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Old 02-22-2013, 05:35 PM   #51
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You don't know TRD well.[/qoute]
I don't know their reputation in terms of how much they differ from normal trims other than the celica, which was pretty much wrx to sti step up levels. I also know trd is toyota's sti.


You can buy sti stuff in bits the same way. You can also buy trd trim levels same as you can buy sti trim levels.
yes and no..

You can buy STi bits, but you can't take your WRX into the dealership and have them turn it into an STi.

TRD is nothing more than dealer installed options. They have never made a from the factory TRD model. The last TRD Celica was nothing more than a suspension upgrade and bolt on parts. There wasn't a "TRD" engine or actual chassis upgrades.

Same with the TRD Camry.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:08 PM   #52
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yes and no..

You can buy STi bits, but you can't take your WRX into the dealership and have them turn it into an STi.

TRD is nothing more than dealer installed options. They have never made a from the factory TRD model. The last TRD Celica was nothing more than a suspension upgrade and bolt on parts. There wasn't a "TRD" engine or actual chassis upgrades.

Same with the TRD Camry.
In JDM land there is a "tuned by STI" trim level.


Would be nice to see Subaru offer this (with better internals) as a BRZ STI. Would seem like a waste of R&D not to. Scion could offer the same model as a FR-S TRD.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:39 PM   #53
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Just a reminder.. they're producing the 200hp, sliding brake caliper, no-steering-wheel-button BRZ/FR-S/GT-86, that was introduced less than a year ago, at the factory's capacity to fulfill pre-orders made last March.

They aren't wasting a damn thing by not releasing a higher spec model right now... they're raking it in.. and in a few years when you can actually buy one off a lot (ie: sales fall below production) they will be wise to release an incrementally higher spec model... followed by a truly high-spec model.
I'm referring to the R&D on the TRD supercharger kit, nothing else.

Come to think of it, I think I'll split that off into it's own thread.

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Old 02-24-2013, 09:06 PM   #54
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I can't believe it took this long to ask:

Power output?
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:23 PM   #55
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Any info on pricing?
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:43 PM   #56
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I can't believe it took this long to ask:

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Any info on pricing?
700hp

$100
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:00 PM   #57
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700hp

$100
100hp

$700

I'm betting 250, $3000.
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:01 PM   #58
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^ good value too
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:02 PM   #59
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This should have been the first post
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:07 PM   #60
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:35 PM   #61
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I'm referring to the R&D on the TRD supercharger kit, nothing else.
So.. you were referring to better internals in the supercharger?
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:13 AM   #62
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So.. you were referring to better internals in the supercharger?
Don't you owe me a King size Take 5?

Better internals in the engine to support the positive pressure from the supercharger for better longevity and more power in a full factory BRZ STI or an FR-S TRD (all hypothetical)
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:37 AM   #63
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Ok.. so you weren't referring to the bolt-on supercharger kit.. you were referring to an upgraded trim level.

Thanks for splitting the thread into a mundane thread about the boring convertible and an awesome thread about about the tubular supercharger.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:48 AM   #64
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Well here is a newer picture, I believe from the Stout Racing Facebook page or maybe Modified magazine. There is a big long thread on it on the ft86club forum, uses an Eaton TVS SC which is pretty cool, and is supposed to be "dual intercooled." Conjecture is where you see the bolts in the front of the huge intake manifold and the square part extends out the back there is a separate A/W IC for each head.

Keep in mind this is being built for a World Challenge race car, and missing from the picture is the A/C... I can't see them producing an aftermarket part that deletes the A/C...


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Old 02-25-2013, 09:53 AM   #65
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Well here is a newer picture, I believe from the Stout Racing Facebook page.
I believe that's a TVR version or something like that, works better than TRD or SPT.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:02 AM   #66
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Eaton TVS, it's just a newer, lighter, and more efficient supercharger than most of the other ones out there. Also more expensive.
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:09 AM   #67
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Eaton TVS, it's just a newer, lighter, and more efficient supercharger than most of the other ones out there. Also more expensive.
Yep. That one. Yep more expensive. Still if I ever SC a car of mine. I'll be choosing TVS. Thanks for the letter clarification
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:29 PM   #68
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missing from the picture is the A/C... I can't see them producing an aftermarket part that deletes the A/C...
Damnitall, how did I miss that?
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:38 PM   #69
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I really wish the FR-S was pushing a high revving Toyota inline four instead of a Subaru sourced engine...it would make the two vehicles more distinct...I love the boxer motor but Toyota has previously built some great engines and it annoys me to no end that these two vehicles are exactly the same. Even if both manufacturers took different routes when it comes to forced induction...its still not as if either vehicle can't be fitted with the others setup.
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I'm glad they use the same engines. We wouldn't have near the volume of parts for either car available if they were using different engines. It makes no sense. It's a complete win-win for the aftermarket, both those developing parts and those buying them.
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I really wish the FR-S was pushing a high revving Toyota inline four instead of a Subaru sourced engine...it would make the two vehicles more distinct...I love the boxer motor but Toyota has previously built some great engines and it annoys me to no end that these two vehicles are exactly the same. Even if both manufacturers took different routes when it comes to forced induction...its still not as if either vehicle can't be fitted with the others setup.
I think somebody doesn't understand the point of the Toyobaru.
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I think somebody doesn't understand the point of the Toyobaru.
I don't exactly follow. You just mean from the standpoint of keeping costs low?

I actually agree with his statement. You rarely see a high-reving flat 4 (especialyl from Subaru), and this would be enjoyable with an F20/22-like engine. Toyota is capable of delivering that.

It's been said here by many that a high-revving powerplant would fit this car nicely.
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I don't want to rev the snot out of the engine to get any torque out of it, which is what you have to do with the high revving Toyota motors like the 2ZZ.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:50 AM   #74
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I don't exactly follow. You just mean from the standpoint of keeping costs low?

I actually agree with his statement. You rarely see a high-reving flat 4 (especialyl from Subaru), and this would be enjoyable with an F20/22-like engine. Toyota is capable of delivering that.

It's been said here by many that a high-revving powerplant would fit this car nicely.
The EJ207 in the JDM STI has always had an 8500rpm redline, and people have already raised the rev limiter on the FA20 to 8000rpm without any problems. I wouldn't be surprised if the BRZ STI revs over 8000 as well. The current engine already revs pretty freely and unlike most high revving engines it has enough low end torque for around town driving.
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I don't want to rev the snot out of the engine to get any torque out of it, which is what you have to do with the high revving Toyota motors like the 2ZZ.
That's fine, to each their own, of course. But there are many people who equate that kind of output curve to small, light sports cars.

I'll take it over an engine that falls flat in the upper RPMs. Not for a daily driver of course, but for a sports car/toy...everyday.

I'm thinking a 2.2l version of that engine would be aok. Similar to an F22 honda.

Not quite a high-revving, but still racier in character compared to the Subaru motor.
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