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Old 12-11-2012, 10:30 PM   #1
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Once this gets finalized, who's planning on packing some heat? I personaly can't, i think its going to wreak havoc. Piss off your neighbor with something piddly and he blow your brains out. Plus don't want any of.this around my two toddlers.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:33 PM   #2
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:30 PM   #3
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I'm personally looking into some robot arms that can turn into machine guns. Ultimate concealment !
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:16 AM   #4
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Planning on getting my Gun license over winter break. I am very interested in getting a pistol. Driving around Chicago at night is no joke.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:35 AM   #5
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just allows the good guys to carry guns..
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:07 AM   #6
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I don't have my concealed because I don't want to carry all of the time but I always have a gun in reach. Anytime I get pulled over I just put my pistol on the dash and the first thing I say to the officer is "I have a gun in the car" lol
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:31 AM   #7
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So once conceal and carry is legal, a food card wont be necessary?
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:26 AM   #8
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Please w/e you do if you are going to cc please get training, don't be a dumbass and "just get a gun".
I am adamant about the right to own, carry and use a gun, but please get training.
Oh yeah and a big FU to the commie Illinois fbag politicians who have been pushing there Nazi anti-gun agenda.
So glad this passed.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:34 AM   #9
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I'm personally looking into some robot arms that can turn into machine guns. Ultimate concealment !
Get the world domination model worth the extra money.
Plus chicks dig robots with big ....
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:59 AM   #10
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Please w/e you do if you are going to cc please get training, don't be a dumbass and "just get a gun".
I am adamant about the right to own, carry and use a gun, but please get training.
Oh yeah and a big FU to the commie Illinois fbag politicians who have been pushing there Nazi anti-gun agenda.
So glad this passed.
i second everything you just said!! Lucky i live in Michigan and we like out 2nd amendment rights.I just hated to driving thru IL and have to unload my firearm.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:38 AM   #11
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So once conceal and carry is legal, a food card wont be necessary?
No, you'll still have a foid card, you'll have to either get a separate permit for cc or you have to get a new foid that says you can cc
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:44 AM   #12
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They have 180 days to write some legislation. Chicago still has a handgun ban, as does Evanston I think. Interested to see what happens. I don't want any more guns around, personally. I'd rather see effort put into the social systems that could help cut down the violence around us rather than packing heat and being afraid of my surroundings.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:07 AM   #13
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They have 180 days to write some legislation. Chicago still has a handgun ban, as does Evanston I think. Interested to see what happens. I don't want any more guns around, personally. I'd rather see effort put into the social systems that could help cut down the violence around us rather than packing heat and being afraid of my surroundings.
So you're thinking that no one in Chicago is carrying a handgun? You sir are living in your own world if that's the case. Like I said earlier..this only allows the good guys to carry. If anything this will cut down on violence because all these gang bangers won't know if they try and car jack some guy driving a brand new bmw will open fire on their dumb asses..
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #14
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I've had handguns pulled on or around me several times. A kid got shot a few tables down from me my freshman year of hs in the cafeteria. I've never had one myself and never felt I needed one. One of those times a gun was pulled it was an undercover cop running at me chasing a kid who dropped a dime bag. I"m sure if I tried to "protect" myself the cop would have thought twice about what his priority was at that time. Me with a gun, or a kid with a gram of weed. I know what would happen. Think my family would sue for wrongful death?

If a mugger pulls a gun on me, he's getting my wallet and I'm calling to cancel my credit cards. I don't like my odds of a wild west shootout when he's already got the drop on me.

What about drive by's? Are they shooting at me? I'm not in a gang. Am I supposed to start firing back into traffic?

What about all the kids that get hit in their homes from gang activity? random bullets flying. Who do they shoot back at?

Also, I've gotten into this discussion before on here after the CO incident. The not knowing if someone has a gun or not to prevent crime argument doesn't convince me. Google "murder at gun range" and see how many people walk into a place where EVERYONE has a gun and they start shooting people.

Social programs and schools need the attention. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.....so lets address WHY people kill people and stop obsessing over guns.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:26 AM   #15
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I've also read the case files and family histories of kids in foster care and juvenile justice in the state through work. I'm not getting my info from the news or what I see on the street around me. I'm well aware of the problem and surrounding circumstances regarding guns in the city of Chicago.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:41 PM   #16
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This is actually quite simple. The law, as it stood against conceal carry, hurt only the law abiding citizens. The crime in Chicago isn't just gang on gang. There are plenty of people who are targeted, mugged, and still shot despite complying with their attacker. Social correction measures can't fix a complete lack of regard for human life.

Now, let's take it a step further. What about those random events that occurred in Colorado, Arizona (Gifford), or just yesterday at a mall in Portland. If just one trained and responsible person who was CC was in the crowd, they could have effectively prevented the further loss of innocent life. There is nothing fair about not being able to protect myself while honoring the laws that maintain social order and security. The passing of CC will benefit those who already have the respect and common sense to be responsible. Will you see some cases of violence escolating when it otherwise wouldn't have just because one guy has a gun? Yes. Guaranteed, but the benefit still outweighs the risk.

Illinois is the LAST state to hold out on CC. I guess the rest of the union is a bunch of cowboys, right? We are the model state...with our highest homicide rate in the country, mad corruption, and violation of constitutional rights. Come on...
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:43 PM   #17
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i second everything you just said!! Lucky i live in Michigan and we like out 2nd amendment rights.I just hated to driving thru IL and have to unload my firearm.
Don't even get me started when you guys just passed RTW the other day. That's another topic for another day!

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Old 12-12-2012, 12:52 PM   #18
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Please w/e you do if you are going to cc please get training, don't be a dumbass and "just get a gun".
I am adamant about the right to own, carry and use a gun, but please get training.
Oh yeah and a big FU to the commie Illinois fbag politicians who have been pushing there Nazi anti-gun agenda.
So glad this passed.
My worry is people at your level of cognition being the ones excited to carry a gun around.

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So you're thinking that no one in Chicago is carrying a handgun? You sir are living in your own world if that's the case. Like I said earlier..this only allows the good guys to carry. If anything this will cut down on violence because all these gang bangers won't know if they try and car jack some guy driving a brand new bmw will open fire on their dumb asses..
Nobody implied that at all. He stated that handguns are still illegal. None of us are delusional and thinking that people aren't doing illegal things. I agree with him in not wanting people carrying them.

If anything, I would say you're delusional. To think that an irrational person committing a dangerous act is going to stop and think "Hm, I wonder if this gentleman in this BMW I plan to steal is carrying a firearm on his person. Maybe I should not act in this manner." seems .. unreasonable.

What I don't want is you deciding to be a hero and shooting me instead of whatever it is you're aiming at. Or shooting me because you think I'm doing something wrong and you feel justified in it.
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Social correction measures can't fix a complete lack of regard for human life.
That's my problem with pro gun people. They see "bad guys" like this. The reality is they are real people like you or me, and for some reason or another they have ended up down a bad path. The actual number of people who fit that description of lack fo regard for human life is so low that allowing people to carry guns to combat them is as logical as say, voter ID to prevent in person voter fraud.

As for it not just gang activity, you're correct. But the fear and propaganda pushing the desire to be able to carry a gun for protection is being presented as "protect yourself from chicago thugs". Again, having seen and worked with the data, they're talking about gang activity. And also why I brought up the handgun ban. It will yet to be seen how you can legally carry a hand gun in a city that bans them. We'll see.

As for Eeeeeevil Eric's notion, he's right. Get trained and educated and be safe. I just don't trust the mass population to do that. And I won't touch the rest of his comment because we're friends and I prefer to stay that way :P (keep that in mind here in threads like this - we all get along in person, usually, so don't let the attacks get out of hand. There's more to life....which not ironically is part of my anti-gun stance)

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Old 12-12-2012, 01:04 PM   #20
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In my experience, people who are afraid of guns and their use have not been around them and don't understand them. It is true that people kill people. Someone armed with a knife can just as easily decide to come up behind you and stab you as can someone carrying a gun. Let's not forget; guns are already out there! The only change is that those who respect the law can now defend themselves against the people who should be the ones truly striking fear in people.

Lastly, you can't hunt in Illinois without taking a safety class. I personally see the CC laws containing some kind of requirements for a safety class and certification.
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There's a strong/wide distance between afraid of guns, and afraid of people carrying loaded guns around all the time.

Guns don't worry me. The ability of most people to make reasonable decisions in times of crisis is what causes me concern.
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I'm not afraid of guns and their use. They have their place. I would like a society that doesn't think carrying one around all the time is an appropriate safety measure.

Like I said, and you re-affirmed, you can kill someone anyway you want to. Why is the priority and emphasis on carrying guns? I could argue that you could save more lives by carrying a portable defibrillator to help someone undergoing cardiac arrest. Do we see a huge push for that? We have them stationed at public places just like we do police officers and we are content as a society that we have it covered. No need for everyone to carry a dangerous electrifying apparatus to save lives, but a tool to "get the bad guy" HELL YEAH!!!

What's the real motivating factor? fear of surroundings, or saving lives?
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That's my problem with pro gun people. They see "bad guys" like this. The reality is they are real people like you or me, and for some reason or another they have ended up down a bad path. The actual number of people who fit that description of lack fo regard for human life is so low that allowing people to carry guns to combat them is as logical as say, voter ID to prevent in person voter fraud.
I respect your position. You seem educated and you seem as though you have given great thought to your stance on this subject. I, however, respectfully disagree to the highest regard. Yes, those people have traveled down a terrible path to get them to where they are. Despite helping these people out socially or, more specific, socioeconomically, will not instill a respect for life. It is their desperation that drives their perceived need to steal, however it does not justify their need for violence against their victims. We can argue the sociology aspect of violence but we will ultimately get nowhere.

Take away the socioeconomic aspect of violence. Look at the guy from Portland, just identified as a 22 year old guy who stole the weapon the day before. This was a guy with an agenda to kill. We don't yet know the motive, but what does it matter? He decided to commit a random act of violence against innocent people who he assumed would be easy, unarmed targets. Just one trained owner could have confronted him and potentially stopped the violence. It beats the hell out of running away and potentially being killed anyways. I am a man of action. Not because I have a love affair of guns, but because I am dedicated to helping my fellow man. This is evident in my commitment in my profession. I have a right to defend myself and those around me, protected by the very people who have given you your civil liberties. There needs to be a lot of self-reflection on this topic. It's going to happen.
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Just one trained owner could have confronted him and potentially stopped the violence. It beats the hell out of running away and potentially being killed anyways. I am a man of action. Not because I have a love affair of guns, but because I am dedicated to helping my fellow man. This is evident in my commitment in my profession. I have a right to defend myself and those around me, protected by the very people who have given you your civil liberties. There needs to be a lot of self-reflection on this topic. It's going to happen.
Just as easily, 3 owners could have escalated the violence to an entirely new level.

These scenarios are always speculated that some hero could have changed the outcome of the world. I can also speculate that one police officer could have stopped it. One teacher earlier in the man's life could have avoided it entirely.

Dirty Harry isn't real, and most people will not improve a situation by trying to be a hero. Knowing how to use a gun, and being able to hit a target are completely different skill sets than acting rationally under duress/in crisis.

Concealed carry is already legal in many places -- I haven't seen any studies showing it has a statistically positive impact on these situations.
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It might straighten some people out IMO, I'm all for it, especially since we're the only one's who cant.

You have to be trained, and make sure that your not a hot head or yeah, you'll have some issues, but I think that BS confrontations might go down like they did in other states actually.

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