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Old 11-18-2012, 12:18 AM   #1
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Randomly found this on eBay today... $40 shipped isn't bad. Looks like a quality piece actually.

Claims it fits: "Will fit subaru STI models 2004-2007, WRX 2005-2007 and 2008 forester XT models."

... think this will fit a 2004 WRX?

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Old 11-18-2012, 02:45 PM   #2
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Humm looks pretty nice,wonder if i can get my buddy to make me one?
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:27 PM   #3
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At the end of the day its just a piece of aluminum that goes over your downpipe/turbo. Try it and see how it holds up.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:23 AM   #4
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At the end of the day its just a piece of aluminum that goes over your downpipe/turbo. Try it and see how it holds up.
This is the EXACT point to remember. All a heat shield is is just a piece of metal to block heat. Wrapping the downpipe/turbo will far outweigh a heat shield.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:57 AM   #5
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This is the EXACT point to remember. All a heat shield is is just a piece of metal to block heat. Wrapping the downpipe/turbo will far outweigh a heat shield.
and jet-hot coating will be better than wrapping alone
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:02 AM   #6
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Don't buy fake s**t. Parts like this are the reason the aftermarket is floundering and companies like Greddy have closed their U.S. branches.

Find a used, brand-name heat shield or make your own, but don't support the rip-off artists...
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:32 AM   #7
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Don't buy fake s**t. Parts like this are the reason the aftermarket is floundering and companies like Greddy have closed their U.S. branches.

Find a used, brand-name heat shield or make your own, but don't support the rip-off artists...
Everyone needs to put food on the table to feed their families man. Androids are a direct result of iPhones, I don't see a problem.

its $40. I'd go for it. If it doesn't fit im sure it would with minimal effort and modification.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:43 AM   #8
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Everyone needs to put food on the table to feed their families man. Androids are a direct result of iPhones, I don't see a problem.
That is literally the dumbest **** I've ever read on this forum.

Yeah, the people doing the R&D and making quality parts need to feed their family too. **** the replica artists.

And, you think Android is a knockoff of Iphone to the point of being a replica?

Sometimes. .
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:50 AM   #9
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It may just be a piece of aluminum, but what alloy? Some are more prone to developing cracks than others. At least people like Greddy have a reputation they want to protect.

I have no problem with someone wanting to put food on the table. But if the price difference means eating or not, maybe you should take up another hobby. Also when you buy or don't buy a product, you're also feeding or not feeding someone else.

Buying clone products rewards rip-off artists. It boils down to what kind of behavior do you want to reward?
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:19 PM   #10
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It may just be a piece of aluminum, but what alloy? Some are more prone to developing cracks than others. At least people like Greddy have a reputation they want to protect.

I have no problem with someone wanting to put food on the table. But if the price difference means eating or not, maybe you should take up another hobby. Also when you buy or don't buy a product, you're also feeding or not feeding someone else.

Buying clone products rewards rip-off artists. It boils down to what kind of behavior do you want to reward?
Then the originators of the product should adjust their prices to the market, or give a good value proposition/reason as to why they are priced higher. then let people make their decision if the price is worth the extra value they are getting.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:25 PM   #11
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It may just be a piece of aluminum, but what alloy? Some are more prone to developing cracks than others. At least people like Greddy have a reputation they want to protect.

I have no problem with someone wanting to put food on the table. But if the price difference means eating or not, maybe you should take up another hobby. Also when you buy or don't buy a product, you're also feeding or not feeding someone else.

Buying clone products rewards rip-off artists. It boils down to what kind of behavior do you want to reward?
Cracks? You're worried about cracks on a part that only needs to support its own weight and is suspended by three bolts?

I also don't see why people don't simply buy a $5 piece of metal at the local supply store and bend their own. It's got to be one of the most simple parts to make on the car.

Not to mention coatings, wrapping, and blankets are way better than this POS (that includes the SPT one).
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:11 PM   #12
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Don't buy fake s**t. Parts like this are the reason the aftermarket is floundering and companies like Greddy have closed their U.S. branches.

Find a used, brand-name heat shield or make your own, but don't support the rip-off artists...
Buying used hurts the aftermarket companies just as much as buying replica. Greddy makes no money off of a used Greddy product being sold on this forum.

Same reason why EA sports now charges buyers of used video games to play them online. They had to find a way to make money off of used video game sales.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:06 PM   #13
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Cracks? You're worried about cracks on a part that only needs to support its own weight and is suspended by three bolts?

I also don't see why people don't simply buy a $5 piece of metal at the local supply store and bend their own. It's got to be one of the most simple parts to make on the car.

Not to mention coatings, wrapping, and blankets are way better than this POS (that includes the SPT one).
I have been through a cobb shield and an spt shield that have both cracked and rattled against my downpipe....
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:11 PM   #14
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Cracks? You're worried about cracks on a part that only needs to support its own weight and is suspended by three bolts?

I also don't see why people don't simply buy a $5 piece of metal at the local supply store and bend their own. It's got to be one of the most simple parts to make on the car.

Not to mention coatings, wrapping, and blankets are way better than this POS (that includes the SPT one).
But then in theory you are "copying" or "ripping off" X company by making your own.

/stirring pot
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:40 PM   #15
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hey man i got a ebay heat shield off ebay for 28$ for my bugeye, im not sure if its the same seller as yours but if i can remember correctly theres literally only one seller on ebay making replica heat shields. Sooo yea heat shield shipped quickly, no flaws in construction, mounted where oem goes, and does its job. Get it! its a piece of aluminum...
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:41 PM   #16
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But then in theory you are "copying" or "ripping off" X company by making your own.

/stirring pot
in flattery, slap on a sticker of the company you plan to copy for free advertising
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:48 PM   #17
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Then the originators of the product should adjust their prices to the market, or give a good value proposition/reason as to why they are priced higher. then let people make their decision if the price is worth the extra value they are getting.
The originators should adjust their prices to accommodate blatant copying of their products.

And, buying used at least promotes the quality companies and reduces demand for replicas -- maintaining incentive for companies to continue to do R&D.

Honestly, guys, get another ****ing hobby.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:58 PM   #18
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yes, thats the definition of the free market we live in, especially if there is no copy right or patent. Or have a product that is superior to the knock-off where people will pay extra for that. have a better value proposition.

If they are copying something patented or something, then thats a different story.....

and like I said, as for quality, 2 "quality" ones have broken on me, so...ya. But i continue to buy the "quality" name brand one because i want to support the companies, and I believe the fitment is better 99% of the time compared to ebay junk/.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:04 PM   #19
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I have been through a cobb shield and an spt shield that have both cracked and rattled against my downpipe....
Pictures or it didn't happen. Also, what does that tell you? They are all cheap pieces of **** and you should probably buy the eBay one. Or better yet, modify the OEM one for free. Where did they crack? I work with steel parts everyday in high vibration/heat environments and funny things happen, but I'm really not seeing many places that bent $4 piece of stainless steel can crack.

But as I see it, you just spent $200+ on heat shields that are pretty much huge waste. You would have been way better off with some heat wrapping and/or thermal coating.

People continue to buy these heat shields because they are easy to install and then they feel like they are doing something. But none work as well as the OEM one. And all can be beat with a turbo blanket, thermal coating, and wrapping.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:33 PM   #20
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Buying used hurts the aftermarket companies just as much as buying replica. Greddy makes no money off of a used Greddy product being sold on this forum.

Same reason why EA sports now charges buyers of used video games to play them online. They had to find a way to make money off of used video game sales.
This has got to be the worst comparison I have heard.

Company X makes a part and sells 1 to Person X.

Person X sells part to Person Y used.

vs

Company X makes a part and person X and person Y buy it from Company Y because it's cheaper.

At least the originator of the product made money to begin with instead of getting nothing.

EA is not getting hurt by used games. They come out with a new version of every sports game every year and make a killing while making the old version obsolete and worthless. They just found another way to add to their piles of money by making money off of something worthless. Same reason they took there stuff of of Steam and created Origin on the PC. It's just a cash grab.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:42 AM   #21
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Pictures or it didn't happen. Also, what does that tell you? They are all cheap pieces of **** and you should probably buy the eBay one. Or better yet, modify the OEM one for free. Where did they crack? I work with steel parts everyday in high vibration/heat environments and funny things happen, but I'm really not seeing many places that bent $4 piece of stainless steel can crack.

But as I see it, you just spent $200+ on heat shields that are pretty much huge waste. You would have been way better off with some heat wrapping and/or thermal coating.

People continue to buy these heat shields because they are easy to install and then they feel like they are doing something. But none work as well as the OEM one. And all can be beat with a turbo blanket, thermal coating, and wrapping.
I didnt take pics, and I didnt spend $200 on heat shields, Im not an idiot. I bought them used, but in good condition. one cracked after about a year on the bolt on the passenger side of the dp, the other one cracked on one of the other 2 bolts on the drivers side IIRC. Point is I agree, just buy the ebay one or a used name brand. It doesn't matter. just a piece of metal.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:01 PM   #22
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That is literally the dumbest **** I've ever read on this forum.

Yeah, the people doing the R&D and making quality parts need to feed their family too. **** the replica artists.

And, you think Android is a knockoff of Iphone to the point of being a replica?

Sometimes. .
...oh so Apple suing Samsung for design/patent fraud was just, on a whim? Androids are the "copy" of an iPhone, while skating around the patents there tough guy. Good thing you know a bunch about technology and innovation!

If Cobb/SPT didn't patent their heat shield or parts, just like Greddy didn't, then its up for the taking. Stop being such cry babies over replica stuff. Perfect example, you have consumer A, and Consumer B. Consumer A wants a set of Volk TE-37's, however, can't afford them. He has to settle for Rota Grids.

While Consumer B can afford TE-37's. WHO CARES. Different markets for different people that want nice things too.
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...oh so Apple suing Samsung for design/patent fraud was just, on a whim?

If Cobb/SPT didn't patent their heat shield or parts, just like Greddy didn't, then its up for the taking. Stop being such cry babies over replica stuff. Perfect example, you have consumer A, and Consumer B. Consumer A wants a set of Volk TE-37's, however, can't afford them. He has to settle for Rota Grids.

While Consumer B can afford TE-37's. WHO CARES. Different markets for different people that want nice things too.
As Customer C saves his pennies, nickels and dimes for a set of REAL TE-37s, because he knows what he wants, understands that the real parts have design and tooling costs rolled into the purchase price, is unwilling to compromise quality for a discount and puts his money where his mouth is by supporting companies who develop innovative, well engineered, quality-made parts.

I honestly don' care whose parts you buy. Hot rodding is an expensive hobby, I get that. But I would rather buy and install a part that will last.

The reason knock-off parts are cheaper is because they don't employ engineers (or any employees for that matter), don't perform R&D, have little-to-no customer support, offer zero warranty and build with sub-par materials.

The only costs they have to cover is the cost of the original-part-to-be-copied and the cost of the ebay listing.

By supporting ebay sellers you are taking money from established tuners who would use those funds to R&D new parts. Contrary to common beliefs, there isn't a ton of money to be made selling downpipes and radiator shrouds. If the part costs more than you can afford, you're in the wrong hobby, hot rodding a plastic model car is waaaaay cheaper.

That said, things like turbo heat shields are the types of products that are perfect for the DIY folks out there and I'm sure many of us could come up with a more effective design than anuthing currently on the market.

Personally, I run a turbo chimney, and I don't think I could make one of the same quality for the $50 I paid for it.
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...oh so Apple suing Samsung for design/patent fraud was just, on a whim? Androids are the "copy" of an iPhone, while skating around the patents there tough guy. Good thing you know a bunch about technology and innovation!
You truly are an idiot if you think the iPhone or anything apple has produced is any sort of innovation.

This quote from Steve Jobs about sums up their company.


FWIW, Android outsells Apple and has a much larger market share as well.

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The reason knock-off parts are cheaper is because they don't employ engineers (or any employees for that matter), don't perform R&D, have little-to-no customer support, offer zero warranty and build with sub-par materials.

The only costs they have to cover is the cost of the original-part-to-be-copied and the cost of the ebay listing.
Very well said! It takes a lot of time and effort to do things the right way. You can buy a knock off part at a cheaper price but you're likely going to pay more in the long run for replacement parts.

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