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Old 11-14-2012, 09:33 AM   #1
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Smile Inexpensive suspension upgrades for my 2010 wrx

I recently bought a 2010 WRX and love my car so far but there's too much body roll.Can somebody give me some inexpensive recommendations on what equipment and brands are best. Sway bars, strut braces etc...
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:47 AM   #2
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Sway bars - Cusco and Whiteline
Strut tower bar - Cusco
Endlinks - Kartboy

Those are the brands I'd look into for those parts, but that's just my opinion. Do loads of research via raping the search function
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:22 AM   #3
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I'd reccomend calling Turn in Concepts. The guys there really know their stuff and they will help you set the car up for what you want it for (track, spirited driving, autocross, etc..)

I went with the whiteline front (24mm) and rear (22mm) sway bars and the kartboy endlinks. Both bars are adjustable. They greatly reduced the body roll and improved the handling. I do not track my car but I go on lots of weekend drives with other cars on windy mountain roads and we beat on our cars pretty good.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:47 AM   #4
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Swaybars are what you need.. endlinks with them if you want. It's always a good idea as the plastic ones can break once you upgrade the bar. Skip the strut bar for now...
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:48 AM   #5
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Another recommendation for TiC. Tell them what you want along with your budget, and they'll tell you how to get there, without having to spend extra money on bling things.

I'm not sure what the best size is for your cars, but Whiteline sways and Kartboy endlinks is one of the best bang/buck mods to fit body roll.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:20 AM   #6
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I'd reccomend calling Turn in Concepts. The guys there really know their stuff and they will help you set the car up for what you want it for (track, spirited driving, autocross, etc..)
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:24 AM   #7
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Sway bars - Cusco and Whiteline
Strut tower bar - Cusco
Endlinks - Kartboy

Those are the brands I'd look into for those parts, but that's just my opinion. Do loads of research via raping the search function
Strut tower bar does jack squat for our cars.

OP Call turn in concepts, tell them Unabomber sent you.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:39 AM   #8
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IMO, some of the best bang-for-the-buck mods for taming the mushy chassis syndrome are:
- Whiteline subframe inserts, rear diff bushings, ALK, steering rack bushings.
- After that I'd look at Whiteline or Racecomp Engineering non-adjustable sways (22mm front & 20 mm rear work pretty well for a DD).
- Next step, upgrading the flaccid stock shocks. There's no way to do it cheaply, but I really like the adjustable damping of my konis. You can crank 'em down for track use & then soften them up for the drive home.
- Set your front camber around -1.5 degrees of negative camber for sharper turn-in.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:09 PM   #9
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Strut tower bar does jack squat for our cars.

OP Call turn in concepts, tell them Unabomber sent you.
I'll agree the front strut bar is just eye candy, but the rear one actually helps when driving harder during cornering (even moreso on hatchbacks). It's one of those mods you do after you've already upgraded the sways, links, etc etc and can't think of anything else to slap in.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:46 PM   #10
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i fully agree with everyone, swaybars are one of the best suspension mods to start with. i'd at least start with a beefier rear swaybar. whiteline makes great stuff. i have their adjustable 22mm rsb with the rear mount reinforcement braces on my 08. the rear mounts on this chassis seem like such a weak point, compared to the previous design. i plan to upgrade to their 22mm adjustable front eventually.

if you want to keep it inexpensive, you could upgrade to a oem sti bar:
http://heubergersubaruparts.com/part...iagram=7592488

your stock rear bar is 16mm, while this one is 19mm.

beefier endlinks are essential with a larger bar and improve the bar's overall effectiveness, but your stock metal ones would probably hold up decently if you don't go too big on the bar size. (the previous chassis has the crappy plastic ones.)

i'm sure the kartboy endlinks are great, but i am running rallitek's steel ones, front and rear, which are much less expensive. they have a 5 year warranty, too.

rear:
http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-HD-...ndlinks/p-4537
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http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-HD-...ndlinks/p-4269
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:51 PM   #11
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I love the way my car feels with the 22/19 mm Perrin sway bars on their hardest settings. I never upgraded the endlinks (which are metal, not plastic) and expected them to fatigue or break and then have to eventually replace them, but they're all still perfectly fine after almost 3 years. I do a bit of spirited driving but no track/autoX.

Subframe and differential bushings would help too, and are cheap.

You're not going to find cheap when it comes to suspension (shocks/springs). Unless you're hacking up stock struts and replacing them with Koni inserts and upgraded springs, the only other good out of the box solutions is the GTWorx/Bilstein RCE Yellow combo, which are slightly over $1k used on here.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:57 PM   #12
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Koni's are nice but you have to hack your stock struts apart so I went with the Bilstein/RCE yellow combo sold by GTWorks and I think TiC carries them now. We spent 18 months in a development thread trying to iron them out and get them done (well Myles of RCE did the work, we just made suggestions and followed his progress). That suspension alone made my car handle quite neutrally even without aftermarket sways. They have been in for 50k mi and work like new so I am quite happy with the product, as is my wife who drives the car every chance she gets and had been worried that it would be 'harsh' before I had them installed.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:59 PM   #13
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I love the way my car feels with the 22/19 mm Perrin sway bars on their hardest settings. I never upgraded the endlinks (which are metal, not plastic) and expected them to fatigue or break and then have to eventually replace them, but they're all still perfectly fine after almost 3 years. I do a bit of spirited driving but no track/autoX.

Subframe and differential bushings would help too, and are cheap.

You're not going to find cheap when it comes to suspension (shocks/springs). Unless you're hacking up stock struts and replacing them with Koni inserts and upgraded springs, the only other good out of the box solutions is the GTWorx/Bilstein RCE Yellow combo, which are slightly over $1k used on here.
Oh, I see P.Rico already hit this, what he^^ said.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:34 AM   #14
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I love the way my car feels with the 22/19 mm Perrin sway bars on their hardest settings. I never upgraded the endlinks (which are metal, not plastic) and expected them to fatigue or break and then have to eventually replace them, but they're all still perfectly fine after almost 3 years. I do a bit of spirited driving but no track/autoX.

Subframe and differential bushings would help too, and are cheap.

You're not going to find cheap when it comes to suspension (shocks/springs). Unless you're hacking up stock struts and replacing them with Koni inserts and upgraded springs, the only other good out of the box solutions is the GTWorx/Bilstein RCE Yellow combo, which are slightly over $1k used on here.
Was just checking into Perrin sways bars. So you have 22mm in the front and 19mm in the rear?
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:52 AM   #15
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Smile One more question...

Hey guys thanks for all the suggestions. I was lookin' into getting tower braces first but now that I read all the recommendations I think I'll go with some sways bars first. I'll make sure to check into Turn In Concepts too.

One more question. I'm not crazy about the shifter either and was lookin' into Kartboy short throw shifter. Does this shifter really shortin' the shifts by 40%?? Looks like just a bar that's shorter. haha... Just wondering how it makes the shifts shorter.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:46 AM   #16
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You will definitely notice shorter throws with the kartboy shifter. Not sure if its actually 40% shorter throws or not. Changing the bushings will actually give you a better feel than just swapping out the shifter itself.

So I recommend getting the KB shifter with front/rear bushings.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:03 AM   #17
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Oh, I see P.Rico already hit this, what he^^ said.
(waves at P.Rico)
(waves back)

At least you actually have the GTWorx suspension and can relate how good it is. I don't have it but I've been in a car with it, and I'm still jealous how much tighter the ride is.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:47 AM   #18
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Thanks STIguy023... I think I'll try it out. Looks easy to install too!
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:47 PM   #19
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Was just checking into Perrin sways bars. So you have 22mm in the front and 19mm in the rear?

I wouldnt go to the 19mm in the rear. I dont think you will notice much. I have the 24 front and 22 rear and it really tightened the body rull up alot. again just call TiC and Gregg or Tony can tell you everything you want to know
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:00 PM   #20
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Strut tower bar does jack squat for our cars.

OP Call turn in concepts, tell them Unabomber sent you.

Who's this nOOb mod? And where is Unabomber....





















Congrats Hinshaw
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:26 PM   #21
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I wouldnt go to the 19mm in the rear. I dont think you will notice much. I have the 24 front and 22 rear and it really tightened the body rull up alot. again just call TiC and Gregg or Tony can tell you everything you want to know
That's your subjective assertion. I noticed a significant difference in ride (my subjective assertion). I found 19 mm at the inner of the three bolt holes (with a higher effective stiffness) to be a good balance of stiffness and ride quality. The last thing I wanted was to deal with 24/22 mm bars on my 2 hr. commute over some crappy roads each day.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:56 PM   #22
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Here's what I'm installing this weekend to reduce some of the body roll and increase steering precision in my 2011 WRX:
Kartboy front and rear endlinks
19 mm rear swaybar from the STi

If I get the itch to go stiffer, I can always go with Whiteline/Perrin sways later on but this is just a starting point for me. You could follow the same path and we could be buddies
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:27 PM   #23
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I definitely recommend bigger swaybars. I just went 24/22mm whitelines with kartboy endlinks, and I was so happy with that I'm holding off on upgrading the stock struts.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:08 AM   #24
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I definitely recommend bigger swaybars. I just went 24/22mm whitelines with kartboy endlinks, and I was so happy with that I'm holding off on upgrading the stock struts.
What did you have before? I'm lookin' at Eibach sways bars and they have a kit with 25mm front, 22mm rear two way adj. I want my car to run flat during hard cornering but don't want an excessively jarring ride either.
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Here's what I'm installing this weekend to reduce some of the body roll and increase steering precision in my 2011 WRX:
Kartboy front and rear endlinks
19 mm rear swaybar from the STi

If I get the itch to go stiffer, I can always go with Whiteline/Perrin sways later on but this is just a starting point for me. You could follow the same path and we could be buddies
Was checking out the STI sways bars and the price is attractive. It might be a good idea to try them out. What does the 2011 WRX have stock? I test drove the 2011 WRX and the ride was much stiffer then the 2010 I have now. Anybody know what the upgrades were made in 2011?
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