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Old 04-07-2013, 11:06 PM   #251
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I have no idea but do the Z06 transmissions break often?
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:38 PM   #252
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Yes. T56's break.
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:45 PM   #253
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But a lot of them don't offer anything else either beyond a stick (i.e. Z06, ZR1, Viper), so it's not like they saved the manual for the enthusiast variant of some model. For whatever reason, a lot of those may not even have a DCT anyway, whether it's because they want to keep the sticker price low by having a simpler, less expensive transmission (rather than having to fund the development of a new one) or if the cars are just so torquey to begin with that existing DCTs within their reach may not be able to handle that quantity of twisting force over such a broad rpm range.
There are 1200hp PDK, GTR, and e-gear cars. The big three could muster up a design to hold strong.

Corvette & Viper basically have the same transmission. Development costs wouldn't be very high. They could even go with a PDK or e-gear style which is basically the same manual transmission with a hydraulic operated clutch/s.

However, Dodge has always marketed the Viper as "raw" and GM is lazy. So I highly doubt we will se anything but a standard manual in the two and a basic 6/auto for the standard Corvette.
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:24 AM   #254
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GM is lazy.
Sums it up. Regarding more topics than this.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:11 AM   #255
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lol you guys crack me up.

Drove an automatic Corvette C6 (2005) -- loved it
I also own a 2004 STi -- love it

Yeah manual vs automatic vs paddle shifters are all completely different experiences... But if you drive any of them and think "this isn't fun" you really need to step back and just enjoy what you're doing with the car.

With an auto you can focus a lot more on things that honestly make you faster. Hitting apexes, managing body roll and weight throw on the car.

I would love to try any dual-clutch paddle shifting transmission. I feel like you'd get the best of both worlds.
- user determined gear selection
- consistently quick shifts
- time to focus on other aspects of driving

Some guys nailed it early on in the thread. Paddle shifters and dual-clutch systems are going to be the way forward in the future. I mean really you don't hear anyone complaining about these "new fangled fuel-injected engines, bring back carburetors!" (except for almost all of American muscle car owners... who also happen to be blindly stuck on lots of things like RWD only, solid rear axles, leaf springs ... and manuals)

Really though, expand your horizons and give it a shot. Like I said I've had fun driving both a manual and automatic and I look forward to trying a nice dual clutch design... might even go with an EVO X one of these days before they stop making them. Can't say for sure but I bet it'll still be a ****-show of a good time too.
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:57 AM   #256
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Yes. T56's break.
Lol, not nearly as much as the GT-Rs that are used as track rats.
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:16 AM   #257
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I am not really mad at this anymore, I have come to accept it as the way things are going. The population as a whole is not geared toward enthusiast driving in any way. Most have accepted computers taking a larger and larger bit of control of their lives. Which is a sign of the times, and cannot be reversed. I get that.

Some say my Golf R in Europe spec is a better car with the DSG. It certainly put up better numbers than the manual I have, but not surprisingly, I would disagree.

I know you guys tire endlessly of me ranting about my love of manuals, and I want to offer a sincere thanks for putting up with me. This is not my forum and I do more than my share of polluting it, so thanks for giving me an outlet to express my, old timer opinions.

Having said that, I just rejetted my Datsun 240Z's triple weber CARBURETORS last night and now I am going to take a morning drive and burn up some dead dinos.
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Your carburetors: I hate them.
reason: carburetor


typical Miura problem, the car could handle wot very well, but if you drive slowly with it, the gas starts to boil in the carburetors.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:06 AM   #258
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Um.. yeah, Carb problem not found.

That was not a problem with the Weber carb, that was a problem designed in by lamb...

the weber DCOE is probably one of the best carbs ever made. I would put it up there with the Holley 4150, or even the Carter which is really just a fancy Rochester with all the stupid engineered out.

Again, you are blaming the carb, when it was the stupid manufacturer who did not place adequate heat shielding. Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa, even Ford etc never seemed to have any issues with webers. In fact, in the 70s' and early 80's Porsche world, it was common to remove the FI and install webers for a significant HP increase...

The more you know
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:11 AM   #259
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In fact, in the 70s' and early 80's Porsche world, it was common to remove the FI and install webers for a significant HP increase...

The more you know
30-40 years ago I could put leaded gas in my car too...for less than a $1 a gallon.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:36 AM   #260
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What is your point?

I never said that carbs were superior to modern day Direct Injected systems. But they were more than a match for any FI system in the 70's and 80's in terms of making power. Fuel economy, um, not so much. They will never match Fuel Economy of Fuel Injection, but anybody who is driving a car with set of triple webers or mikuni's does not really give a flip about economy. Having said that though, a properly set of triple webers on a 240Z will easily get well over 20 mpg combined driving.

I find that most people react to carbs out of blatant ignorance. A properly adjusted set of carbs is a joy to drive. It just takes a bit of skill and mechanical know how and thought. But these days that is in VERY short supply.

Fuel injection is great now, and people should not go back. But at the same time, I believe a classic car should never modified to add fuel injection either. It is part of the character of the car.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:57 AM   #261
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What is your point?
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:08 PM   #262
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The biggest problem with DSG is that it is SEQUENTIAL and cannot randomly access any gear like 6 and directly into 2. It as to go through every gear so there is a pause before it will go. Many GT-R owners have complained about this "Pause" BMW claims to be introducing a DSG that can do this. Should be interesting
Keep in mind the new 7 and 8 speed trans go through gears faster than u can shift manually. Rev limiters save from blown engines.
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:27 PM   #263
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Please tel me why sir? Seriously, I think they are by far the easiest and most fun carb to tune I have ever had the pleasure of using...and I have learned to run a GREAT MANY of carbs.
I actually had no basis for that comment. I was just upset that I haven't hated on you in a long while. You need to say more disagreeable things, please and thank you!

Paddle shifters in a non-sporty car are silly. Fun for a minute, then useless after a while. I always wondered how often I would've used them in an automatic BRZ?
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:55 PM   #264
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Walking/running is the most engaging mode of transportaion, imo. To heck with all your fancy shift knobs and DSG this, automatic that.......
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:25 PM   #265
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crawling would put more of you in contact with the ground. You disconnected elitest. lol
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:43 PM   #266
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I can't find the video, but it's of a GT-R running damn near the same E.T. at the drag strip several times in a row. A pricey bracket racer.

-Set launch control
-push brake pedal, push gas pedal
-release brake pedal
-Profit!

So if anything, the DCT's are consistent.

My auto Z28 was a fun drag racer, but difficult as hell to launch even with proper drag slicks. My times were all over the place.

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Old 04-21-2013, 03:22 AM   #267
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:30 AM   #268
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I dunno... the 2004 was pretty ****ty.. and saying yours is better than a 2012.. well, maybe if you consider atrocious ride quality and looking more like a 1990s Hyundai a virtue.
Wait why are the 04's ****ty I don't think mine is.
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:58 AM   #269
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What was the point of this ****ty video?
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