easily had twice as much filter media as compared to the Fram by having more pleats folded into it. Also there was the filter media itself. The Fram allowed debris of a larger micron to pass through it. (Didn't filter down to as fine as the others.) Then there was the pressure (bypass) valve that is inside. I don't remember if the Fram had it but took less for it to bypass or didn't have it at all. On the UFI, the filter media was glued on the ends with metal caps. The Fram used a "cardboard" material to attach the edges of the filter media. It was simply a cheap filter!

The absolute cheapest thing you can do to any engine is proper maintenance, period! You have to understand that cutting corners like this generally does not cause a catastrophic failure. Sometimes maybe, but usually just premature wear is a result of inferior oils and filters. The only way to know for sure down the road is compression testing, and oil analysis, short of disassembly and using a micrometer to measure and visual examination of the bearing surfaces for scoring. Plain bearings rely on a film of oil to seperate the moving surfaces. If debris can pass through the filter it is like having sand between the mating surfaces. Not as drastic, but you get the idea.

It is kind of one of those you can pay me now or pay me later type of things. Me, I refuse to have a Fram oil filter on any of my vehicles. I always used Bosch on my old WRX. For now, I'll probably use the Subi filter on the '13.

To each his own, but you did ask.

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Old 11-26-2012, 02:48 PM   #12
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Hmmm. Never realized there were so many bad reviews for Fram filters. I've always used the Tough Guard ones because of the grippy ends. My car is a 2001 with 180,xxx miles and I've never had a problem. Change my filter with my oil every 3K-5K miles. Like everyone says, if you are worried about it just change it next time.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:05 PM   #13
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The tough guard ones are completely different internally from the regular ones... in fact, they're actually good. Metal end caps and all that jazz.

With that said, the OEM blue Subaru ones have paper end caps. Left one in for 6k miles and dissected it... perfectly fine. Fram ones are made in the same factory as the OEM blue ones, just to a little bit different spec.

Basically, it's not the end of the world, but for a few bucks more, I like the piece of mind of knowing I have something like Purolator on there.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:52 PM   #14
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I thought Honeywell made the fram filters, just as they make the blue Subaru filters.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:44 AM   #15
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Ive changed plenty of oil in subies that people had fram filters on and none of them had problems
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:30 PM   #16
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I had a Tough Guard in for around 4000 miles for my last oil change and I had no issues with it.
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