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Old 12-10-2012, 12:47 PM   #26
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It's an amazing track! Definitely worth a trip at least once in a lifetime. It's got a "thrilling" aspect and those types of tracks I fall in love with.

Steve Katz is doing well in TT1 and his Viper was pulling my STi on the back straight. He was pushing 164 mph and the most I could pull was 157 mph after I trimmed some DF.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:06 PM   #27
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Trust me, I don't take anything for granted. I know there is some good competition out there, which I really love. But I'll never enter a contest thinking I'll lose. I hope to attend half or more NARRA events this year and maybe shoot for a title. Will be hard vs the guys that run all of the events. Did Katz break his car, don't see his name on day 2.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:52 PM   #28
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The competition will vary track to track really. Typically there's a local ringer in each class that does well. It's really hard to get more than 1 or two laps of clear track for the top 5 guys but it's been getting better. Narra has really listened and having clear track will be good for next year as they split the groups and get strict with those late to the grid.

The Whelen US TT Championship's final points race was Saturday and Steve Katz left after the awards banquet. The Sunday race was just for the trophy and contingencies.

You'll like Narra, it's well run and the atmosphere is great since most of it's covered on TV or internet TV.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:43 PM   #29
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Contingencies are a big deal, at least to me. I see he's got hoosier stickers on his car, I wouldn't pass up 2 free hoosiers unless I had too. That's probably $800-900 worth of tires since it looks like he had on Hoosier slicks.

I'm familiar with the Time Trial format and have run with NARRA once before. Would have been twice at VIR if my car hadn't wigged out on me. Drove 5 hrs and didn't get a single lap in. Good to hear they are working on splitting the groups. Got a little cluttered with Solo mixed in.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:29 PM   #30
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That was my motivation. I'm starting next season with 10 Hoosier R slicks worth $4300 Honestly I'll skip a race if I can afford to, points wise, if there are not enough entries to pay out on tire contingency. I pretty much burn up 1 set of slicks per event and the R100/80 are $1700 a set.

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Old 12-11-2012, 12:20 PM   #31
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Wow, a set of slicks per event. I bet you sure are glad for contingency. With some of the big gaps you have had, I would think scrubs would suffice some times. They have to if you have a surplus of 10 tires. I won a couple of sets this year myself but only have a few tires left over.

I only do TT for two reasons, tires (Nasa,Narra) and lap records (Nasa). If neither is attainable, I'm not to gonna do it (unless I have a shot at championship). Narra TT1 qualified for Contingency in every event in 2012. Expect them to do the same in 2013 or at least at the ones I will attend.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:38 PM   #32
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Wow, a set of slicks per event. I bet you sure are glad for contingency. With some of the big gaps you have had, I would think scrubs would suffice some times. They have to if you have a surplus of 10 tires.
I've been known to run 2 laps on Sunday, set FTD and call it a day

We burn the fronts up pretty good so sometimes I can get away with just replacing two but if I know the track I'll run some tires long in the tooth and get through practice and session 1.

For Watkins Glen I didn't get the tires I needed so we had to pull some camber out and nurse the tires through the second day. I really wish I had some stickers for Sunday as I was really fighting the front end after going off (bent up the front splitter).

In any event hope to see you run the Whelen TT series. What car do you have and what's your name anyway?

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Old 12-12-2012, 01:53 PM   #33
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Name is Ed, have a Porsche Turbo that used to hold a few NASA records until the local shop cars came and took them all with big Hp and Df. Car was street back then with just a few mods. Took me some time to catch up in the mod department, but it's ready to go now.

I plan to be at TWS, RA,CMP,VIR and the pending Sebring date with NARRA. If you are at any of those, I will see you there.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:08 PM   #34
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Hi Ed. It's too early to say but typically I would run the NJMP, VIR, Watkins Glen, and one other round. I have bone to pick with Road Atlanta as I never got off of wastegate boost or even had a chance to learn that track. Not easy at all!! I ran within 1 second of Reese Cox's TTR car at VIR (1:54.8) so I would like to get close his lap record at RA but you really need to know that track to set a fast time! The main issue is that I'm trying to run the Long Beach GP and the two events are only one week apart so we'll have to wait and see.

I just don't like CMP so I don't think I'll make the drive to that track. I may do the Beaver Run but again I have another series I run that's in conflict with that race.

Yeah downforce has really become the main ingredient for track records these days. I was running a double diffuser setup which worked great and dropped 1 second on a tight track. On a high speed track it's costing me more time by losing too much speed on the straights. If I had a TTR car it would matter less but I'm so HP and mod limited in NASA TTU that it's hard for me to take the next step with the car.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:18 PM   #35
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I actually took my AWD out for that very reason. The AWD in the Porsche certainly isn't worth a .5 hit on the ratio. Maybe if it had torque vectoring and all that like the GT-R it would be, but it barely sends 5% to the front. Lost some grip, but gained straight line speed from the loss of frictional drag and lost 75 lbs to go with it. And much easier to set up.

Reese's car really should be in the 51-52 range at VIR. He's faster than the Porsche cups at Road Atlanta , and well over 2 seconds slower (almost 3) at VIR. Also about a second slower than Leh Keen in the TSM GT-R on R6's at VIR while being pretty much equal at Road Atlanta with Leh on slicks. That car is buck nasty with double diffusers, 5 gallon tank for TT and crazy hp.

I started luring here after seeing some of your recaps from some of your events. Make for great reads. Keep it up!!
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:19 AM   #36
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I actually took my AWD out for that very reason. The AWD in the Porsche certainly isn't worth a .5 hit on the ratio. Maybe if it had torque vectoring and all that like the GT-R it would be, but it barely sends 5% to the front. Lost some grip, but gained straight line speed from the loss of frictional drag and lost 75 lbs to go with it. And much easier to set up.

Reese's car really should be in the 51-52 range at VIR. He's faster than the Porsche cups at Road Atlanta , and well over 2 seconds slower (almost 3) at VIR. Also about a second slower than Leh Keen in the TSM GT-R on R6's at VIR while being pretty much equal at Road Atlanta with Leh on slicks. That car is buck nasty with double diffusers, 5 gallon tank for TT and crazy hp.

I started luring here after seeing some of your recaps from some of your events. Make for great reads. Keep it up!!
Luckily with the STi it has 4 doors so it evens out the AWD penalty. My biggest hit is running non DOT tires which results in 100 whp penalty.

I think the 2 second loss for the MTI car was more about the brutal heat we had to deal with at VIR for the UTCC. Most of the big hitters tested and were all about -2 seconds a lap when is was over 100 F (turbo cars are less effected by the heat and I'm typically quicker because I can my slicks up to temp faster). I know the MTI car is claimed to have 650 whp but OMG that thing pulled 7 seconds on the back straight alone. I had to double check my boost gauge


You can see I'm quicker through the twisty stuff (lap two of this video) but Reese slowed up way more than I expected, I got too close entering 10, and it washed out my front aero and I couldn't make the turn. I blew out the left rear strut and had to run a differently valved spare for the rest of the event.

Our car is a lot quicker in the turns this year than that setup as I ran a 1:56.5 at only 495 whp but I couldn't pull away from Mark Nunally's TTS Z06 on the straights. I need to get the car to be more aero efficient and that's my goal for next season. I'm pretty sure I can take the TTU lap record back from Danny Popp which is in the mid 1:55s which is my main goal.
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LOL, was that him spinning and kicking up dirt at 6:35? Looked like a warmup lap....

If you couldn't pull Nunnally, you had to have some serious issues. Maybe too much drag overall. Big front splitters add a ton of drag. Why not run A6's and more power?
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Phil - Are you running a stock Transmission still ?
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LOL, was that him spinning and kicking up dirt at 6:35? Looked like a warmup lap....

If you couldn't pull Nunnally, you had to have some serious issues. Maybe too much drag overall. Big front splitters add a ton of drag. Why not run A6's and more power?
Yeah that was him spinning. We don't get a warm up lap in TT. LOL! You pretty much have to be running the A6, C91, or an R80, scrub like hell, and hope for the best because you will only get 1 or 2 clean laps. Honestly with the track temp at 140F it wasn't an issue getting tires up to temp.

You're right about the A6 but I don't run it because I can still win with the HP penalty. I much prefer the feel of the R80 slick or the Hankook C91 because they have super stiff sidewalls and therefore need less tire pressure. They also don't drop off after three hard laps and they overall have better performance for more heat cycles. It does require a difference suspension setup so for now I'm OK with the HP penalty.

Take a look at Mark's record TTS lap for VIR as I'm in front of him and I just ran that 1:56.5 with 495 whp.

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I know there is no warm-up lap but someone needs to tell Reese that. He's notorious for using the first green lap to scrub tires. Even with a train of cars behind him.
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