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Old 11-06-2012, 10:29 AM   #76
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Technology moves on without you, no matter how loudly you complain.
Let it progress, but alienating an entire segment of drivers by not offering a true 3-pedal manual is silly. I guess the days of "this car is being advertised as strictly a performance car so it's only offered in manual" are over.
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:47 AM   #77
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Let it progress, but alienating an entire segment of drivers by not offering a true 3-pedal manual is silly. I guess the days of "this car is being advertised as strictly a performance car so it's only offered in manual" are over.
But until they kill off the manual transmission, particularly in certain sports car applications, then they're not alienating "enthusiasts." The cars not available with manuals are usually larger, heavier cars with really torquey engines... i.e. GT-R, M5, AMGs, etc.

Besides, much of the enthusiast crowd with the funds to buy the car in discussion still takes their business to their local Porsche dealership instead and buys a 911, which still gets a manual. Same thing with the M3 and a host of other cars that are clearly more sporty feeling from the get-go.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:31 PM   #78
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Let it progress, but alienating an entire segment of drivers by not offering a true 3-pedal manual is silly. I guess the days of "this car is being advertised as strictly a performance car so it's only offered in manual" are over.
It's not silly when you're the one taking the loss by producing cars people don't want. "An entire segment of drivers" is a nice attempt to make manual transmission demanding consumers sound like a large demographic, though. Nissan's not losing any sleep or sales over not offering a manual GTR.

I'm up in the air on what my next car will be. Like I said, I've only ever owned a manual but if there's a car out there that ticks all the other boxes I want and comes with flappy paddles, I'd consider it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:40 PM   #79
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It's like anything else, progress occurs and people who stubbornly cling to their manual gearboxes will be too old to drive or dead. Then the DCT generation will bitch and moan about the next technological innovation taking away from the rawness of driving, because progress sucks and they never experienced progress in their lives.
And eventually all cars sold will drive everyone to and from their destination while they sit in the back and pig out on Cheetos, see what the Tardashians are up to, and update Bookface. Progress!


If I were in the market for a GTR I would prefer a manual but probably wouldn't buy it even if it did have one. I'd do like others have said and go buy a Porsche.

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Old 11-06-2012, 01:25 PM   #80
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And eventually all cars sold will drive everyone to and from their destination while they sit in the back and pig out on Cheetos, see what the Tardashians are up to, and update Bookface. Progress!


If I were in the market for a GTR I would prefer a manual but probably wouldn't buy it even if it did have one. I'd do like others have said and go buy a Porsche.
Exactly. Almost no one here's shopping for a GTR but they'll tell you exactly how Nissan should make it to better suit their requirements.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:35 PM   #81
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Let it progress, but alienating an entire segment of drivers by not offering a true 3-pedal manual is silly. I guess the days of "this car is being advertised as strictly a performance car so it's only offered in manual" are over.
One thing to remember about manuals, is that they tend to be the fastest option available on $50k range and below performance cars. If there's no manual then you usually get a slushbox (and you can't argue that that's a good thing.) That could change but I kinda doubt it.

There are a few automated manuals available in the low end of the market now (VW Golf, Mitsubishi EVO come to mind) but they're not cheap and I believe they're more clunky than what you find in your average supercar. VW's seems good to me but many seem to hate it.

It will be a while before they're smooth and affordable enough to make real headway into the lower end performance car market. Or normal car market for that matter. When you're talking lower end sports cars or normal cars, automated manuals seem to lose out to the newer slushbox autos.. for bettor or for worse (worse.) CVTs are even stealing their thunder *cough*subaru*cough* yikes.

I think the bulk of the dual clutches etc. will stay in supercar territory for the foreseeable future, and we'll have to keep dealing with 3 pedals in our poor-mans sporty cars if we want to have the fastest thingy.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:42 PM   #82
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Yes, I've driven a 2011 GTR, every car I have ever owned has been a manual and I still think the GTR has the proper drivetrain for the car. Obviously classic sportscar feel wasn't their target when they designed a 3,800lb, 500hp AWD monster. I seriously can't fathom why some people can't understand that basic concept.

This is it, people complaining about manual transmissions in a GT-R need to read this post over and over and over and over and over again.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:54 PM   #83
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This is it, people complaining about manual transmissions in a GT-R need to read this post over and over and over and over and over again.
be sure to separate those saying Nissan should make a manual vs those of us saying why we won't buy the GT-R
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:03 PM   #84
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There are a few automated manuals available in the low end of the market now (VW Golf, Mitsubishi EVO come to mind) but they're not cheap and I believe they're more clunky than what you find in your average supercar. VW's seems good to me but many seem to hate it.
They're actually pretty good and not so clunky. I remember reading a review of the Evo MR's dual clutch, and the reviewer said it was the best one they had ever used, which included that reviewer's experience with a GT-R, among other cars. That's not to say that they're perfect though.
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The car would be ruined with a manual trans, along with a lot of broken gearboxes/clutches/axles from "real drivers" launching the 4k car wrong.
I dont think you would find a current GTR owner that wishes it was manual. People that buy GTRs don't buy them because they want a nibble sports car, they buy them because they want to have an ultimate "FAST" car in pretty much every sort of racing situation and a comfy easy to drive street car.

When you have guys like EJ Viso who drive Forumla One cars for a living, buying a GTR and and loving it, I think Nissan did a good job with its choices on gearbox etc.

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I like how the GTR keeps evolving. Kudos to Nissan.
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Yep. I usually agree with Scrappy but I feel he's being a little hypocritical here. He's always all over GM for continuing with the pushrod V8 because of it's out of date architecture and technology yet when it comes to transmissions, state of the art technology all of a sudden doesn't matter.

DCT's are the present and future and represent the best automakers have to offer in their sports car offerings. Pretty soon you won't be able to get a Ferrari with a manual transmission. Sure this trend may bother young drivers that have just learned to drive their first stick and older guys that don't like change but it is what it is. Besides the manual will still be around for a while in entry to mid level cars at least until the price of DCT's comes down to the point they are viable in lesser expensive cars.
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There is a difference between out of date and inferior.

A manual transmission is not out of date. It is just different. In fact it offers a more interactive and less automated driving experience. So in some very important ways, it is superior. Depends on what your metric is for comparison.

15 years ago not a single journalist would have ever sung the praises of an automated gear box of any kind. 10 years ago not a single journalist would have said they prefer an automated gear box over the feel and involvement of a manual. 5 years ago we started to see a real push to complimenting DSG's. I remember reading a phrase in a magazine about 5-6 years ago that said the car would be better with an automated gearbox. The acceptance was slow, but constant and evolving. Magazines have allowed them to go from acceptable to start knocking on the door of preferable. Funny how some people believe everything they read.

The slow acceptance of the automated gearboxes has happened right before my eyes, driven by a generation of kids who grew up in the back of SUV's, and automatic camrys who never saw a stick shift and relied on XBOX and Playstation for car reviews. They learned to drive in their daddies blazer, or their moms accord.

This is a gross generalization of course, but for the most part, the folks in favor of DSG's always tout the same meaningless points. They say it is newer and faster. And what can you argue, both of those points are very true. So I never argue those points.

But what they will never get to say, is that a DSG is more involving, or more fun than a 3 pedal setup. And that fact alone I know burns them to no end. That is why DSG guys get so pissy and defensive about those of us who say a car would be more fun and more interactive as a manual.

Why does it piss them off? Oh that is easy...

The first reason is that they know we are right and it irritates them. To combat this they say we are dinosaurs and are holding on to old technology to try to make themselves feel better for driving a video game car. Deep inside they know a manual is more fun, but they try so very hard to convince themselves they are not missing out on anything, when they know they are. Just sad. But to each their own.

The second reason, is that they may not even know how to drive a manual, and they feel somehow left out of the fun. So what do they do? They raise up the 'DSG is faster' flag as if that meant anything at all in the real world for a passenger car.

Who is getting more pissed off on this board. The manual guys are simply saying they prefer driving a car with three pedals because it is more fun and interactive. They are not saying the GTR is a bad car, or a waste or a sham.

The only people getting defensive are the pro GTR DSG guys who have to result to insults to defend a car that nobody was insulting in the first place. Who is touchy here? Not me. Not any of the other 3 pedal crew. I know exactly what Nissan is doing with the GTR. It is not a pure drivers car. It was to built to be a magazine numbers generating machine. And that is fine. They sell every single one of them. Hello Profit.

Enough about this. I apologize for continuing to argue with people who obviously do not value the same things I do.
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But when those comments are made in EVERY thread involving the GT-R, M5, or whatever car that is now offered with a dual-clutch, it gets old. It's invetiable for a thread to talk about a car and be followed by someone chiming in with some "One more nail in the coffin for the manual transmission" remark.
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I think we are past the nails now.

I think we are more along the lines of one more scoop of dirt
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While I may have not had the liberty to drive a GTR, I am a valet, and have driven countless dual clutch and single clutch auto's, and just in general fast automatics. I've driven ferrari's, amg's, bmw's, you name it. But there manual counterparts are much more of a privelage to drive. My best comparison are m3's since they are commonly found in both forms, and like I said, I get excited when a manual pulls up, an auto.. meh.. It's not always about the numbers or the speed, while it is nice, if I can get to 60 in 3.x seconds in a manual, I think that's plenty for the street for me.
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LOL, you do REALIZE the 2013 GTR is a ~$100k vehicle, correct? You don't go to work in the GTR, you go to your career in your GTR. There's a difference. ;D That scraps guy can whine about the GTR not having a manual all he wants, it's not like Nissan is going to listen to him QQ until he can even afford a GTR.

It's hilarious because there are some GTR owners coming here and looking at this thread. They're laughing their ass off at the people complaining when it's obviously a vehicle they can't even afford to begin with let alone a couple of Subaru owners complaining about a car from Nissan.
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While I may have not had the liberty to drive a GTR, I am a valet, and have driven countless dual clutch and single clutch auto's, and just in general fast automatics. I've driven ferrari's, amg's, bmw's, you name it. But there manual counterparts are much more of a privelage to drive. My best comparison are m3's since they are commonly found in both forms, and like I said, I get excited when a manual pulls up, an auto.. meh.. It's not always about the numbers or the speed, while it is nice, if I can get to 60 in 3.x seconds in a manual, I think that's plenty for the street for me.
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There is a difference between out of date and inferior.

A manual transmission is not out of date. It is just different. In fact it offers a more interactive and less automated driving experience. So in some very important ways, it is superior. Depends on what your metric is for comparison.

15 years ago not a single journalist would have ever sung the praises of an automated gear box of any kind. 10 years ago not a single journalist would have said they prefer an automated gear box over the feel and involvement of a manual. 5 years ago we started to see a real push to complimenting DSG's. I remember reading a phrase in a magazine about 5-6 years ago that said the car would be better with an automated gearbox. The acceptance was slow, but constant and evolving. Magazines have allowed them to go from acceptable to start knocking on the door of preferable. Funny how some people believe everything they read.

The slow acceptance of the automated gearboxes has happened right before my eyes, driven by a generation of kids who grew up in the back of SUV's, and automatic camrys who never saw a stick shift and relied on XBOX and Playstation for car reviews. They learned to drive in their daddies blazer, or their moms accord.

This is a gross generalization of course, but for the most part, the folks in favor of DSG's always tout the same meaningless points. They say it is newer and faster. And what can you argue, both of those points are very true. So I never argue those points.

But what they will never get to say, is that a DSG is more involving, or more fun than a 3 pedal setup. And that fact alone I know burns them to no end. That is why DSG guys get so pissy and defensive about those of us who say a car would be more fun and more interactive as a manual.

Why does it piss them off? Oh that is easy...

The first reason is that they know we are right and it irritates them. To combat this they say we are dinosaurs and are holding on to old technology to try to make themselves feel better for driving a video game car. Deep inside they know a manual is more fun, but they try so very hard to convince themselves they are not missing out on anything, when they know they are. Just sad. But to each their own.

The second reason, is that they may not even know how to drive a manual, and they feel somehow left out of the fun. So what do they do? They raise up the 'DSG is faster' flag as if that meant anything at all in the real world for a passenger car.

Who is getting more pissed off on this board. The manual guys are simply saying they prefer driving a car with three pedals because it is more fun and interactive. They are not saying the GTR is a bad car, or a waste or a sham.

The only people getting defensive are the pro GTR DSG guys who have to result to insults to defend a car that nobody was insulting in the first place. Who is touchy here? Not me. Not any of the other 3 pedal crew. I know exactly what Nissan is doing with the GTR. It is not a pure drivers car. It was to built to be a magazine numbers generating machine. And that is fine. They sell every single one of them. Hello Profit.

Enough about this. I apologize for continuing to argue with people who obviously do not value the same things I do.
Thanks, Hip.

Seriously, though. Keep the "Save the manuals!" diatribes for a car that, you know, ever actually came with a manual or was ever even remotely designed to possibly accomodate one, ever, ever. The GTR is not that car so you're barking up the wrong tree here.

You might as well tell them it should have been RWD because you consider to be more superior and enjoyable rather than having TC and AWD "video game" aids. It's just silly at this point.
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Comparisson metric is always ALWAYS the same when considering super cars: straight up performance. Period.
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LOL, you do REALIZE the 2013 GTR is a ~$100k vehicle, correct? You don't go to work in the GTR, you go to your career in your GTR. There's a difference. ;D That scraps guy can whine about the GTR not having a manual all he wants, it's not like Nissan is going to listen to him QQ until he can even afford a GTR.

It's hilarious because there are some GTR owners coming here and looking at this thread. They're laughing their ass off at the people complaining when it's obviously a vehicle they can't even afford to begin with let alone a couple of Subaru owners complaining about a car from Nissan.
Pretty sure Scappy can afford a GT-R, and I know I can... so best to actually know what you are talking about first.

From my own perspective though as stated if I was going for lap times, yes I would have a DSG, and have had a sequential box as well (Which was fun in its own right). But when I am driving just for fun, I prefer the old style of a manual. It doesn't mean that I think the GT-R isn't r built the way it should be, just not what I prefer.
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The first reason is that they know we are right and it irritates them. To combat this they say we are dinosaurs and are holding on to old technology to try to make themselves feel better for driving a video game car. Deep inside they know a manual is more fun, but they try so very hard to convince themselves they are not missing out on anything, when they know they are. Just sad. But to each their own.

The second reason, is that they may not even know how to drive a manual, and they feel somehow left out of the fun. So what do they do? They raise up the 'DSG is faster' flag as if that meant anything at all in the real world for a passenger car.

Who is getting more pissed off on this board. The manual guys are simply saying they prefer driving a car with three pedals because it is more fun and interactive. They are not saying the GTR is a bad car, or a waste or a sham.

The only people getting defensive are the pro GTR DSG guys who have to result to insults to defend a car that nobody was insulting in the first place. Who is touchy here? Not me. Not any of the other 3 pedal crew. I know exactly what Nissan is doing with the GTR. It is not a pure drivers car. It was to built to be a magazine numbers generating machine. And that is fine. They sell every single one of them. Hello Profit.

Enough about this. I apologize for continuing to argue with people who obviously do not value the same things I do.
Guys that own GTRs don't really miss a traditional manual trans or have a car that has one. Go on the GTR board and look for the guys bitching about the lack of a manual though, they don't own them.

I like your 2nd reason, your arguing that they use the excuse that it is faster, and know its a fact.. Not an excuse then is it? Its actually faster..

The guys saying its more fun to drive a manual, probably have not driven an actual fast car around a track. Big difference controlling a manual 600+hp rwd/awd car then a 300hp subaru.

The guys driving GTRs and another fast "expensive" autos are the guys that are going fast, not trying to go fast.

What would I know though, I only post from my ACTUAL first hand experience.
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LOL, you do REALIZE the 2013 GTR is a ~$100k vehicle, correct? You don't go to work in the GTR, you go to your career in your GTR. There's a difference. ;D That scraps guy can whine about the GTR not having a manual all he wants, it's not like Nissan is going to listen to him QQ until he can even afford a GTR.

It's hilarious because there are some GTR owners coming here and looking at this thread. They're laughing their ass off at the people complaining when it's obviously a vehicle they can't even afford to begin with let alone a couple of Subaru owners complaining about a car from Nissan.
LOL, do you think people who buy the GTR are kissing their wives goodbye in the morning saying "Bye honey, I'm leaving to go to my career now!", let's not play semantics with "job/work" and "career". You're also assuming that anyone who is complaining about the GTR lacking a third pedal doesn't have the money to buy one, and that's just not the case. I'm sure there are plenty who have opted to not buy the GTR due to wanting a third pedal because they like the feel of using a clutch.

This idea of "if you're complaining about the lack of a clutch pedal, you can't afford a GTR" is one of the most baseless arguments I've ever seen. It's a matter of preference, not income.

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Guys that own GTRs don't really miss a traditional manual trans or have a car that has one. Go on the GTR board and look for the guys bitching about the lack of a manual though, they don't own them.
Right, guys that own the GTR wouldn't bitch about the lack of a manual because they've already purchased the car and decided it wasn't important. And just because the guys that are bitching don't own them, doesn't mean they don't have the means to do so.

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Pretty sure Scappy can afford a GT-R, and I know I can... so best to actually know what you are talking about first.

From my own perspective though as stated if I was going for lap times, yes I would have a DSG, and have had a sequential box as well (Which was fun in its own right). But when I am driving just for fun, I prefer the old style of a manual. It doesn't mean that I think the GT-R isn't r built the way it should be, just not what I prefer.
Case in point, ^ right there.

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I hear you. I went down to the Ferrari dealership with cash in hand to buy a 458 but it only came with a twin clutch, which makes the car completely dull and far below the sensory pinnacle I expect to achieve while becoming one with machine on the way to Target.
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Originally Posted by delongedoug View Post
I hear you. I went down to the Ferrari dealership with cash in hand to buy a 458 but it only came with a twin clutch, which makes the car completely dull and far below the sensory pinnacle I expect to achieve while becoming one with machine on the way to Target.
Clearly sarcasm is your strong suit as opposed to logic and reason.
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