Outfront Motorsports Closed-Deck Torture Test - Page 4

mlitz · 12-05-2012, 12:49 PM

any updates?

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02rex62 · 12-05-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TehSubaruHasAPosse

I may have missed it but what has Manley change in the "new" rod design

+1 I'd like to know also!

spoolinsti05 · 12-05-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 02rex62

+1 I'd like to know also!

Yea I'd like to know this also as I'm running the old Manley's. Are they lighter? Like the new pistons? If so are they weaker like Phil from ET said is possible with the new pistons?

Did you ask out front to CNC another block without cutting the already weak notched section's for case bolts? Sorry If it doesn't make sense I know I post "false info" LMAO

SW00P_G · 12-05-2012, 04:28 PM

Am I missing something with this. But someone asked if you could do this to a sleeved block and you said it would be a waste but....................

Once the process is complete with the bore and hone job, haven't you already reduced the tiny stock liner to a weaker state? I just don't see how this is going to help anything. On the other hand I am very interested to see the results.

KillerRabbit · 12-05-2012, 07:12 PM

Reading all this makes we wonder if my block will hold up.

Slow5oh · 12-05-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerRabbit

Reading all this makes we wonder if my block will hold up.

Same here, especially when the new owner is having problems right after the first start up.

KillerRabbit · 12-06-2012, 12:00 AM

I bought a S&R Performance Closed Deck Stage 2.5 block, has the similar design but i wonder about this block after seeing this thread.

SW00P_G · 12-06-2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Slow5oh

Same here, especially when the new owner is having problems right after the first start up.

Don't hold back, this is the thread to talk about it. What did you see? Let Crystal know what to look out for.

Crystal_Imprezav · 12-06-2012, 11:14 AM

Yes curious what problems you had? I am just waiting on rods to get this thing together.

spoolinsti05 · 12-07-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SW00P_G

Don't hold back, this is the thread to talk about it. What did you see? Let Crystal know what to look out for.

For real this is a "Public Forum" guy's. People may hate on you for talking about it but you know what if that's the case they shouldn't leave you in that position.

If you want to continue going to the builder then you may keep quite. But honestly If you have an issue start looking for someone new!

SplatWRX · 12-08-2012, 09:33 PM

[whisper]HoneyBager?[/whisper]

spoolinsti05 · 12-10-2012, 12:07 AM

< Makes honey badger care!

Crystal_Imprezav · 12-10-2012, 12:13 PM

I asked Micah about them, we chatted a little but I haven't heard back from him yet. I have some old Manley H-Beams on reserve if I can't find another sponsor for the rods. I am also contacting Manely tonight about possibly testing the new lighter turbo-tuffs so I will update once I know.

aboothman · 12-10-2012, 12:39 PM

I would say that for the purpose of this test, you should go with what you know, and what will not break the bank.

Homemade WRX · 12-11-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Imprezav

I asked Micah about them, we chatted a little but I haven't heard back from him yet. I have some old Manley H-Beams on reserve if I can't find another sponsor for the rods. I am also contacting Manely tonight about possibly testing the new lighter turbo-tuffs so I will update once I know.

I actually am playing catch up right now and owe you an email still. It hasn't slipped my mind

-Micah

3MI Racing · 12-11-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Imprezav

I asked Micah about them, we chatted a little but I haven't heard back from him yet. I have some old Manley H-Beams on reserve if I can't find another sponsor for the rods. I am also contacting Manely tonight about possibly testing the new lighter turbo-tuffs so I will update once I know.

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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX

I actually am playing catch up right now and owe you an email still. It hasn't slipped my mind

Oh and when you send work related things to my personal email, it takes longer to respond

Crystal_Imprezav · 12-11-2012, 04:10 PM

Would be stoked to try them out. I actually saw a set of the old Cosworth rods at the machine shop the other day and couldn't believe how light they were.

Crystal_Imprezav · 12-13-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SplatWRX

[whisper]HoneyBager?[/whisper]

On the way

Homemade WRX · 12-13-2012, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SplatWRX

[whisper]HoneyBager?[/whisper]

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Imprezav

On the way

Not Honey Badger. I don't want those getting confused with the 4340 VAR drop-in rods which are on the way to Jeff...tonight.

The Honey Badger has numerous dimensional changes, are 300M, etc...require special pistons and such.

Matty_STi · 12-13-2012, 05:31 PM

You should make a thread about the differences between the two rods, with lots of pictures, and numbers, and graphs. All that engineering nerdgasmic stuff we all love so much!!!

3MI Racing · 12-14-2012, 10:24 AM

Well there isn't really a ton to say about them nor graph.

The Honey Badger rod is paired with it's pistons. It is a 'proprietary' design, if you want to think of it in that way. The rod is 132.5mm and made in 300M and uses my standard 3/8" L19 rod bolt. This is done to get weight down on the rod and out of the piston via pushing it to a 28.7mm compression height. I then use a smaller 9310 (tool steel) pin. This saves pin weight also and leaves me a touch more ringland than using the standard 23 mm pin. That's the jist of why the change in the rod. It wasn't designed to take a nuclear bomb but to be a nicely refined EJ257 for guys running 35R territory power. IIRC, the rods are 516 or 517 grams.
***Note that I don't use a 132.5mm rod on a 79mm stroke crank and use the marketing ploy of calling it a long rod, like some shops do. It isn't a long rod!! I save that term for the 134.5mm rod on the 75mm crank.

The 4340 rod that Jeff is getting is designed to work with your normal off-the-shelf piston. It was designed for more power than the HoneyBadger. Weight is 544 grams and uses the same bolt.

I have numerous other rods out there; from 490 gram rods for serious auto-x use to destroked rods speced for 1200 hp and 10,000 RPM with a 555 gram piston package (beefy pins and piston for that app)...reasons I actually need to give my horribly neglected website some time. Heck, the facebook page doesn't even get much love

But now we are way off topic for this thread!!

Oh and Jeff, send the pics over that we talked about on the phone.

stretchedk7 · 12-14-2012, 10:50 AM

wish i woulda talked to you or mps for my latest build. would have tried a new combo rather than my old turbo tuff/cp combo i have been using.

Layvon · 12-14-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stretchedk7

wish i woulda talked to you or mps for my latest build. would have tried a new combo rather than my old turbo tuff/cp combo i have been using.

+1.. I haven't had any issues with my short block but some documented awesomeness would have been nice to know. I should have been on the built motor threads for a few more months.

stretchedk7 · 12-14-2012, 01:26 PM

i dont suspect any issues with my combo but would ne nice to have beefier wrist pins and possibly a lighter combo if its even possible. the tt rods are very tough.

Jdub.csu · 12-14-2012, 02:14 PM

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12-14-2012, 10:24 AM	#96
3MI Racing NASIOC Vendor Member#: 200987 Join Date: Jan 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: VA	Well there isn't really a ton to say about them nor graph. The Honey Badger rod is paired with it's pistons. It is a 'proprietary' design, if you want to think of it in that way. The rod is 132.5mm and made in 300M and uses my standard 3/8" L19 rod bolt. This is done to get weight down on the rod and out of the piston via pushing it to a 28.7mm compression height. I then use a smaller 9310 (tool steel) pin. This saves pin weight also and leaves me a touch more ringland than using the standard 23 mm pin. That's the jist of why the change in the rod. It wasn't designed to take a nuclear bomb but to be a nicely refined EJ257 for guys running 35R territory power. IIRC, the rods are 516 or 517 grams. **Note that I don't use a 132.5mm rod on a 79mm stroke crank and use the marketing ploy of calling it a long rod, like some shops do. It isn't a long rod!! I save that term for the 134.5mm rod on the 75mm crank. The 4340 rod that Jeff is getting is designed to work with your normal off-the-shelf piston. It was designed for more power than the HoneyBadger. Weight is 544 grams and uses the same bolt. I have numerous other rods out there; from 490 gram rods for serious auto-x use to destroked rods speced for 1200 hp and 10,000 RPM with a 555 gram piston package (beefy pins and piston for that app)...reasons I actually need to give my horribly neglected website some time. Heck, the facebook page doesn't even get much love But now we are way off topic for this thread!! Oh and Jeff, send the pics over that we talked about on the phone. Last edited by 3MI Racing; 12-14-2012 at 10:48 AM.*

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12-05-2012, 12:49 PM	#76
mlitz Scooby Newbie Member#: 293571 Join Date: Sep 2011 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 1997 Legacy GT Murdered	any updates? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

12-05-2012, 04:28 PM	#79
SW00P_G Scooby Specialist Member#: 5591 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Westerville, Ohio, USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX EJ257 Gt35r	Am I missing something with this. But someone asked if you could do this to a sleeved block and you said it would be a waste but.................... Once the process is complete with the bore and hone job, haven't you already reduced the tiny stock liner to a weaker state? I just don't see how this is going to help anything. On the other hand I am very interested to see the results.

12-05-2012, 07:12 PM	#80
KillerRabbit Scooby Newbie Member#: 184772 Join Date: Jul 2008 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Conway, Arkansas Vehicle: 2004 Crazy Slow WRX World Rally Blue	Reading all this makes we wonder if my block will hold up.

12-06-2012, 12:00 AM	#82
KillerRabbit Scooby Newbie Member#: 184772 Join Date: Jul 2008 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Conway, Arkansas Vehicle: 2004 Crazy Slow WRX World Rally Blue	I bought a S&R Performance Closed Deck Stage 2.5 block, has the similar design but i wonder about this block after seeing this thread.

12-06-2012, 11:14 AM	#84
Crystal_Imprezav Scooby Specialist Member#: 84105 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: I'm a Newbie Vehicle: 2005 Super Slow STi CGM	Yes curious what problems you had? I am just waiting on rods to get this thing together.

12-08-2012, 09:33 PM	#86
SplatWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 85932 Join Date: Apr 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Cincinnati's West Side Vehicle: 2005 STi / 2013 STi 2005 Forester XTi	[whisper]HoneyBager?[/whisper]

12-10-2012, 12:07 AM	#87
spoolinsti05 Scooby Specialist Member#: 108051 Join Date: Feb 2006 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NY Vehicle: 2005 TickingTimeBomb Jr tuned TT Sleeved	< Makes honey badger care!

12-10-2012, 12:13 PM	#88
Crystal_Imprezav Scooby Specialist Member#: 84105 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: I'm a Newbie Vehicle: 2005 Super Slow STi CGM	I asked Micah about them, we chatted a little but I haven't heard back from him yet. I have some old Manley H-Beams on reserve if I can't find another sponsor for the rods. I am also contacting Manely tonight about possibly testing the new lighter turbo-tuffs so I will update once I know.

12-10-2012, 12:39 PM	#89
aboothman Scooby Specialist Member#: 127745 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Humboldt County Vehicle: 06 WRX 30r 6 speed 99L EJ255 6 Speed	I would say that for the purpose of this test, you should go with what you know, and what will not break the bank.

12-11-2012, 04:10 PM	#92
Crystal_Imprezav Scooby Specialist Member#: 84105 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: I'm a Newbie Vehicle: 2005 Super Slow STi CGM	Would be stoked to try them out. I actually saw a set of the old Cosworth rods at the machine shop the other day and couldn't believe how light they were.

12-13-2012, 05:31 PM	#95
Matty_STi Scooby Newbie Member#: 333602 Join Date: Sep 2012	You should make a thread about the differences between the two rods, with lots of pictures, and numbers, and graphs. All that engineering nerdgasmic stuff we all love so much!!!

12-14-2012, 10:50 AM	#97
stretchedk7 Scooby Guru Member#: 170602 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: j-ville fl Vehicle: 06 Wrx 6Spd TSBorg Warner S400-Aem-2200s	wish i woulda talked to you or mps for my latest build. would have tried a new combo rather than my old turbo tuff/cp combo i have been using.

12-14-2012, 01:26 PM	#99
stretchedk7 Scooby Guru Member#: 170602 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: j-ville fl Vehicle: 06 Wrx 6Spd TSBorg Warner S400-Aem-2200s	i dont suspect any issues with my combo but would ne nice to have beefier wrist pins and possibly a lighter combo if its even possible. the tt rods are very tough.

12-14-2012, 02:14 PM	#100
Jdub.csu NASIOC Supporter Member#: 283784 Join Date: May 2011 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Vehicle: 2012 SWP WRX HATCH White	Subscribed for future info