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Old 09-07-2011, 02:31 AM   #1
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Well I wanted to start a build thread somewhere - this seemed appropriate. I will apologize in advance because I realize the vast majority of Subaru owners and enthusiasts enjoy a car that sports a reasonable, useful ride height - good suspension, OEM+ swaps etc etc etc.

You will find absolutely none of that here.

This is my 1986 Subaru DL sedan.
It's a carb'd EA82, fwd, 5spd - and it has 85,000 original miles.



(I need to snag interior and engine shots to drive home how nice and clean the car is)

The ea82 is great, sips gas, runs beautifully, and sounds great. Being as I sink the majority of my time and money into my mk2 gti - this car received budget mods just to have some fun and turn a couple heads.

Basically cleaning up the bay, wiring in some better sound, removing the rear muffler, and chopping the springs in half.

That being said the EA82 also sucks, is slow, as responsive as a potato, and about as much fun to drive as said potato with wheels on it.

Which brings me to the main event.



This is a 5.0L ford engine

And this is the independent rear suspension and R200 from a s13 240sx



I'm sure you can all do the math from there. This SHOULD go relatively smoothly as the engine bay will have PLENTY of room once the spare is out, the car is already setup with "provisions" for rear drive components, and I have an entire car to swap the 5.0, harness, accessories, blahblahblah out of. Driveshaft will have to be custom - and for now I will be using a T-5 manual.

The engine will just be a cleaned up stocker until I get a feel for just how fast the car will be with the v8, and until the bugs are sorted. After that the engine comes out and I'll do a mild NA 400whp build to retain streetability.

Any input is greatly appreciated at this point - especially anyone who has done a rwd or awd conversion to an old DL/gl/loyale/etc.

It's worth noting that those are google pics. My engine is NOT that clean yet (wires everywhere, disecting the harness) and I'm picking up the rear end next weekend hopefully.



Updates will come as I have them, picture heavy as much as I can help it
Enjoy! (I will also obviously field questions... But please keep the "wtf is wrong with you" posts to a minimum, I'm sensitive lol)
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Old 09-07-2011, 03:02 AM   #2
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Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

I am going to point a lot of interested folks to this thread.

I posted another thread on your build here --> http://ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=126053
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Old 09-07-2011, 03:18 AM   #3
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Hahaha thanks! I was thinking about posting over there but that board seemed kinda dead. (at least when I looked for info on the car when I first got it.

Random question - is lowering a DL/gl just some super-taboo thing? I've NEVER been able to find another that's lowered more than an inch. Don't really care either way, just curiosity. This whole Subaru thing (especially the old school ones) is new to me.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:07 AM   #4
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Hahaha thanks! I was thinking about posting over there but that board seemed kinda dead. (at least when I looked for info on the car when I first got it.

Random question - is lowering a DL/gl just some super-taboo thing? I've NEVER been able to find another that's lowered more than an inch. Don't really care either way, just curiosity. This whole Subaru thing (especially the old school ones) is new to me.
There are two sides of the 'old school' subaru spectrum. Seems one side is for the guys off road them and lift them. Others who like to lower them, race them, some even dress them up for looks.

So...I'd say yes, it is taboo. Which is exactly why I'd do it. I'm looking forward to this even if it doesn't come through to completion. The effort is all that matters to me. Will be watching.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:25 AM   #5
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Money is the only reason this wasn't started a year ago.

And money will be the only thing that can keep me from finishing in a timely manner (barring acts of god and tragedy)

Oh and for people reading this who are interested:
Wheelbase (important for driveshaft measurements/angles/construction), and overall width of s13's and DL's is almost identical.

The wheelbase is off by less than an inch (s13 - 94.7/DL - 94.2)
and width is 1.1" off. (s13 - 66.5/DL - 65.4)

Also preliminary measurements make it look like it's going to be possible to retain the factory tranny tunnel/shifter location while also getting a bigger radiator/new dual electrics in.

Worst case scenario I'll go to push style fans and have one less thing in the bay.
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Old 09-07-2011, 08:57 AM   #6
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Looks like a interesting build.
Should be a fun swap.
Have you taken measurements of the engine and engine bay yet?
And lowering one of these isnt really taboo, but chopping the springs might be A good place to post on USMB is the Retrofit Forum. You will get plenty of replies.
I did a engine swap on my RX, but kept it Subaru.
My thread on it is right below this one. If you have any questions I'll try and answer them.
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:40 AM   #7
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will be watching this. good luck on the completion. I too am possibly going to try the same thing in the future. I am still collecting parts. I also have a rear subframe assembly already but mine is for a 03 Infiniti G35. I am getting a free ford van today that has a C6 auto and a 351W. I guess great minds think alike, lol. I just seen this thread right after I decided I was going to try this. ha ha
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Old 09-07-2011, 12:08 PM   #8
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Springs were cut just because it was free and I wasnt going to spend any money on it at that point. I payed 150 for the car, and my gti needed wheels lol

And awesome! Are you swapping in a DL sedan too? The 302 should fit without much problem - it'd be awesome if the 351 or even a 400+ ci motor would.
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Old 09-07-2011, 08:25 PM   #9
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Im going to lower my 1986 GL Sedan. Although I beg to differ on the "fun to drive as a potato with wheels" I drive my GL sedan (EA82 w/ Weber 32/36) like I stole it and have no complaints.

I plan to do the frankenmotor swap on mine (EJ25 block with EJ22 heads) and do an AWD swap and a 5 lug swap etc. This is all in the future as I am still a college student and funds are very limited.

I will watch this, see what becomes of it, interesting build, good luck!
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:12 AM   #10
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Springs were cut just because it was free and I wasnt going to spend any money on it at that point. I payed 150 for the car, and my gti needed wheels lol

And awesome! Are you swapping in a DL sedan too? The 302 should fit without much problem - it'd be awesome if the 351 or even a 400+ ci motor would.
this is the car I am planning to build. It is an 89RX. which is the same as your DL engine bay wise and drivetrain wise. It just has a factory body kit and 2 doors.

I want to make a drift car out of it.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:08 AM   #11
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Mine is going to end up as a 4linked or ladder bar kind of drag car that sees the occasional drift event for fun - so I can definitely see that. And btw I LOVE those wheels. What are they!!?? I've looked far and wide for wheels and (those by far look the best. (for our bastard bolt pattern anywayszg)
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:26 PM   #12
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Those arent Subaru wheels.
The hubs have either been drilled or suspension swapped out to 5x100 (like mine).
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:51 PM   #13
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the bolt circle on these cars is the same as the chevy/toyota 6 bolt. you pound out two of the studs and drill 4 more holes in the right place and pull the studs through.

these wheels are actually stock chevy truck wheels from the late 90s. I had to grind off all the wheel centering tabs to get them to bolt on. because the stock chevy hub center is too small to fit over them. they are 16" the tires are 195/55R16 bridgestone blizzak WS70s. worked real well last winter. the head gasket blew this spring so it has been parked since. you do not have to do the grinding portion if you use toyota/nissan wheels or most aftermarket wheels with that bolt pattern.
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Old 09-10-2011, 04:17 PM   #14
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Ahhhhh. Clever solution - I think I'll hold off for now though since the rear is most likely going to end up 5x114.3

We're (my friend is helping me with this a LOT. I'm competent with swaps and cars in general, but he's a big mustang AND Subaru guy) discussing the trade off between solid and IRS, so no telling which way I'll go with that at this point.

If I am able to keep the stock knuckles/PCD I'll most certainly go 6 bolt in the rear, may leave the stockers up front for skinnies LOL.



Opinions/input needed - what can be done as far as upgrades to the factory suspension/brakes on these things without doing the full GC knuckle swap/5x100? Honestly I may just test out how under-powered the brakes are with new rotors and good pads first. Does anybody offer upgraded struts? Bilstein or KYB? any common upgrades? I may end up "lifting" it a bit to compensate for the weight of the engine.

It's all speculative at this point, but id like to know some of my options ahead of time so that I'm better prepared. It'll also give me an idea ahead of time of just how much I'm going to be ripping out as opposed to doing simple bolt-in upgrades.
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Old 09-10-2011, 10:04 PM   #15
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Ahhhhh. Clever solution - I think I'll hold off for now though since the rear is most likely going to end up 5x114.3

We're (my friend is helping me with this a LOT. I'm competent with swaps and cars in general, but he's a big mustang AND Subaru guy) discussing the trade off between solid and IRS, so no telling which way I'll go with that at this point.

If I am able to keep the stock knuckles/PCD I'll most certainly go 6 bolt in the rear, may leave the stockers up front for skinnies LOL.



Opinions/input needed - what can be done as far as upgrades to the factory suspension/brakes on these things without doing the full GC knuckle swap/5x100? Honestly I may just test out how under-powered the brakes are with new rotors and good pads first. Does anybody offer upgraded struts? Bilstein or KYB? any common upgrades? I may end up "lifting" it a bit to compensate for the weight of the engine.

It's all speculative at this point, but id like to know some of my options ahead of time so that I'm better prepared. It'll also give me an idea ahead of time of just how much I'm going to be ripping out as opposed to doing simple bolt-in upgrades.
do not use the original brakes. they are junk. I would not do the 6 bolt swap on anything but a stock engine or maybe a ej22 swap at the most. the brakes are not very good. they are not even good enough for my RX with the stock engine. the rotors are just too small. the rx has 4 wheel disc and they still are barely enough. You will need to use your whole rear assembly you were talking about. the brakes on that assembly could be upgraded. You will need to do a 5 bolt swap on the front. to get better brakes. I would recommend doing the swap with either SVX knuckles or knuckles off a newer STI. then the front bolt pattern would also be 5x4.5
I would also recommend using aftermarket coilovers for the front. you can get them for any impreza or legacy or outback etc. depending on the spring rate and height you want. You just have to change out the bearing plates out with your original ones. then they will just bolt in and bolt to the new knuckles. I put a whole set in my lifted wagon they were for an 05 outback. I like them because I can set the preload and the rideheight and the compression and rebound. nice to have makes the car way safer with better brakes and better suspension.
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Old 09-12-2011, 02:45 AM   #16
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Good to hear. Hell, I have so much of my damn audi left over - maybe I'll use the rear end/brakes from that and run 5x112 in the rear. Then I just need to take a closer look at the front end to see if another swap would be easier/more effective.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:10 AM   #17
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Umm, ya know that spare tire under the hood is part of the crash protection built into the design. You are removing a safety feature you know.

HAHAHA just kidding. This should be interesting.
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Old 09-20-2011, 12:34 PM   #18
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Umm, ya know that spare tire under the hood is part of the crash protection built into the design. You are removing a safety feature you know.

HAHAHA just kidding. This should be interesting.
Haha yeah but now he has a V8 for that
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:14 PM   #19
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Any news on this?

BTW I stole the pics to show off lowered EA82s so I can decide a ride height for my car.

Sadly I have found that 88-2000 Honda Civic Coilovers will fit my car, but I had no intention of putting honda parts on my car.
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:59 PM   #20
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I'm interested in your build, too
I'm planning on some sort of engine swap for my '86 ford ranger. I like to see different and unusual builds. I have been toying with different ideas, my latest is a turbo'd 13b rotary.
I like the project, keep us posted man!
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:30 AM   #21
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I can't wait to see this completed!
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:21 AM   #22
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Is this project dead?
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:55 AM   #23
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So cool! I've been thinking about a swap like this on my 88 gl 10
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He hasnt logged in here for over a year, so I would say it never got done.


But mine continues to progress
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But mine continues to progress
do tell.......
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