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Old 10-22-2012, 12:16 PM   #26
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Found it, it is the 108. Fumoto should update their documentation on their website.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...31206&page=574
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:57 PM   #27
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F108N.

As far as the oil filter, the Subaru filter is not that expensive, I would not run another brand filter to save a couple of dollars, given this is a new engine design, the filter is inverted, and there is a bypass valve in the filter (aftermarket alternatives may not have the valve or it may operate under different tolerances).

That's just my opinion, though.
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Old 10-22-2012, 01:27 PM   #28
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It's not always a cost issue. There's a lot of published performance data on PureOne filters, but I haven't seen much on the OEM filter. It's possible that the OEM may be better, but I doubt it.

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Old 10-22-2012, 01:31 PM   #29
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I bought some filters and crush washers at the dealer during my one month service.

I buy Amsoil once a year and they mail it to me (for my car, and my wifes Nissan Rogue).

I've since installed a Fumoto valve, so I don't need crush washers anymore.

When I need filters, I will probably buy OEM filters off ebay.
What information you have on that safety valve at end of Fumoto valve ? Where you purchase etc......
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Old 10-22-2012, 01:47 PM   #30
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What information you have on that safety valve at end of Fumoto valve ? Where you purchase etc......
Bought off Ebay,

I googled "fumoto failure" and did not find much evidence that the valve ever fails.

The cap I put on the end (tubing) is as much to keep the valve clean as it is a backup -- I didn't use anything extra to keep it on the threads of the Fumoto.

I still haven't hit 7,500 miles, and changed the oil at 1,200, but I will use the Fumoto valve soon, I will probably change the oil next month before it gets too cold. In retrospect the fumoto is overkill for my car, as I will only be averaging one oil change annually at the rate I am driving.
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Old 10-22-2012, 01:53 PM   #31
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The PL14460 has very high efficiency, an anti-drainback valve and bypass pressure is at least 20 PSI.

It's not always a cost issue. There's a lot of published performance data on this line of filters, but I haven't seen much on the OEM filter. It's possible that the OEM may be better, but I doubt it.
It is kind of impossible to know, because Subaru does not release the specifications for the OEM oil filter.

The bypass pressure of the OEM filter may be higher or lower than the purolator, but who knows? This engine is pretty new for Subaru, so filters that were good for older engine designs might be less ok for this one? Again, who knows?

The OEM filters are about $7. I'll stick with those -- I already have three in my garage.

I have nothing against aftermarket filters, I just know that the Subaru filter is spec'd for this engine, and no one else can know if other filters are better or worse until they are tested, and I don't know of anyone testing it.
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Old 10-22-2012, 01:58 PM   #32
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I have Murphy and his law to thank for not having the Fumoto valve. My luck, I'd leave a black streak all the way down my driveway, or accidentally give someone the "james bond" oil slick behind me. I truly envy those of you with good luck!
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:31 PM   #33
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So just to get this straight, if i apply the fumoto oil valve... I dont need crush washers anymore?
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:43 PM   #34
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So just to get this straight, if i apply the fumoto oil valve... I dont need crush washers anymore?
since you don't take it out I would think not.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:43 PM   #35
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I used the felt washer that came with the fumoto, again, google "Fumoto failure" and you will see that there are not many of that gasket failing over time.

Well, you can find some reports, just not many...

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/61...alve-fail.html
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:54 PM   #36
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Whomever has that safety adapter at the end would you please chime in. I read bout this in another thread but now cannot find it.

Thanks
I have seen people use a spring hose type clamp to put on the valve to help hold the lever into the indent thus preventing it from turning. It seemed like a solid solution to me.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:12 PM   #37
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I used the felt washer that came with the fumoto, again, google "Fumoto failure" and you will see that there are not many of that gasket failing over time.

Well, you can find some reports, just not many...

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/61...alve-fail.html
these valves seem like a bad idea if you plan on having anything scraping at the underside of the vehicle (brush, snow, mud, etc.). perhaps on the impreza it's not placed too poorly (I have yet to get under the car). all the same I think about how often I have to change the oil and it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. to each his own though.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:36 PM   #38
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That pretty much how I feel, even though I've changed mine twice in less than a year and had a few dealer changes. I just have the kinda luck that doesn't allow for springs to hold my oil in the crankcase. And to me, this is just one part that you really don't want to fail. A plug is pretty much stone solid. Unless you forget the washer.
But I certainly wouldn't begrudge a man (or woman) for using an easy-valve to drain the oil. The stuff does come out with a force, but its not too bad and with a 7500 mile interval its not as regular as "old" cars.
I doubt anything would be able to "grab" the valve, its up there pretty good, but it COULD happen.
Murphy and that damned law...
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:23 PM   #39
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On the Impreza the fumoto valve is on top of the valve once installed, and tucked well into the shroud that covers the bottom of the engine.

To each his own. If you do your own changes and don't want to use the valve, go for it. I ended up with some unecessary oil splatter when I did my first oil change (it hit the shroud when draining). That won't happen anymore.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:22 PM   #40
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zeeper, which amsoil 0w20 do you run, oe?
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:24 PM   #41
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I can't believe people use new crush washers every time. I have never used a new crush washer on an oil change....ever. Lol

Maybe once or twice with a new oil pan install, but that's aside the point.
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On the Impreza the fumoto valve is on top of the valve once installed, and tucked well into the shroud that covers the bottom of the engine.

To each his own. If you do your own changes and don't want to use the valve, go for it. I ended up with some unecessary oil splatter when I did my first oil change (it hit the shroud when draining). That won't happen anymore.
is it normally recommended to removed the shroud? On my old car you had to remove a plastic protective piece to get to the filter but not the drain.
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Well- I know you don't have to... But if you're me and having oil issues with a new car, cheaping out on a 50 cent washer is not very prudent. I know dealers re-use them when its not convenient to get a new one.
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:24 PM   #44
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I can't believe people use new crush washers every time. I have never used a new crush washer on an oil change....ever. Lol

Maybe once or twice with a new oil pan install, but that's aside the point.
They're cheap, they only crush once, and using a new one every time helps guard against over tightening the drain plug and oil leaks. 50 crush washers are much cheaper than a new oil pan. Honda/Acura uses a similar washer and recommends replacement every oil change. Not replacing them isn't worth saving 15 cents.

Some types of drain plug washers don't need to be replaced, but the ones that crush should be replaced.
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I know dealers re-use them when its not convenient to get a new one.
I worked a Jiffy Lube, which doesn't have the greatest reputation, and all vehicles with drain plug crush washers were supposed to get new washers. I know we were doing it, because I ordered boxes of crush washers regularly.
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is it normally recommended to removed the shroud? On my old car you had to remove a plastic protective piece to get to the filter but not the drain.
There is a cut-out in the shroud for the oil drain plug.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:06 PM   #47
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zeeper, which amsoil 0w20 do you run, oe?
I used OE for my first change, at 1,200 miles on the odometer.

I am switching over to Signature Series for my next change and then going annual (I am on track to drive ~10,000 miles a year or less).
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:36 AM   #48
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To the fumoto valve users, which style do you guys prefer? F108s/n or the standard f108?
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:08 AM   #49
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I use Castrol 06240 EDGE 0W-20 Titanium Synthetic Motor Oil, I am approaching my second oil change soon, my oil change interval is around 6000 km. For the oil filter I have a Fram Tough Guard, I know Fram sucks but there was nothing else available at the time and ordering online or driving to a Subaru dealership was out of the question. I have a K&N one for my next oil change.
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I worked a Jiffy Lube, which doesn't have the greatest reputation, and all vehicles with drain plug crush washers were supposed to get new washers. I know we were doing it, because I ordered boxes of crush washers regularly.
Well both times my engine was over-filled, they drained some out, and tightened the plug back, thereby re-using the crush washers.
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