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Old 12-04-2012, 08:36 AM   #1
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Or does the 2012/13 impreza need about an extra 50 hp and it would be perfect?

I really enjoy the way the car handles when taking corners but the lack of ability to accelerate with reasonable force out of the aforementioned corners makes me a little sad.

that being said I still really like the car.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:49 AM   #2
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Horsepower is nice, but then you don't get the MPGs. It's a tradeoff.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:51 AM   #3
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Horsepower is nice, but then you don't get the MPGs. It's a tradeoff.
true. turbos can be pretty efficient though. particularly if you aren't going for wrx-like hp levels.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:00 AM   #4
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Sort of. If it had 50 more you would want 50 more than that, it's just the way these things work IMHO, yes, the car should have more power and it should certainly have more torque BUT there would a corresponding drop in fuel efficiency. Unfortunately the game that the manufacturers have to play now to find that balance will leave many of us wanting more. The last ten years or so it's been a horsepower race and a lot of us have been spoiled by it.

There are plenty of us here on this board that fondly remember our late '70's through mid '90's cars for many reasons but it definitely wasn't because they had power to spare. I had at least ten cars with 120 or less HP and really only felt that more was absolutely necessary with my '72 Chevy Luv. Even my 74 Ford E200 Custom with the Turtle Top conversion, which weighed in at around 5200 pounds empty, only had about 150-160 HP and I mostly found it acceptable other than going up some of the long passes at reasonable altitude out west.

I am hoping the Subaru brings in some of the turbo diesels with 258 ft/lb of torque though because I really like low end grunt in a car. The additional mpg's would be a bonus, a necessary one though, because diesel costs between 80 cents and $1 more per gallon. If you really need more oomph coming out of a corner try dropping a gear and taking advantage of what the drivetrain does have to offer you.
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Sort of. If it had 50 more you would want 50 more than that, it's just the way these things work IMHO, yes, the car should have more power and it should certainly have more torque BUT there would a corresponding drop in fuel efficiency. Unfortunately the game that the manufacturers have to play now to find that balance will leave many of us wanting more. The last ten years or so it's been a horsepower race and a lot of us have been spoiled by it.

There are plenty of us here on this board that fondly remember our late '70's through mid '90's cars for many reasons but it definitely wasn't because they had power to spare. I had at least ten cars with 120 or less HP and really only felt that more was absolutely necessary with my '72 Chevy Luv. Even my 74 Ford E200 Custom with the Turtle Top conversion, which weighed in at around 5200 pounds empty, only had about 150-160 HP and I mostly found it acceptable other than going up some of the long passes at reasonable altitude out west.

I am hoping the Subaru brings in some of the turbo diesels with 258 ft/lb of torque though because I really like low end grunt in a car. The additional mpg's would be a bonus, a necessary one though, because diesel costs between 80 cents and $1 more per gallon. If you really need more oomph coming out of a corner try dropping a gear and taking advantage of what the drivetrain does have to offer you.
a diesel would be great if they have it working well. I hate to kick the RPMs up too high. I feel like I'm abusing the car a little bit.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:17 AM   #6
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if you have the paddle shifters drop it down to 4th or 3rd gear and then you get the acceleration. 5th and 6th gear are very similair for some reason.

turbocharging introduces other issues, such as price increase.
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turbocharging introduces other issues, such as price increase.
And blown gaskets.


I read somewhere that the 2.0i was not designed to take a turbo at all. I'll stick with the reliability of stock.
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no question the turbo would add cost. I'm not talking about adding a turbo to this engine though. I'm talking about how it would have been nice to have an engine option with a little more power from the factory.

once I get over needing to push into a higher rpm range than I'm used to I'm sure I'll be happier
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:38 AM   #9
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If this car didn't exist as it was, I would have never become a Subaru owner. The car you're looking for... they make it. It's more expensive, heavier, faster and less efficient.

Splitting up the line was a good move for Subaru. Now they have the most efficient AWD car in North America (2.0i), and one of the fastest (STI). The 2.0 turbo and 2.5i were poor compromises.

If Subaru produces a Turbo DI version of the FB16 that runs on 87 octane, makes similar power to the FB20 and gets better economy, I'll take it.

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Old 12-04-2012, 09:58 AM   #10
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once I get over needing to push into a higher rpm range than I'm used to I'm sure I'll be happier
This is why American cars have historically been high displacement, high torque, heavy, slow and with no top end. American drivers think revving past 2.5K means you need a bigger engine.
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If this car didn't exist as it was, I would have never become a Subaru owner. The car you're looking for... they make it. It's more expensive, heavier, faster and less efficient.
not exactly. at least not yet anyway. if they migrate the wrx to the current impreza body style I'd be willing to consider it. it's kind of overkill for power for me though. like I said - ~200hp is enough for most situations as long as there is enough torque to back it up!
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This is why American cars have historically been high displacement, high torque, heavy, slow and with no top end. American drivers think revving past 2.5K means you need a bigger engine.
the engine just sounds a little rough at these rpms. like I said - I need to get over that!
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the engine just sounds a little rough at these rpms. like I said - I need to get over that!
Every car I've had for the last 10 years has been a larger American V6, I'm
definitely still getting used to it.
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Every car I've had for the last 10 years has been a larger American V6, I'm
definitely still getting used to it.
I had a VR6 (VW). that thing just sounded sweeter and sweeter the more you reved it.
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I love revving the engine to really hear that boxer rumble around 4k+. If i wasnt so darn concerned with my mpgs i would probably be THAT idiot on the road. lol

And you cant accelerate without increasing rpms. Dont be afraid man, let her stretch her legs! lol
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If the noise bothers you, consider sound deadening and/or a better stereo.

With a CVT, you won't hurt the engine.

Wind out the 2.0 when you want/have to, and be glad it's sipping fuel the rest of the time.

If you are spending a lot of time with your foot to the floor, then you might need more power.
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I think the 2.5fb from the Forester and its extra 15-20hp would make the car a lot more fun and would be more useful.
The 2.5 and a six speed would really awaken this car.
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The 2011 Impreza is probably pretty close to that. I'll take the extra 10 MPG over the 20 HP. According to this, many agree.

Subaru sold 258 FB Imprezas this April for every 100 EJ Imprezas it sold in April 2011.

More power comes at a cost. Those willing to pay it can buy a WRX.

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bought 2 regular impreza for the price of the sti with a few bells and whistle.
money well spent if you ask me, this car has as much internal space as my 8thgen accord, isn't as big externally nor does it have as much power, but it sure gets the same mpg figures. Will I miss hp and tq, not really I didn't really find myself using it that often. Also uphills in fwd even with winter tires, especially in vermont is never fun, so I needed something with a few more skills to get me there in a more timely fashion. I feel this car was the perfect blend of all the things I needed. I love my econobox
I love the simple interior, I hate the headunit but thats being replaced. I love how easy this car is to work on, I love the $8 -$45 service manual compare that to $250 for the accords. So far maintenance parts have been cheaper as well. And this car is super comfy even when driving through nyc, she takes the bumps and keeps on trucking.
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bought 2 regular impreza for the price of the sti with a few bells and whistle.
money well spent if you ask me, this car has as much internal space as my 8thgen accord, isn't as big externally nor does it have as much power, but it sure gets the same mpg figures. Will I miss hp and tq, not really I didn't really find myself using it that often. Also uphills in fwd even with winter tires, especially in vermont is never fun, so I needed something with a few more skills to get me there in a more timely fashion. I feel this car was the perfect blend of all the things I needed. I love my econobox
I love the simple interior, I hate the headunit but thats being replaced. I love how easy this car is to work on, I love the $8 -$45 service manual compare that to $250 for the accords. So far maintenance parts have been cheaper as well. And this car is super comfy even when driving through nyc, she takes the bumps and keeps on trucking.
I agree. It's a great all around car. Compromises were made to achieve this but it's at the right sweet spot for my needs.
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Wow I had no idea I could get the factory service manual for $9.
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ebay he he
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actually here it is $9 for pdf version, nice

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The 2011 Impreza is probably pretty close to that. I'll take the extra 10 MPG over the 20 HP. According to this, many agree.

Subaru sold 258 FB Imprezas this April for every 100 EJ Imprezas it sold in April 2011.

More power comes at a cost. Those willing to pay it can buy a WRX.
Well I am referring to the fb25 not the ej. I just think the extra 20hp and some more torque would make driveability better. If it were the 90's, the 2.5 would possibly even be an option.
20 hp and a proper 6mt would qualify this car as "sporty" to me. I'd love to see a new RS of some kind. Some of us would like a bit more power and performance without going to 265 turbocharged hp.
A light, nimble NA awd coupe would fill a void that I feel is missing in Subarus lineup. All just opinion.
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Take the rear seats out and tah dah. Lighter, nimble NA awd coupe(ish) lol

but in all seriousness i think subaru will answer these questions in the next year or two. with new wrx and brz trims. stay tuned.
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