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Old 10-25-2012, 02:27 PM   #1
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Default 2014 Subaru BRZ Turbo

All kinda here-say still, but it sounds like it may be a reality here before too long.

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...ing-2014-model
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Old 10-25-2012, 03:02 PM   #2
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gonna pass.

If I wanna go really fast I ride my motorcycle.

I bet everyone wanting a turbo on the BRZ probably still won't buy one.
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:15 PM   #3
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gonna pass.

If I wanna go really fast I ride my motorcycle.
Gonna be a great riding season in 2013 Mav.
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:44 PM   #4
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Nice idea, little late on the delivery. I'd have to drive it before deciding to buy.
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:11 PM   #5
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Gonna be a great riding season in 2013 Mav.
You bet gonna be great.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:16 PM   #6
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Anything is better than last summer.


And man, I bet people will be trading in their N/A BRZ's like mad.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:51 PM   #7
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Doubtful they'll release a turbo BRZ one year after the premier of the BRZ.

Where people are mounting their aftermarket turbo kits isn't really practical for mass production anyways.

Some of us really do not care for turbocharged plumbing. I'd try a separate, extra engine built for it. That sounds fun since it wouldn't be factory-built. However, I can't imagine the cluster**** that would become the turbo BRZ if it were actually made since the car is already heavier up front at 53% and it already drives phenomenally.

I think a bump to 250HP would be sufficient if they could keep it Naturally-Aspirated. However, it already breaks loose easily at 200HP (which it doesn't actually make to the wheels), so I'm not really sure where this thought of "needs more HP" comes from. I'd rather milk as much performance out of it as possible by making it lighter and taking away everything that restricts it to get it to 200WHP.

Summation: Turbocharged BRZ = More accidents and higher insurance. No thanks.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:21 PM   #8
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^^ Would you do a staggered wheel choice for more rear traction then Chano?

I think the front mounted turbo placement is a shoe in for the BRZ. More room up front, shorter piping, already "reverse" manifold. Win win win! It's already a factory item from the 2012 Legacy GT. They still went with a TMIC though, probably due to the manifold, and the traditional hood scoop.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:28 PM   #9
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YES! If I could successfully swap my engine to be turbocharged just for giggles, then I would also stagger. Let me know which wheels you prefer.

I want to use the new 2013 Legacy DIT motor. That thing is siiiiick. Rumor has it that the FA20 DIT is going into the WRX, though.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:34 PM   #10
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And man, I bet people will be trading in their N/A BRZ's like mad.
Doubtful. Most people saying the BRZ needs a turbo, don't currently own one. And if it comes out with a turbo just like they want, they will still come up with some excuse not to buy one.

And since its a joint venture with Toyota, what does Toyota have in the works? I didn't see anything in the article about the FR-S.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:58 PM   #11
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From what I've gathered, because Toyota wants to keep the FR-S as their flagship Scion model, they're refusing to do anything extra with it. Outside of the U.S. they're all for whatever is done to the GT-86. The FR-S, however, is meant to be "cheap". If they finally killed off Scion and kept the FR-S, but released it as the GT-86, things might venture towards factory-released turbocharge.

People are forgetting that these cars were built to be AFFORDABLE RWD sports cars. Slapping a turbo on it misses the point entirely.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:09 PM   #12
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Not quite missing the point. I'm sure there would be a product line up, similar to the Impreza. (Base, WRX, STI) For the 2009 era, you had another spot in there when they decided the 08 WRX's were not what the people wanted and sold them off as the 2.5 GT.

So you take the already created platform, add the upgraded package to it, sway bars to deal with the additional weight up front since you mentioned that already, and you have a very diverse product that reached that many more consumers. It's a world car, so it only makes sense to push the development of it into the beastly STI package sooner of later.

Subaru has done well, and gained a huge following with this business model. How many of us bought STI take off parts to use for upgrades on our less performance spec models? I know A LOT of people that do this. Most of us. It could/would be the same way with the BRZ. Only this time, it's not a crappy base model Impreza L that you swap a complete drivetrain into, it's an already sporty and fun driving car.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:17 PM   #13
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^ I'm anxious to see how that model changes once the WRX is no longer an impreza.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:23 PM   #14
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The new WRX is what I've got high hopes for. I'm not in the market for a RWD sports car. Yeah I think the BRZ needs more power, but only because I think it should be able to out accelerate a Honda Accord.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:53 AM   #15
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Lighter and more powerful? hmm....
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:00 AM   #16
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While a turbocharged BRZ may make itself into the mainstream market - it definitely won't be for 2014.

Following reasoning:

A) Subaru spent a lot of money on the project and it doesn't make sense to go around and change everything a year after production... They'll want to milk the platform they have now for as much as they can... Especially since they're limiting production this year.

B) The BRZ is having issues that Subaru will want to work out before developing a different power train.

C) The BRZ transmission is actually not designed to handle the power most people are wanting from a turbo BRZ which means they literally have to redo everything.

D) That redesigned drive train will cost more money for consumers. Which like Chano said is kinda going against the whole idea of the car anyway.

E) The Subaru reps I've talked to about a turbo version have told me not to expect one for at least a few years if they decide to actually start to develop a turbo BRZ. They've confirmed Subaru is considering the idea but has not determined whether or not to move forward with it.
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:21 AM   #17
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im indifferent about the whole turbo brz and all. I say its pretty fast already.. atleast for me.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:21 PM   #18
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Can't be any worse than last year. Besides, if you REALLY wanted to go fast you wouldn't ride an FZ8, right?

j/k, those are supposed to be pretty fun bikes and it's a hell of a lot faster than my single cylinder turd
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:35 PM   #19
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C) The BRZ transmission is actually not designed to handle the power most people are wanting from a turbo BRZ which means they literally have to redo everything.
Weren't the Bugeye transmissions considered undesireable for the power? Something about "glass trannies"?

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E) The Subaru reps I've talked to about a turbo version have told me not to expect one for at least a few years if they decide to actually start to develop a turbo BRZ. They've confirmed Subaru is considering the idea but has not determined whether or not to move forward with it.
Not to say you are wrong, HOWEVER there were many Subaru reps that were denying the next gen LGT would have a Turbo stateside, or rather it was fairly slim. After a member and I saw a couple we learned a few reps knew about it, but were sworn to not mention anything till Subaru did. Basically, the rep you have spoken to might or might not know, but I doubt they'd share anything.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:06 PM   #20
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Weren't the Bugeye transmissions considered undesireable for the power? Something about "glass trannies"?

Not to say you are wrong, HOWEVER there were many Subaru reps that were denying the next gen LGT would have a Turbo stateside, or rather it was fairly slim. After a member and I saw a couple we learned a few reps knew about it, but were sworn to not mention anything till Subaru did. Basically, the rep you have spoken to might or might not know, but I doubt they'd share anything.
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http://kaizenfactor.wordpress.com/20...e-know-so-far/

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For those of you who are looking forward to turbo or supercharge your BRZ / FR-S / GT 86 via the aftermarket, however, we must remind you of a crucial caveat that appears on the second photo of this article: “Medium Torque Capacity RWD 6-Speed Manual transmission (AZ6)”. A cursory glance at all the vehicles that have used the Aisin AZ6 reveals that the torquiest of the lot is the S15 Nissan Silvia Spec-R, producing 202 lb/ft. All other AZ6 users produced somewhere between 124 and 163 lb/ft of torque, with stock BRZ / FR-S / GT 86 rated at 151 lb/ft. Notably, when the North American market demanded a manual transmission option for the Lexus IS 300 and its 2JZ-GE 3-liter inline 6′s 218 lb/ft of torque, the Aisin AZ6 (or J160 in Toyotaspeak) was deemed to be too weak. Instead, a W55 variant of the W58 5-speed manual from the naturally-aspirated Toyota Supra and Lexus SC 300 was used. Thus, it’ll be quite interesting to see what Subaru and Toyota engineers would do for a possible future manual supercharged or turbocharged FT-86 variant.
As far as spoilers from my contacts... I believe him. If Subaru is doing some secret project they are keeping it under enough that even our district sales rep doesn't know..And I don't think he would lie to me if he did know. Which means... It probably isn't happening for 2014.

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Old 11-01-2012, 09:42 PM   #21
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im indifferent about the whole turbo brz and all. I say its pretty fast already.. atleast for me.
How fast is fast?
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As far as spoilers from my contacts... I believe him. If Subaru is doing some secret project they are keeping it under enough that even our district sales rep doesn't know..And I don't think he would lie to me if he did know. Which means... It probably isn't happening for 2014.
That's fine by me, believe him if you want. I was simply stating at the time our district rep had no clue of any upcoming LGT Turbo's, let alone ANY info on the new generation. And only after reporting our findings did we get wind that Subaru would like to have that information removed from the web, to the point a SoA R&D rep contacted us, asked kindly to remove the info we posted, etc.. I recall something about him not being allowed to release info till after a certain time.

In short... IF a turbo version is coming, and any Subaru reps know, they wont be divulging anything until Subaru allows it. Regardless if they are a friend or a family member. More than likely any "sales reps" wouldn't know of anything yet. HOWEVER that is not to say Subyota isn't working on something.

As for the tranny... the article also stated that Toyota already has one capable of handling the power in its parts bin, so R&D would be minimal IMHO.

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Old 11-01-2012, 10:31 PM   #23
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How fast is fast?
True that. I feel my STi is slow...
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:56 PM   #24
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How fast is fast?
Fast enough to get tickets !
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:44 PM   #25
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Fast enough to get tickets !
Ive gotten pulled over in the Tribeca for speeding several times. Zero in the STi. Im looking forward to higher horsepower brz. I think a supercharger would be more my speed though.
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