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Old 11-23-2012, 11:06 PM   #176
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Okay, admittedly, not my car, as I have not taken pictures of my cars interior, but if you seen the interior of one 2013 Golf R you have seen them all.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:39 AM   #177
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Do you know how I know how you have never driven a Golf R
Online forums and the assumptions people make.

I have driven it and it wasn't any fun to drive enthusiastically. Lacking steering feel, corners like a FWD car, and a huge price premium for what is essentially a GTI experience through and through. I guess that makes me live my life a 1/4 mile at a time?

Anyways just my opinion, it's a thread about the Golf R so there's my opinion, take it or leave it.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:30 AM   #178
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Okay, admittedly, not my car, as I have not taken pictures of my cars interior, but if you seen the interior of one 2013 Golf R you have seen them all.
Back seat looks tight, unless you are 5'2" and drive with that seat pulled forward like that! Those front seats look soooo nice.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:21 AM   #179
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Since their seems to be some interest
I will take pics of my rear seat room as I have my seat adjusted
I am 5'10" 188 lbs
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:22 PM   #180
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Perhaps you guys who live your life one quarter mile at a time.
If you're a true car enthusiast, then you'd be severely dissappointed that VW did not making stability control defeatable in their halo car. We'd expect this from Lexus, but not from VW whom has a hand in engineering killer Audis and Lambos. I'm dumbfounded as to why the Canadians and Europeans get their Rs with a defeat switch, but not the US. It makes no sense. There are FAR more powerful cars sold in the US with fully defeatable and multi-setting stability systems. It would be one thing if the system allowed for some slide and tailwagging, but the system is overly intrusive to the point that it's killing performance way too early.

Perhaps you're letting the excitement of your car gloss over this major flaw, but I think it will eventually become an annoyance.....even on the street. While I don't support street racing, I certainly do push my cars on the street in remote areas where the area is free of other cars, houses, and most importantly people. I've had a Z28 and a G35 and both more than willing to be induced into throttle/off-throttle oversteer and God was it fun to hang the tail out and steer with the rear. With my WRX, it's stock with an STI rear bar and it's still prone to a bit of understeer. It still doesn't stop me from pushing it hard in turns and doing some hamfisted driving and pushing the car into a slide and feeling the AWD work it's magic while nothing intervening with the fun. I autocrossed the G and will do the same with my WRX so I'm not some wannabe racer type in case you were wondering. I do have the experience on road course and also about 400 1/4 mile passes under my belt as well.

With all this said, I completely understand the intentions of the Golf R and I don't think it's price is outragous for what you get. It is the civilized halo hatch. With an ECU flash, it's power and acceleration will match or exceed that of the STI/WRX/EVO. It's just a damn shame about the stability control. Hopefully someone will figure out how to turn the system off when the driver wants complete control of the car.

As for the rear seat leg room. I believe you. Golfs have always had great rear seat room. I'm 6' 1" and I can sit behind my drivers seat with decent comfort in my WRX. If I've got room in the WRX, then the Golf will certainly have an extra inch or two.
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Old 11-24-2012, 04:17 PM   #181
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True car enthusiast or not, you make good points. I did not buy this car to be an all out race car. I bought it to be a great fun daily driver. I am under no illusion of its capabilities. So no unexpected intrusions are on my horizon. I knew what I was getting into.

Time will tell if it is the car for me, but so far it has exceeded all my expectations.

Guys, believe what you want, but this is the kind of car that simple grows on you and does not stop doing nice things. It is really a wonderfully enjoyable daily driver, and it makes me smile. So far on my to do list is to make the keyless entry touch sensitive door handle open all the doors, not just mine. But I think that is in the user customizable menu.
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:28 PM   #182
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Add sticky summer rubber and the stability control will be less intrusive. You probably knew that though since you said the first order of business is sticky, wider rubber I think that will make a big difference.

I recently added a set of all season Bridgestone Pole Postion RE970s which are arguably some of the best all season high performance tires out there. I was pretty surprised by how much more stable my WRX feels, the steering wheel has more heft, on-center feel was more pronounced, and the car felt less darty even though my stock summer Dunlops with a mere 6K miles should be a better handling and feeling tire overall. The point is, the right tires make all the difference.

With that said, what tires you going with? Star Specs
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:49 PM   #183
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I really like the Dunlop Sport Maxx TT or the Dunlop SP sport maxi

both are amazing summer tires. I plan to run at least half the tread off my pirelli pzero nero before I give them the ax though. Tires are indeed everything
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:43 PM   #184
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This car is on my list of cars I would buy, along with a new Audi A4 wagon or AWD BMW wagon, if I wasn't so worried about reliability and/or cost of maintenance.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:36 PM   #185
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Congrats on the new Golf R - it is a nice car. I have owned one VW in my past and had my father's Passat for a time after college - they both had above normal issues in IMHO. But, I loved how they drove and would still have my VW if deer didn't take it out. Enjoy the car. It's always tough to find that right balance between a practical car for the kids and a fun car to drive. Sorry to see ya not choose the Subaru brand though - Fortune magazine just came out with a great article about Subaru's - reliable and probably one of the best cars on the road today. Dec. 2012 edition "They Say Subaru is the Best Car for the Money."
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:35 AM   #186
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I Agree that Subaru is probably one of the best cars on the road today in terms of reliability and value. But this time around, they just did not have my perfect blend of practicality, feel, refinement, speed, and amenities. VW did. It is the first time they have let me down in 12 years. However, having said that. I will no doubt be buying a Subaru again one day. But for now, we shall call this a foray into the unknown for me.


I can I wrap this thread up nicely by saying I woke up this morning to take a nice drive before my family woke up. I have not done that since I owned my 2006 STI. So yes, this car is a special to drive.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:05 PM   #187
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Personally. I think the Golf is ugly and slow. Good luck to OP.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:18 AM   #188
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Perhaps you guys who live your life one quarter mile at a time. You can post about track days all you want. You can post that I made the wrong choice for spirited driving. But the truth is I drive on the ROAD 99.9% of the time. At this moment of my life I am smart enough to know how I will actually use a car. I buy the car for how I am going to use it. Not for how I want others to think I am going to use it.

There are many folks having a great time tracking their Golf R. Reality >> you guys.

And should I take my Golf R to the track, and the stability control kicks in, what difference does that make in reality? Does that mean I cannot drive the car fast at all? Nope. Does that mean I cannot have fun? Nope.

Does that mean I cannot hang the back out in an Initial D drift-a-thon. Probably. But that is just stupid to begin with.

That video above is one of the main reasons I did buy my Golf R! The guy had a permanent grin on his face while carving the canyon roads,and driving around. He praised the handling , and feeling, and the refinement. Even if he was not sure a car should be refined. He positively trashed the EVO in every possible aspect as a daily driver. And could not say enough good things about the Golf. Because he values track times over daily driving perfection, his opinion of the ESC to me was never an issue, as I know how I drive, and how much Daily driver vs track day time I spend. To buy a car for the 0.1% of time it is on the track is actually rather juvenile.

I have already said this. The cars 11/10ths performance means absolutely nothing to me. You CANNOT drive a car that hard on the street ever. And in the event I am on a hairpin at a track day and the traction control kicks in. Who cares? You guys seem to think that laptimes count for anything at a track day? They do not. Fun does.

I really feel sorry for you folks who are not capable of having fun in a car. For pure fun, I take my 240Z to the track most of the time. And I promise you, my WRX and my new Golf R would destroy it's lap times. But the Z is more fun. It is raw. Any car can be fun on a track. And if track days are not about fun, then what is the point? Is the Golf R a track weapon, OH goodness no. Can it be fun? I am willing to bet with this steering and its amazing brakes, I can have a hoot at the local track.

Guys like Dub klr, moonrider, 04silverex, you are kinds of guys that are often the epitome of most of my jokes. I can almost certainly assume that none of you race for your livelihood, or even race where the results matter. Yet you preach about track days and autocross like it is an important criteria for a daily driver. I am in a position where I can afford two fun cars. A raw performance oriented classic car, and a refined stealth speed machine. I wish you were in such a position as well.

But by all means, keep living your life a quarter mile at a time. And I do hope one day I bring my Golf R to the track and run into you. I will waive at every WRX I pass.

Legacy GT, you missed the most important dimension to me. Rear leg room is 2 inches bigger in the Golf. For a rear facing child seat that is huge! And the 15" difference must between the sedan and the hatch, because no way a WRX hatch is 15" longer than the Golf R.

Happy motoring folks...
So I'm a joke because I make 1 comment in your thread stating the obvious limitations of your "R" VW? You will find out soon enough why no one buys this model and why you should have bought A4 AVANT if you wanted a nice DD.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:50 AM   #189
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So I am the only one in America who has bought one. I love intelligent people like you who speak in absolutes. You live in a very small imaginary world don't you.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:21 AM   #190
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My god, this thread has gone full retard.

Congrats on the purchase Scrappy, if the R is anything like a GTI, the handling precision and communicative steering alone are worth the purchase price over a similarly priced floppy handling and numb WRX/STI.

Alot of what you wrote in your review almost steered me towards a A3 TDI before I purchased my BRZ.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:32 AM   #191
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Threads like these make me glad I no longer own a Subaru.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:25 PM   #192
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It means you're way too new here to be running your mouth as if anyone here gives a damn about what you think about anything.

And the irony of someone who lives in a liberal cesspool calling me trash? Ok, buddy.

Enjoy your life of irrelevance.
^ Makes me glad you don't have a reason to post on here much either. This thing got out of hand because people on the internet lack basic social skills. Before any crap flinging started on my end I congratulated the OP on his purchase. But this pecking order nonsense that goes around on NASIOC is just ridiculous.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:42 PM   #193
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So I'm a joke because I make 1 comment in your thread stating the obvious limitations of your "R" VW? You will find out soon enough why no one buys this model and why you should have bought A4 AVANT if you wanted a nice DD.
Says the guy who sold a WRX for a MS3
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:58 PM   #194
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dude, don't even. you went from this to Mustang ownership. No difference whatsoever. The ignorance flows equally in both camps.

A Golf R is a dressed-up Golf. congrats, you have a slow chick car that will be horrendously unreliable after being beat on for 50k. yawn...
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:03 PM   #195
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dude, don't even. you went from this to Mustang ownership. No difference whatsoever. The ignorance flows equally in both camps.

A Golf R is a dressed-up Golf. congrats, you have a slow chick car that will be horrendously unreliable after being beat on for 50k. yawn...
You must be great at parties.

But seriously, you acknowledge that there is ignorance in Subaru owners and then you contribute to that ignorance. You are a piece of work my friend
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:20 PM   #196
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dude, don't even. you went from this to Mustang ownership. No difference whatsoever. The ignorance flows equally in both camps.

A Golf R is a dressed-up Golf. congrats, you have a slow chick car that will be horrendously unreliable after being beat on for 50k. yawn...
But does the Golf R block have casting issues and blown ringlands?

At least his car will last 50k with out blowing the motor
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But does the Golf R block have casting issues and blown ringlands?

At least his car will last 50k with out blowing the motor
You are a scooby specialist. You should have learned by now that ringland issues are vastly exaggerated.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:26 PM   #198
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To the OP, congrats on the new purchase. Coming off of a 5th gen GTI, I do laud its precision and amenities. Contrary to my previous car, the 2013 WRX is a cush ride and suits my purpose. Having said that, I'm hoping I can get some of the precision of the GTI back in this car with some suspender upgrades scheduled to be performed in two weeks - only the end links and sways front/back, along with some tweaks to the breaking systems fr/bk

I'm not sure what I can speak for the reliability issues with VWs since I only had two problems; one of which was fixed under warranty when the intake tube was blown off on a regular dd.... The second issue, which occurred once during a hideously hot summer this year, never occurred again, and the car was traded for the 2013 WRX at a good value value with almost 50K on the ODO.....

Point being, I thinks the R would be even more joyful to drive in any given day than the GTI with its AWD and the extra power. Personally, I am looking forward to the 7th gen - bigger, lighter and the more powerful Golf variant on the way, including the GTI. And from what I've read about the next gen cars that will be sold, which is either already being sold in Europe or soon to be sold in Europe, I think the 7th gen car could really convince me consider going back to the VW when it's introduced in the US.

Unlike some posters' comments about getting an Audi, I would rather get the more "affordable" "poor man's" Audi for what it will offer at a reasonable price, whether it be a GTI or an R....

Any how, I haven't read the whole thread and posts, but I am very confident you will enjoy this car.

As for me, I'm finally used to the WRX and its "lack there of" amenities, and thoroughly enjoying its positive attributes. I thought I will never say this about any car, but this car's boxer note, exhaust and the relaxed composure of the suspenders actually make me relax a bunch more in my daily DD routine than the "hyper" GTI, which makes me "safer" all around......

The boxer note is such a unique sound, and even if the 7th gen VW is introduced, it will be a difficult choice for me personally

Hope all works out well for you with your R
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8 pages about a car the OP will likely own for 9 months before trading it for something else?


Side note: Why does every VW dealership have a mint condition Super Beetle with a price tage for double what its really worth?
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dude, don't even. you went from this to Mustang ownership. No difference whatsoever. The ignorance flows equally in both camps.

A Golf R is a dressed-up Golf. congrats, you have a slow chick car that will be horrendously unreliable after being beat on for 50k. yawn...
What, no street racing stories from your RHD STi? I recognize you from SVTP.
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