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Old 10-24-2012, 04:15 PM   #1
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The season finale of the Dodge Viper Cup, USGT, and Whelen TT Championship went down to the wire at one of the nations most historic race tracks, Watkins Glen International. In just about every class the winner of this round would walk away with a championship.

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No expense was spared by the various teams in there quest for a championship and “ringer” drivers were flown in to do battle. Heavy hitters in the GTU class included George Whelen, in the Whelen Marsh Corvette, Eric Curren in the other Whelen Marsh Corvette (here to steal points from class leader Jim Stout), and Tommy Archer in the Archer Viper (driving to steal points for Jim Booth). In qualifying Dave Moore slammed his Viper into the tire wall heading into the “boot” shutting down qualifying. The grid was assigned by practice times and this left many drivers at the back of the grid.

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In the GTU class drama unfolded as Tommy Archer’s Viper failed to make the grid and 2nd in points Jim Booth was stuck at the back of the grid. Eric Curren does exactly what he needed to do for George Whelen and that was to takes the lead from pole sitter and points leader Jim Stout. As the laps ticked down Eric Curren’s Corvette suffered a driver’s rear suspension failure allowing Jim Stout to take the lead. This pretty much knocked out George Whelen’s chances for the title and also Booths as his power steering failed after working his way through the field on lap 8.

Jim Stout takes the championship, with Booth and Whelen finishing out in 2nd and 3rd.

In the Whelen USTT Championship, I wasn’t as lucky in the TTU class as earlier in the year our STi was victim to the latest Subaru 704 block failures. We had to bow out of two rounds until we could engineer a solution. Once an Element Tuning reinforced block was installed we attacked the Monticello round taking 2 wins and then headed off to Watkins Glen, NY for the finals.

It was a seriously chilly weekend with temps in the 40s making it really difficult to get the tires up to temperature quickly. Not knowing the track other than watching Youtube the night before I was hoping to get on the heal of a fast local. That wasn’t to be and I got stuck at the back of the grid for session 1. I blasted by as many drivers as I could looking for clear track which didn’t come but I managed for my first time there to qualify 2nd to Steve Katz Viper ACR separated by 6 tenths.

In session 2 much of the same and traffic was a big problem. Steve and I had to dodge traffic at alarming speed differentials. He got hung up a little more than I did and I caught him slowing me up some. At the end of session 2, one tenth separates me in the lead from Katz and 7 tenths from Santillo’s TTR Z06.

David Santillo’s TTR Corvette:


As I learn the track I’m picking up chunks of time and I’m thinking the locals must be peaking. In session 3 I just can’t believe we’re catching traffic on lap one as some late to the grid think it’s safe to scrub tires at 45 mph on a hot track and I almost collect the bumper of an SRT4 entering, close to 120 mph into, the uphill esses (he swerves right, I swerve left, and then he swerves left because he’s not checking his mirrors). Steve tries to pass me but I block him (LOL) and signal him to slow down so we can stretch the field out in hopes of one clean lap. I catch traffic again, make a clean pass, but it threw me off my rhythm and I take too much curb in the “heal of the boot” sending me off the track and cutting grass.

Santillo’s Corvette uses the big Viper to draft his way to a 1:59.935 to my 1:59.934, a mere .001, while Katz is peaking at 2.00.7. TTU points leader, Jeff Baldwin, isn’t learning the track as fast and he’s running a best of 2:03 in his Viper.

Heading into the last session only 1 thousandths of a second separates my STi from Santillo’s Z06 and I had a damaged bumper and splitter to deal with. I knew he was going to try and draft me and that’s exactly what he planned to do as he was right on my bumper at the start of the session. He’s not dealing with a rookie and I surprise jump him when he’s not expecting it and I gap the field hard. I knew this was going to possibly put me in a difficult situation with traffic and that’s exactly what happened. With the splitter and bumper damage I’m struggling to hold my line in the uphill esses at 120 mph as the car is drifting wide. As I come around on my second hot lap (first lap was never the fastest as the tires were just too cold) heading 153 mph into the bus stop I catch a slow car and he’s in the middle of the track going really slow (WTF move over if you’re cooling down or busted), but there’s just a car’s width on the left and I stay flat out, brake, turn in, and just make my entry into the “bus stop.” I see one more car to deal with but the timing was just right and made it by without slowing much to run a 1:58.4. Without the draft Santillo could do no better than a 2:01.2 and I took the overall win. Baldwin finished third wrapping up the national championship.

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Saturday winner:



It wasn’t enough to take the championship but with 2 wins and one win with double points I managed third in the national championship.

Championship Banquet at the Corning Museum of Glass





With the national championship decided
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4 cylinders will do just fine!



Sunday was purely about bragging rights with the national championship decided. This was purely for the cool trophy of “World Champion.” (of Sunday Watkins Glen LOL!) I’m out of fresh tires and my front brake pads are on their last legs. I’m feeling good but the track is crazy cold today and I ease my way around until the third lap when I manage to put down a 1:59.3 to secure the top qualifying spot. I planned on making session 2 my last but my transmission was popping out of 4th gear so I abandoned my fast lap settling for a 1:58.4. The rest of field can’t break out of the 2.00 barrier so I feel secure in the overall.

With only enough tire and brakes to do one last session I know I have to make it work and I’m going to have to hold the car in 4th gear as I hit the brake to keep it from popping out. Knowing from my last race and from the Vipers kicking my butt down the straights I decided to pull my double rear diffuser off the car. At this point I felt comfortable with the car and the track that if it got loose on me I could catch it. I put together a nice clean lap but I know I was giving up time due to the brakes, old tires, and the banged up front end, but it still felt good. I was rewarded with a 1:57.5 and my average speed went up +5 mph along with my top speed on the back straight. Almost a full second a lap in drag!!!


One of the competitors in TT3 cancelled his flight home because he wanted one of these babies!



Very few cars broke into the 1:57 range or quicker on Sunday, I think only 4 Viper Cup cars and 5 GT cars so I was happy even though I knew there was more in the car. I felt it best to say, that was fast enough for now as I was +3 seconds clear of my competition.

Interesting cars out there:





In the Viper Cup race Ben Keating had to settle for second place as young racer LP-Montour to the win on Saturday but suffered a failure on Sunday giving the win to Ben with AJ Morgan finishing 3rd. Ben Keating’s Viper Exchange car takes the championship for 2012.



Young LP put on a driving exhibition taking Jim Booth’s 800+ HP Viper around Watkins Glen to a shocking 1:48 lap time putting it right there with DP cars. It was a test drive and the kid bought the car after besting the owner’s lap time by 5 seconds. Amazing, I hope there is video!

I wish I had one more round at VIR as I ran a TTU best of 1:56.4 at VIR (495 hp) and pulling my diffuser got me -1 second at the Glen. I think I can make a run there for the TTU lap record of 1:55.

Here is my last run of the year at VIR. I wish I pulled the diffuser then but I didn't realize how slow I was down the straight until I watch the TTA lap record fall and I was the car in front of him. I couldn't even pull away from a TTA car. LOL!


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Congrats Phil - You know, you meet some guys at the track and you get along with them right away. We hope to be chasing you around with our little 4 cyl from another maker next year.

I find some of the comments on Facebook about your line pretty funny. I had to deal with the same thing taking the TT2 race at Thunderbolt. Best time wins it... We are huge NARRA fans and hope to make it to as many of these events as we can. Steve Katz is a fantastic guy as well and am excited to see you guys having some fun. This time at the Glen it was funny to see our street GTR was surrounded by factory race cars. lol.

Great season, see ya next year!

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Congrats Phil - You know, you meet some guys at the track and you get along with them right away. We hope to be chasing you around with our little 4 cyl from another maker next year.

I find some of the comments on Facebook about your line pretty funny. I had to deal with the same thing taking the TT2 race at Thunderbolt. Best time wins it... We are huge NARRA fans and hope to make it to as many of these events as we can. Steve Katz is a fantastic guy as well and am excited to see you guys having some fun. This time at the Glen it was funny to see our street GTR was surrounded by factory race cars. lol.

Great season, see ya next year!

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Good to see you guys out there again. Sometimes the car lets you down and you just have to get another car to race....been there, done that!

The camera angle on the splitter makes it look like I'm running down the center of the track which is why some may think I'm taking it easy and using my "massive" power and slicks to win but we know how hard it is to hustle a high power 4 cylinder around the track that weighs 3233. Lag, a narrow chassis, and AWD does not make an ideal race car. If you watch the other angle you can actually see the line better and the car is up on some curbs but those things can bite you back!

A 1:57 would have put me 5th or 6th on the USGT grid so we all know it's a fast time but sure I could have gone faster. I really didn't have anything to prove but there are things I knew we could improve with the car so it was best to call the weekend successful.

I had a blast and Watkins Glen is definitely a bucket list track. So far it has to be one of my favorites ever! It beat the crap out of me though..it's rough!
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LOL - I remember that. All I know is you guys did a great job, on a nasty and unforgiving track. Power and slicks wont save you at the Glen. 1.57 is a blistering time, that does not "just happen". Cant wait till next year. We will be sure to stop by on the way to VIR. Maybe we can get drunk together down at PRI.

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Congrats on the win and good to meet you.

I believe I briefly met one of the Kaizen guys as well when I was looking for an o2 bung plug. I ended up stealing an o2 sensor from my Tahoe so I could run. Thanks for checking for me. I decided to do the event Friday so everything was rushed.

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Congratulations! Great work!
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I heard it was something crazy like $70k to rent this track for the race. I hope they return as I love this place!
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Congrats on the win and good to meet you.

I believe I briefly met one of the Kaizen guys as well when I was looking for an o2 bung plug. I ended up stealing an o2 sensor from my Tahoe so I could run. Thanks for checking for me. I decided to do the event Friday so everything was rushed.

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Nice meeting you too. How did you end up doing?

It was good to at least see one other Subaru competing (and finishing the event with the motor in one piece). Oh we both have dry sumps, that's why

Oh and you were probably the warmest driver out there (sitting next to your muffler) LOL!

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Ah so that's what happened to the other Subaru... They left so fast I didn't get to ask what was up. Dry sump setups aren't cheap, but if you find out you need one the hard way, you spent the money regardless. I decided early on not to chance it without one and we went overboard on the fuel cell and fuel surge setup we made too.

I'm glad you liked the Glen. It's the only "big" track I've driven to date so I don't have much to compare to, but I love it. I hope to get to Mid Ohio and maybe even VIR next year. VIR looks like a blast from your video.
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Yeah his rod was completely blued and the bearing welded to it. Hard to say it was because of no dry sump or a build issue resulting in inadequate oil pressure. I can say having lapped this track hard I'm not sure I would run here without a dry sump (using race tires and DF).

The Honda lost a motor, possibly an EVO (not sure yet), and I thought one of the GT cars also lost a motor. The track is unforgiving, wide open throttle, madness!
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I know a customer that fuel starves his 05 STI there if he goes under 3/4-2/3 tank of gas and he's only on 245 wide NT01s so oil starvation is a definite possibility for the guys pushing it.

There's a lot of wide open throttle there. About 1 minute of each ~2 minute lap is at full boost in my logs. The run from turn 1 all the way up the hill and down the back straight is so long I was only picking up 2 MPH from track out of the esses to the end of the back straight despite being full throttle all the way down it due to intercooler heat soak. Being in 6th gear with the boost down at 14 psi doesn't help much either.
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Nice meeting you too. How did you end up doing?

It was good to at least see one other Subaru competing (and finishing the event with the motor in one piece). Oh we both have dry sumps, that's why

Oh and you were probably the warmest driver out there (sitting next to your muffler) LOL!
I would prefer we don't jump to conclusions on whether or not it was a dry sump or the manufacturer of the rod or whatever else ! It could have been complete driver error do to a missed shift and a very dangerous over Rev, we can just leave it at that. I stand behind the shop that builds my motors and look forward to seeing everyone out there next year. We have a few tricks up our sleeve for this off seasons adjustments. It should be an interesting 2013 season

You don't get it all right the first season (you of all people know that Phil) but I feel like I have made considerable progress this season and will be stronger than ever next season !


Innovative.... I really like the way your going with your car and look forward to seeing it murder some tracks !!!

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Your rod was completely blue from overheating and the bearing welded to the rod end. I have broken rods due to driver error and trust me it doesn't look like that. However it happened you spun a bearing and I don't think it was your fault, a missed shift. Just saying, been there, done that.

Can't go wrong with a dry sump but you can go wrong without.
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Your rod was completely blue from overheating and the bearing welded to the rod end. I have broken rods due to driver error and trust me it doesn't look like that. However it happened you spun a bearing and I don't think it was your fault, a missed shift. Just saying, been there, done that.

Can't go wrong with a dry sump but you can go wrong without.

Even a dry sump cant fill a gap between the rod and the bearing that I had seconds before that rod snapped.


Not trying to start an argument just came to see why my car was in discussion on a thread I had nothing to do with.
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Thanks FjStix! I have a way to go with the car, but it's coming together.

Thumbs up for manning up if you mis shifted. On my best lap I actually went from 5th to 6th into the bus stop instead of 5th to 4th by accident. It happens. I've only seen piston to valve and valve to valve contact related damage from mis shift over revving Subarus. Sometimes only the valves get beat up from hitting each other. Sometimes the pistons have little impact marks and the valves are bent. In an extreme case some valves hit hard enough to come apart which wrecked the piston, head casting, rod, etc.

If you have a rod bearing that seized up I'd be surprised if it was over rev induced unless you also had piston to valve contact in that cylinder and the rod bearing got crushed when it happened. Were there impact marks on the piston?

If there are no signs of contact I'd look for signs of oil contamination, break down of oil due to heat, oil starvation in the corners, etc. Looking at the other bearings will help. Oil analysis will help. Good luck figuring it out. Failures stink, but figuring out what happened and potentially avoiding it happening again turns it into progress.
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Thanks FjStix! I have a way to go with the car, but it's coming together.

Thumbs up for manning up if you mis shifted. On my best lap I actually went from 5th to 6th into the bus stop instead of 5th to 4th by accident. It happens. I've only seen piston to valve and valve to valve contact related damage from mis shift over revving Subarus. Sometimes only the valves get beat up from hitting each other. Sometimes the pistons have little impact marks and the valves are bent. In an extreme case some valves hit hard enough to come apart which wrecked the piston, head casting, rod, etc.

If you have a rod bearing that seized up I'd be surprised if it was over rev induced unless you also had piston to valve contact in that cylinder and the rod bearing got crushed when it happened. Were there impact marks on the piston?

If there are no signs of contact I'd look for signs of oil contamination, break down of oil due to heat, oil starvation in the corners, etc. Looking at the other bearings will help. Oil analysis will help. Good luck figuring it out. Failures stink, but figuring out what happened and potentially avoiding it happening again turns it into progress.
Yes Sir, I will be doing alot of things that should have been done this season over the winter. One of the biggest things is Driver Discipline for me. The only thing that cant be solved by additional mechanical measures. We actually got away pretty damage free from this failure and are rebuilding with some new modifications for the next season. E85 will probably be one of them.

I had to run that entire weekend with absolutely no suspension adjustments because three of my four coil over dampening adjustment knobs seized up. Pretty siked that i was able to podium with issues like that.

Hope to see more of that car in 2013 !!!



Regardless of what happened that weekend I know 100% A Dry Sump would not have changed the outcome. That is all.

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It sounds like you're taking the opportunity to make it bigger and better for next year. I look forward to seeing it. If you run summer blend e85 remember starting fluid for when the car is iced over at 6am at the Glen. Some Porsche guys running gas actually had to borrow mine when their cars wouldn't start.
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Yes, Definitely - I was getting killed by fuel cut going up the hill from the heel at The Glen. That is exactly where i lost 4/10 of a second when i needed it to catch that GTR. Will be doing some things to correct that.
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In the meantime you can run with the gas tank full, but obviously that has a weight penalty. The stock tank works relatively well with a proper surge tank as long as the in tank pump doesn't die from getting starved.

I'm not sure which class the GTR will be in next year, but he'll be quicker in 2013. Right now he's on stock tires and his only mods are brake pads, rotors, and a transmission cooler, but he was only a second off the modded white GTR. He's a very good driver and he'll either run stock/near stock power on better tires and stay in TT3 or add power and tires and run TT2. Either way the tires will help him a ton. He was melting the stock tires.
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Fjstix, I won't get into motor failure causes with you because you're not an engine builder and you never listen to me anyways What ever path you take I wish you luck.

The whole point of a dry sump is just that, to never let the oil wedge between your bearings fail. It's the oil wedge strength, which is keeps the metal bearing, rod, and crank from ever touching. Even when you snap a rod your bearings are not starved of oil, pressurized oil continues, keeping the parts from contacting. Blueing of the rod and welding of the bearing occurs when there's oil starvation and the bearing sticks, spinning the rod around the bearing, eventually welding itself to the rod.

Not everyone needs a dry sump but it's a solid investment on a dedicated track car which you have.
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Fjstix, I won't get into motor failure causes with you because you're not an engine builder and you never listen to me anyways What ever path you take I wish you luck.

The whole point of a dry sump is just that, to never let the oil wedge between your bearings fail. It's the oil wedge strength, which is keeps the metal bearing, rod, and crank from ever touching. Even when you snap a rod your bearings are not starved of oil, pressurized oil continues, keeping the parts from contacting. Blueing of the rod and welding of the bearing occurs when there's oil starvation and the bearing sticks, spinning the rod around the bearing, eventually welding itself to the rod.

Not everyone needs a dry sump but it's a solid investment on a dedicated track car which you have.

Ill keep it mind. Sorry for the Thread Jack !
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That world championship trophy looks great. If I had known that they were passing those out I may have tried to make the long drive up there. Nothing like free tires and a trophy to make an amateur feel proud.

How many NARRA events will you run in 13'
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That world championship trophy looks great. If I had known that they were passing those out I may have tried to make the long drive up there. Nothing like free tires and a trophy to make an amateur feel proud
You would make that drive for a trophy? You must have a really fast package with that confidence.
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You would make that drive for a trophy? You must have a really fast package with that confidence.
My car is only TT1 so I wouldn't have had to compete with you. I know how to (cherry) pick my battles. I would have had a good chance in TT1 and even if I didn't win, I would have gotten to drive Watkins Glen, which doesn't need a lot of extra motivation for attendance.
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