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Old 11-08-2012, 05:43 PM   #1
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Default You're a horrible driver but you won't admit it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/08/n...vers-than-men/

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Now there's proof that women are the superior drivers.

A new study released recently by Carrentals UK, suggest that women are superior drivers after interviewing more than 700 people.

"While men would like to believe they are better than women behind the steering wheel, it is clear to see that male drivers performed worse in terms of speeding fines and penalty points," said Gareth Robinson, Managing Director of Carrentals UK.

Indeed. Survey results included:
  • 57 percent of men had been involved in one or more accidents compared to 44 percent of women
  • 45 percent of 36- to 45-year-old and men over 65 years old had been caught speeding
  • 60 percent of men over 65 had been involved in an accident, compared to 30 percent of women in the same age group.
However, the survey also notes that while men may be statistically worse off than their female counterparts, they often think they're better drivers.

"(M)en consistently rated their driving skills higher than women when asked," Robinson said. "It seems that, while men performed poorly on the questionnaire and typically had a worse track record on the roads, they believed that they were good drivers."
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:48 PM   #2
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The more points you have on your license the better, right?...sorta like the NASIOC point system?
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:50 PM   #3
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I attribute it to men being more aggressive than women so they find themselves in the ticket/accident situation more often. Women seem to get into accidents when they're not paying attention and men when they're being aggressive.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:10 PM   #4
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The more points you have on your license the better, right?...sorta like the NASIOC point system?
So then the guys who play golf are the guys who are the better drivers?
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:32 PM   #5
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That's some fantastic science there, Lou.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:46 PM   #6
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Doesn't mean much. I think when men say they're better drivers, they refer to skills and abilities in handling a car, not necessarily following speed limits. In other words, men would beat women in autocross or road racing scenarios more often. In fact, they generally do, which is why women have their own classes in autocross, because they don't drive as artfully.


57 percent of men had been involved in one or more accidents compared to 44 percent of women -- How many of them were at fault? I recently totaled my WRX. Yeah, I feel the condecension starting. Wait, it wasn't my fault. A lady (ironic, lol) ran a red light and totaled my car, yet I'd have to check yes to that box.



45 percent of 36- to 45-year-old and men over 65 years old had been caught speeding
See above commentary of skill vs following speed limits. Also, why the funky age groups? Where is, say 25 to 35 and 46 to 64? I chose 25 as the lower limit since that's when insurance companies decide we're mature.


60 percent of men over 65 had been involved in an accident, compared to 30 percent of women in the same age group. -- Again, 65 and over? Where's the 25 to 64 age group? I also see (in my area) far more men driving with women as passengers. Thus, more chances for men to be in an accident.

That's a huge flub, the fact that they didn't normalize the accidents vs time spent driving.

Am I defending men? Yes. Why? From what I observe. I see men are more focused on the act of driving, even if they do drive aggressively (again, definition of better driver in question) while women drive more distracted. From my personal observations, women more often than men view driving as an inconvenience between them and where they want to be while men view driving as something to be good at.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:12 PM   #7
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Doesn't mean much.
It's ironic you say that when also admit you're defending at the same time. Actually, it's more of a lie rather than ironic in this case; if it didn't mean much then there's no point to care. But there was a point to care because you're defending so it does mean much.

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:22 PM   #8
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also need to remember the fact that more men drive vs woman. especially when together. men are usually the ones behind the wheel on family trips and running errands
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:23 AM   #9
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Doesn't mean much. I think when men say they're better drivers, they refer to skills and abilities in handling a car, not necessarily following speed limits. In other words, men would beat women in autocross or road racing scenarios more often. In fact, they generally do, which is why women have their own classes in autocross, because they don't drive as artfully.


57 percent of men had been involved in one or more accidents compared to 44 percent of women -- How many of them were at fault? I recently totaled my WRX. Yeah, I feel the condecension starting. Wait, it wasn't my fault. A lady (ironic, lol) ran a red light and totaled my car, yet I'd have to check yes to that box.



45 percent of 36- to 45-year-old and men over 65 years old had been caught speeding
See above commentary of skill vs following speed limits. Also, why the funky age groups? Where is, say 25 to 35 and 46 to 64? I chose 25 as the lower limit since that's when insurance companies decide we're mature.


60 percent of men over 65 had been involved in an accident, compared to 30 percent of women in the same age group. -- Again, 65 and over? Where's the 25 to 64 age group? I also see (in my area) far more men driving with women as passengers. Thus, more chances for men to be in an accident.

That's a huge flub, the fact that they didn't normalize the accidents vs time spent driving.

Am I defending men? Yes. Why? From what I observe. I see men are more focused on the act of driving, even if they do drive aggressively (again, definition of better driver in question) while women drive more distracted. From my personal observations, women more often than men view driving as an inconvenience between them and where they want to be while men view driving as something to be good at.
Statistics is what it is. This isn't the first time I've seen a study showing that men get into accidents more than women. Just because it doesn't match up with your gut feeling doesn't mean it's wrong. (Unless you are Dick Morris)

Of course on average men are more serious about driving, and technically more adept at it. But roughly speaking, the likelihood of getting into a serious accident is probably something like this.

accident rate ~ (how good you think you are) / (how good you actually are)

And studies like this suggest to me that even if we (men) have somewhat better technical skill, we are way overconfident about it.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:13 AM   #10
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Ha, that implies riding with my wife is like flying. Statistically it's safer than me driving, but it can easily be a terrifying experience.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:25 AM   #11
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Men tend to drive faster because they are more comfortable with speed.
Men tend to road rage more often
Women drive slower because they are too busy doing their makeup while talking/texting on the phone
Men tend to have the faster car of the house. Women the SUV or minivan
When there is a male and a women on the car, 99% of the time the man is the driver.
Given the above, men are most likely to be given speeding tickets
Women are scary drivers. They either go too slow (everyone flies by next to them) or too fast and crazy (asian friend comes to mind)

There.
Reason why men get higher insurance is because men are most likely at the wheel than women.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:46 AM   #12
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That's another thing. Women have a serious advantage when it comes to getting out of tickets, since they're women. Turn on the waterworks or start flirting and 9 times out of 10, they get out of it. And I'm basing this off of what I've been told by females I know.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:53 AM   #13
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That's another thing. Women have a serious advantage when it comes to getting out of tickets, since they're women. Turn on the waterworks or start flirting and 9 times out of 10, they get out of it. And I'm basing this off of what I've been told by females I know.
Yup, I know a ton of my female friends that brag about ballin' their eyes out to get out of a ticket. If a guy were to start cyring, the cop would probably just write him another ticket.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:11 AM   #14
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I'm a 'bad' driver...

I exceed the speed limit.

I often follow too closely if you're blocking the left lane and impeeding traffic.

I often change lanes in gaps in traffic that probably make other driver's uncomfortable (when picking my way through slower traffic).


That being said, I don't cut people off (making them slow down), I always signal, I keep my ass right, am all over my mirrors/blind spots, etc.

IMHO, the world could stand some more aggressive or -bad- drivers. Each year it seems the roads get more and more clogged with people trying to do anything but drive, totally oblivious to the fact that they are impeeding traffic flow.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:20 AM   #15
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IMHO, the world could stand some more aggressive or -bad- drivers. Each year it seems the roads get more and more clogged with people trying to do anything but drive, totally oblivious to the fact that they are impeeding traffic flow.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:23 AM   #16
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I'm a 'bad' driver...

I exceed the speed limit.

I often follow too closely if you're blocking the left lane and impeeding traffic.

I often change lanes in gaps in traffic that probably make other driver's uncomfortable (when picking my way through slower traffic).


That being said, I don't cut people off (making them slow down), I always signal, I keep my ass right, am all over my mirrors/blind spots, etc.

IMHO, the world could stand some more aggressive or -bad- drivers. Each year it seems the roads get more and more clogged with people trying to do anything but drive, totally oblivious to the fact that they are impeeding traffic flow.
This is how I drive. Fast, but not inconsiderate. Now get the **** out of my way...

I've only been in two accidents my entire driving career. Both times I was at a full stop and rear-ended by some bone head. First time by a teenager with a learner's permit. Was at a full stop for more than a minute before I got smashed. The other by a guy that was updating his GPS and didn't notice that everyone was stopped...

I guess the article was talking about them?
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:17 AM   #17
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I'm a 'bad' driver...

I exceed the speed limit.

I often follow too closely if you're blocking the left lane and impeeding traffic.

I often change lanes in gaps in traffic that probably make other driver's uncomfortable (when picking my way through slower traffic).


That being said, I don't cut people off (making them slow down), I always signal, I keep my ass right, am all over my mirrors/blind spots, etc.

IMHO, the world could stand some more aggressive or -bad- drivers. Each year it seems the roads get more and more clogged with people trying to do anything but drive, totally oblivious to the fact that they are impeeding traffic flow.
That's basically how I drive as well, although traffic simulations seem to suggest that people like us actually slow down the overall traffic flow by making sudden moves, even if we don't explicitly cut people off.

Oh well. I just can't resist a gap in traffic, so there.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:39 AM   #18
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I used to drive quickly on backroads, and was good in the sense that I was locally competitive in my class in autocross (B Stock in an RX-8). Then I totaled my WRX in 2006, with my own driving overconfidence at least partly at fault.

Since then I've become a safe old man at heart. I don't tailgate. I don't speed: I'll do an indicated 46 mph in 40 mph zones and sit on cruise control in the right lane at an indicated 60 mph on 55 mph freeways. I don't swerve about. I try to maximize the use of regenerative braking in the wife's Prius.

Perhaps my testosterone levels are down...
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^^^you should see someone about that.
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I used to drive quickly on backroads, and was good in the sense that I was locally competitive in my class in autocross (B Stock in an RX-8). Then I totaled my WRX in 2006, with my own driving overconfidence at least partly at fault.

Since then I've become a safe old man at heart. I don't tailgate. I don't speed: I'll do an indicated 46 mph in 40 mph zones and sit on cruise control in the right lane at an indicated 60 mph on 55 mph freeways. I don't swerve about. I try to maximize the use of regenerative braking in the wife's Prius.

Perhaps my testosterone levels are down...
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It's really more relaxing to drive this way. No sudden involuntary jump when a cop cruiser appears around the bend. Less aggravation by removing oneself from the game, as it were. Lower levels of road and wind noise through the magic of physics(tm). Better fuel economy, if one cares about such things.

I can dig it.
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Many men's confidence far exceedes their abilities.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:26 PM   #23
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It's really more relaxing to drive this way. No sudden involuntary jump when a cop cruiser appears around the bend. Less aggravation by removing oneself from the game, as it were. Lower levels of road and wind noise through the magic of physics(tm). Better fuel economy, if one cares about such things.

I can dig it.
I start every drive home thinking that way. "I'll take an extra 3 minutes tacked onto a 40 minute drive...take my time, enjoy the weather and cruise in the right lane". Save gas, keep the revs off the engine, etc.

About 4 minutes in, it's all over. Blood pressure creeps up, I'm on the horn, working the lanes, contemplating how far I'm going to stick my foot up the ass of the guy in front of me, etc.

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Old 11-09-2012, 12:28 PM   #24
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The article is mis-titled. The word "better" should be replaced with "safer."
Men are better drivers, and use that better skill to drive more aggressively, which tends to generate more tickets and/or accidents. But, if you're not out there pushing the limits of your skill (and risking tickets and accidents), you'll be a driver with weak skills.

Women are usually "safer" drivers because they drive slower, but they usually drive slower because they're often a lot more distracted than men drivers. When men are driving more aggressively, we're focused on the act of driving, not putting on makeup, chatting on the phone, carrying on conversations with passengers, admiring the scenery, etc.
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My girlfriend is the worst of both worlds, aggressive, poor distance judgement and distracted. And she wants me to teach her how to drive stick in my car.
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