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Old 11-28-2012, 07:29 PM   #226
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Actually this is a running joke among my friends. I tend to get the itch every 20 months. We will see if it happens this time. Not really sure it will. With more cars, I can find a flaw in the car rather quickly. The 2011 had issues from day one. Sure it was a great car, but its brakes were not great. The steering response was not sharp, the stock handling while adequate was soft, the interior was acceptable, but not someplace I looked forward to seeing and touching. It looked funny from certain angles, and never looked quite right with stock OEM tires and wheels. So far the Golf has no such nagging issues.
You need to just enjoy what you have. No car is perfect and if you can get past the "2 year itch", you'll seriously save yourself money and time plus truly learn to enjoy a car.

With that said, many of the "issues" your WRX had could have been fixed.

The steering is light, but it is direct. I recently changed out my 6K mile OEM Dunlops for a set of Bridgeston Pole Position RE970s (all seasons) which are regarded as probably the best all season performance tire you can buy. Even in 70 degree temps, the feel these tires exhibit through the steering wheel are much better than that of the OEM Dunlops. The steering is no longer darty or twitchy and it has more heft and on-center feel. I really can't say I've given my much in lateral grip either. Based on my experience, I'd have to say the OEM tires are the culprit for some of tippy-toe feeling of the car.

In stock form, the 2011 WRX pulling 0.90 gs and goes through the slalom at nearly 70mph. Those are some pretty high limits, no matter what car we're talking about.

The soft suspension does move around, but it settles very nicely. The softness is easily fixed a set of shocks and springs.

The wheel issue is easily fixed with wider rims with a more appropiate offset. You can also fix some of the handling feel with wider and better rubber.

Can say much about the styling and interior though. I like the styling and have no issues with the interior. Some feel differently. I understand that.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:31 PM   #227
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This is not to say the Golf R is a bad car, it's very nice and great quality. However, I think if Golf R at that high price is not really a performance car (that would be the STI for a similar price) and it is not really a luxury car (that would be a Audit A3 or BMW 1). I can understand purchasing a Golf/GTI (lower cost) for a budget issue and a nice car, but I am NOT sure where (for me) the Golf R sits. Is it performance? Not really. Is it luxury? Not really.
I mostly agree with you here.

It is a car built around ultimate performance like the STI, NO
Is it a car built around ultimate luxury like the AUDI or BMW, NO

Is it a car with really good performance and really good luxury features, YES

This is what is appealing to me in this car. If I want to put up much better performance numbers, I can always flash it and add summer tires, all while keeping the luxury touches.

I figure, I can always add performance, I cannot always add luxury and nice technical amenities.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:52 PM   #228
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Nice Car Scrappy!! Glad you like the ride!

It seems like you put plenty of thought into your decision, and ultimately you seem very happy! IMO the Haters will always show up with spec-sheets & calculators, ready for an all-night e-peen riot. Which would be your cue to slip out the backdoor and take a nice ride in your badass new car.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:57 AM   #229
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I just saw that you got the R, so I had to pop in and say Congrats Scrappy!

I would have loved to have been able to afford the R, but my GLI still fits my needs and is fun to drive and mod. I have been able to hold off on doing any big items so far, by doing a ton of little detail stuff that most people will never notice. My first big mod(s) should be in the mail to me any time now, as I ordered Stage1 engine and trans mounts from BFI. I have such a weakness for trying to have upgraded engine/trans mounts in all my cars, with it never really working out how I want it to in regards to DD and NVH compromises. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for BFI and the GLI.

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Old 11-29-2012, 11:32 AM   #230
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After reading this entire thread (and still holding to the fact that many of you are just Euro nutswinging fools), I decided to go drive one of these things at the local dealer and I will say this: I don't get it. Same thing I've always said about Vdubs since the MKIV, great interior appointments, relatively comfortable, loads of tech but the car felt numb, like every other Euro car I've ever driven. The power was impressive for a Golf but not anything compared to any stock STi or Evo I've driven. The car's handling felt sluggish, delayed and heavy.

The Golf R would've been a fantastic car...if the STi/Evo had never been brought to the U.S. If I'm spending 30k+ on a "sports" car, I want to feel like I'm in a sports car. I don't want to be coddled, I want to feel the accomplishment of sliding into a turn and somehow saving it after pushing the car too hard. The Golf R will sell very well amongst you Euro nutswingers who just enjoy amenities over performance, and if that is your game, hey, power to ya. I'll stick to a car that actually feels like a car, not a disconnected, wallowing pig.

If I were in the market, I'd have a 2013 Mustang GT, pocket some cash and spank the Golf in every single performance test while still having enough to throw a blower on it or some suspension goodies if I so choose. Have fun in 5 years Golf guys when your electronics start to fail as they have for decades.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:08 PM   #231
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i think the Golf R looks and has many points going for it... BUT if you can't cancel the stability control, that's the deal breaker for me... If I can't fully control the car (which has been shown is not possible in the GolfR), than sorry but i'll pass!
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:03 PM   #232
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Your right buck-o

The 6 speaker asthmatic sup par excuse of a fisher price stereo in an STI is not better than the 300 watt 10 speaker Dynaudio system in my car. I am sure that is just purely subjective...

You take these cars waaay to seriously...

Enjoy your 'great' interior, stereo, and gas mileage...

BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA
I appreciate you sharing your purchase and information. However, the rude and ad hominem tone is certainly not welcome.

As noted:

Stereo: I did not, and never had, purchased a car based on it's stereo quality. I do agree, however, that the STI stereo is not quality and the head unit could be replaced. But I probably won't because I mostly listen to sports or talk radio in the car, if I am listening to anything. However, those that want to go "boom" will certainly replace the head unit. Of course I don't know anyone that made a auto purchase based on the stereo.

Gas Millage: Anyone buying a gas turbo is not expecting to buy a Prius level MPG. The difference in MPG between the Golf R and STI is 2-4 at best. So the STI is a performance car with only slightly less MPG vs. the Golf R. Again, I don't think either of us choose our vehicles based on MPG, otherwise we would be driving a Prius or some other hybrid.

So you are correct, the Golf R has a better stereo and 2+ MPG. However, if that was the determining factor on which car was better to decide your purchase choice, I am more than slightly confused.

I have a feeling you are reaching to justify your purchase over an STI or WRX. You don't need to do that for anyone, but yourself.

Good luck and enjoy your vehicle. It is a quality car and has some nice features, just not my cup of tea.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:27 PM   #233
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I mostly agree with you here.

It is a car built around ultimate performance like the STI, NO
Is it a car built around ultimate luxury like the AUDI or BMW, NO

Is it a car with really good performance and really good luxury features, YES

This is what is appealing to me in this car. If I want to put up much better performance numbers, I can always flash it and add summer tires, all while keeping the luxury touches.

I figure, I can always add performance, I cannot always add luxury and nice technical amenities.
Good point - want a little more luxury with a little more performance. While I agree, you can always improve performance and not luxury, then why not the Audi A3 or BMW 1 series?

While I am not trying to knock the car, it is all you say it is (no arugment there), I just get this feeling that I would be "settling" for "mediocracy" with the Golf R - as it is not really luxury and not really performance and a rather higher price tag for what you get.

I spent a long time at the dealer (VW/AUDI) and for LESS money we were really about the pull the trigger on a fully loaded Audi A3 (far better luxury and features) over the Golf R. Sure the Golf R had better performance, but the A3 could be improved after-market. Also you could get the TDI version for better gas millage. We drove them both and sure the Golf R had a little more punch in acceleration, they are both 2.0L and a ECU flash and aftermarket pipes could get the A3 punchy.

So - it seemed reasonable and logical (to me) that if we choose luxury over performance the A3 was the choice over the Golf R or even the STI. Additionally, it was also less expensive (about $3k less then the Golf R when we quoted it would with similar features.) $32k Audi A3 sports package loaded vs. $35 VW Golf R.

Maybe you like the looks of the Golf R better, that's fair. I personally think the Audi looks better - but that is just opinion at this point. I still can't figure out why anyone buys certain cars that I think are ugly (not referring to any cars mentioned), but they sell. I guess no one every lost money underestimating the taste of the American public.

Just my 2 cents...I think the A3 is just better looking, less expensive, and certainly an improvement on luxury.



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Old 11-29-2012, 02:10 PM   #234
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I just can't get past all the cutesy gayness the car just wreaks of.

Just look at it...it's a cross between a French Renault piece of crap and a big ladybug...ready for a pillow fight at some teenage girls sleepover.


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Old 11-29-2012, 02:52 PM   #235
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Congrats on the new golf R. I wish I had been real with myself when I was shopping for a new car. I thought I wanted a faster car but all I do is commute. I had a MKV GTI and loved it. My WRX is way faster but the GTI was funner to drive and more reliable. I wanted a golf R but figured I would try something different. Im not sure what everyone is talking about reliability problems Ive only heard of a few cars with blown motors and that was after significant mods. These forums are filled with people with blown motors.
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I just can't get past all the cutesy gayness the car just wreaks of.

Just look at it...it's a cross between a French Renault piece of crap and a big ladybug...ready for a pillow fight at some teenage girls sleepover.

You have issues on so many levels.......seriously.


And not everybody needs to have a big wing and fender flares to make them feel like a big man.......
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I just can't get past all the cutesy gayness the car just wreaks of.

Just look at it...it's a cross between a French Renault piece of crap and a big ladybug...ready for a pillow fight at some teenage girls sleepover.

My wife said the Golf R looked like a toaster on wheels...just too boxy looking and not enough sexy. She picked out her own car, a WRX limited hatch.
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My wife said the Golf R looked like a toaster on wheels...just too boxy looking and not enough sexy. She picked out her own car, a WRX limited hatch.
Your wife is awesome! Kudos.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:25 PM   #239
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I mostly agree with you here.

It is a car built around ultimate performance like the STI, NO
Is it a car built around ultimate luxury like the AUDI or BMW, NO

Is it a car with really good performance and really good luxury features, YES

This is what is appealing to me in this car. If I want to put up much better performance numbers, I can always flash it and add summer tires, all while keeping the luxury touches.

I figure, I can always add performance, I cannot always add luxury and nice technical amenities.
Pardon me, but everything you say and how offended you get when people poke fun at your Euro **** box indicate that you are indeed a child. I would be surprised and apalled to learn that you are actually an adult of 25+ years of age. Your car is not even close to a "really good" performance car nor does it have "really good luxury" features. It's a bargain basement European economy car. People in Germany are laughing at your stupidity as they drive off in their S8s. THAT is a "really good" performer with "really good" luxury to boot. Grow up son, your car is an ecobox with a quasi fancy interior. WOW, cool.
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Pardon me, but everything you say and how offended you get when people poke fun at your Euro **** box indicate that you are indeed a child. I would be surprised and apalled to learn that you are actually an adult of 25+ years of age. Your car is not even close to a "really good" performance car nor does it have "really good luxury" features. It's a bargain basement European economy car. People in Germany are laughing at your stupidity as they drive off in their S8s. THAT is a "really good" performer with "really good" luxury to boot. Grow up son, your car is an ecobox with a quasi fancy interior. WOW, cool.
You realize YOU sound really childish here, right?
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Maybe it's just me, but I do not see in any way, shape or form scrappydoo getting offended at anything someone is saying about his VW.

He's actually taking everything in stride and giving legitimate reasons why he likes the car and its strong/weak points... That's more to say than most people on here, since they are just bashing him because he decided to write a review on what car he bought..I'd be surprised and appalled if I learned that anyone saying **** to him is an adult aged 25+.
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You have issues on so many levels.......seriously.
Like a VW owner posting on a Subaru web site?



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I seriously doubt anyone can feel like a "big man" driving a Golf...a gay man maybe.
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You realize YOU sound really childish here, right?
Oh no, I've offended someone...again...
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Maybe it's just me, but I do not see in any way, shape or form scrappydoo getting offended at anything someone is saying about his VW.

He's actually taking everything in stride and giving legitimate reasons why he likes the car and its strong/weak points... That's more to say than most people on here, since they are just bashing him because he decided to write a review on what car he bought..I'd be surprised and appalled if I learned that anyone saying **** to him is an adult aged 25+.
I guess you didn't read his responses to my posts? Which I must say I was polite and friendly. He just didn't like anyone else's opinion it seems.

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Your right buck-o

The 6 speaker asthmatic sup par excuse of a fisher price stereo in an STI is not better than the 300 watt 10 speaker Dynaudio system in my car. I am sure that is just purely subjective...

You take these cars waaay to seriously...

Enjoy your 'great' interior, stereo, and gas mileage...

BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA
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You realize YOU sound really childish here, right?
He has a point, though, in his last part. A VW is still a VW. That being said, if Scrappy wanted average luxury (poor luxury = Subaru level, average = VW-grade, high luxury = Audi level) with decent performance and didn't want to pay out the ass, it sounds like the Golf R is what meets his needs.

Now, the car I really don't get is the GR STi Limiteds. $40k+, and you're buying an econobox with a turbocharger, sunroof and Subaru "leather." Not to mention the GR STi's aren't an improvement in the power vs. weight ratio compared to GC and GD STi's. And it's built on an anemic powertrain that debuted decades ago. The EJ has been around since 1989, for heaven's sake.

Anyway... Real luxury and real performance in the same car costs $$$. At the Subaru to VW price level's you're going to be picking one or the other, or a decent amount of both. And the Golf R is the latter, which some people want for a DD.
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I cannot say it better than what Rob1n1 just said. I could have easily paid for an STI, but I cannot get a limited in a hatch, and paying 38k+ for a loaded STI with the same basic and power train and interior as came out in 2008, just seemed... well dumb to be honest. I have had a loaded 2011 WRX which I modded (which is close enough to the 2013 STI in most cases) , and my Golf R is a better car in darn near every aspect. For ME PERSONALLY, THe extra sliver of performance a new STI provides did not justify the extra money, cut rate interior, harsh ride, out of date tech, and old design. IF the new STI was out, this probably would not have been even a remote discussion. I would think the new STI will be a far more modern car.

I am not asking anybody to understand my purchase completely. It was never my intention to try to justify my decision, I gave my rationale and it is fine if others agree or not agree. I have been around here long enough to give up on trying to please everybody.

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As someone who just purchased a GR STI Limited, here were my reasons - 1. I did not like the mixed material on the base seats 2. The base wheels are not very attractive, the BBS are much more appealing 3. Fog lights 4. I love and use the sunroof 5. The Limited offered those options in a complete package. I also ordered the NAV.

Everyone needs to buy a car that meets their needs. The Golf R is a nice package, but most people people on this forum it would not meet their needs.
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As someone who just purchased a GR STI Limited, here were my reasons - 1. I did not like the mixed material on the base seats 2. The base wheels are not very attractive, the BBS are much more appealing 3. Fog lights 4. I love and use the sunroof 5. The Limited offered those options in a complete package. I also ordered the NAV.

Everyone needs to buy a car that meets their needs. The Golf R is a nice package, but most people people on this forum it would not meet their needs.
And no one knows their needs better than themselves.

... sorry, I'll take my logic with me and won't let the door hit me on the way out.

Oh, and if your reasons for buying a GR Limited work for yourself, so be it. I still think the 07 STi Limited was the best STi ever sold in the US. inb4 my opinion is wrong
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Actually, it would meet their needs, it would not meet their WANTS....


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I just can't get past all the cutesy gayness the car just wreaks of.

Just look at it...it's a cross between a French Renault piece of crap and a big ladybug...ready for a pillow fight at some teenage girls sleepover.

Dude you drive an STI which means you forfeited the right to criticize other cars for their appearance.
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