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Old 11-26-2012, 10:11 PM   #201
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I have reallly been trying to avoid this thread. I thought it would die out quickly. But this is getting kind of crazy long. It's like an online soap opera. I need popcorn

I think the golf, especially when lowered, looks like a loaded diaper in the rear. But the headlights look sick, and the interior of the R looks cozy and super refined. Not a bad place to be for a daily commute. I've only had experience with one VW, and it was a '91 Passat VR6. It was a hoot to drive with a not too shabby gearbox, but that thing had more mechanical issues than my neighbor's Alpha Romeo.

I'm sure they've cleaned up most of their act since then, but I've still heard remarks and rumors about how the infamous legacy of VW's mechanical reliability still lives to this day. But as an auto enthusiast Scrappy, I know you have taken any and all perspectives before making your decision, so the ultimate condition is as long as you're happy with it, screw everyone else! IMHO, I wouldn't own a VW - I'm extremely satisfied with my wrx. But you don't need anyone else's approval to be happy with a car - and I'm happy to see you've got a thick skin to ignore all the haters. If someone has to bring you down, they've gotta be lower than you to begin with. Step on over them and keep truckin, sir.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:15 AM   #202
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everyone is entitled to their own opinions but man this has to be one of the meanest forums on the net. seriously. (for some) if your posts are how you speak to a person in real life, you need to get checked.

he's owned a ton of subarus and decided to get a new golf r. happy for those that are happy with a new car, subaru or not. not my cup of tea, but doesn't mean i gotta go piss on his parade. make your opinion but keep the personal attacks to yourself. again, congrats. i already made my golf vs wrx/sti opinion.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:33 AM   #203
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8 pages about a car the OP will likely own for 9 months before trading it for something else?


Side note: Why does every VW dealership have a mint condition Super Beetle with a price tage for double what its really worth?
Actually this is a running joke among my friends. I tend to get the itch every 20 months. We will see if it happens this time. Not really sure it will. With more cars, I can find a flaw in the car rather quickly. The 2011 had issues from day one. Sure it was a great car, but its brakes were not great. The steering response was not sharp, the stock handling while adequate was soft, the interior was acceptable, but not someplace I looked forward to seeing and touching. It looked funny from certain angles, and never looked quite right with stock OEM tires and wheels. So far the Golf has no such nagging issues.

As long as it does not burn to the ground with electrical issues, I am seriously enjoying this car.

Until they make a Legacy GT again, I am not sure what I would trade it in on.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:01 AM   #204
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i canceled my order for a 2013 wrx and bought a golf tdi... cant say i am at all happy with it... i should have bought the subaru. It is not roomier, but yes... it does have nice seats and the bluetooth system is cool. handling is good but i already have issues with my brand new golf with only 6k miles on it which makes me super concerned about owning it for another 4 years. My first issues started before I even made the first payment 45miles per gallon is the only thing i have come to enjoy from this car. dont make the same mistake i made. I know the tdi and golf R are very different but they are very much so the same.
Huh my friend traded a 2011 WRX that he had for ~4 months for the Golf TDI and problems within a couple months.. cracked windshield washer container but the real issue was a leak in one of the windows weather stripping causing water to secretly build up in his car which caused a mold to start growing.. the dealership took no ownership in the problem and said it was working properly and he had to buy a shampoo machine to clean the mold himself.
One month later he aired the s**t out of the car traded it in and bought a 2012 WRX... Major loss of money on the tradein on the golf, barely any loss on the WRX tradein.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:42 AM   #205
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With more cars, I can find a flaw in the car rather quickly. The 2011 had issues from day one. Sure it was a great car, but its brakes were not great. The steering response was not sharp, the stock handling while adequate was soft, the interior was acceptable, but not someplace I looked forward to seeing and touching. It looked funny from certain angles, and never looked quite right with stock OEM tires and wheels.
If you seeing the "issues on day one" is a true statement, why did you even buy it since you would had noticed all these issues from a test drive? Figured you could just upgrade pretty much all those?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:41 AM   #206
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Not that I owe you an explanation, but if you must know, those were not issues that amounted to deal breakers back then. They were things that needed to be addressed. They were things that I had addressed on all my Subarus. Wheels, tires, sways, brake pads are almost given replacements for a WRX if you want it to feel 'right'.

I just got tired of having to buy a new car and then have to modify it for me to enjoy how it felt. I have a project car already. I wanted a car that was near perfect out of the box that I could enjoy driving from day one. I enjoyed the R the instant I drove it aside from the overboosted steering, which I now know just takes some getting use to. It is not telepathic feeling, but once you get use to it, it works quite well. I think the Subies steering is more direct and connected even if the OEM suspension is unwilling to listen. The R helm is nice enough to make me smile every time I drive it. It has that special feeling.

So yes, it had issues, but I have owned 6 different subies before, I almost did not need to test drive it at all. I would have bought it without a test drive. I know how good a Subie can be made to feel. Always go into a purchase eyes wide open.

I just bought a VW. It stands to reason that I will have to deal with the electrical gremlin or 3. But I am hedging my bets that in the first 2-3 years, that it will not be too bad. In the mean time, I am thoroughly enjoying the drive.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:13 AM   #207
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Lol @ everyone who has a horror story about VW/Audi. This is the internet, how many more people come online to complain about something rather than praise it for how great it's been? STI ring lands anyone? I know many people who have purchased VW/Audi vehicles with no more maintenance than oil changes, tires and brakes.

He enjoys the car and wanted to share his experiences with everyone. Take it for what it's worth. I enjoy my WRX exactly for what it is, very quick, capable DD that I can take on a lot of road trips, go through mountains with confidence in inclement weather, back roads or if I feel like having a track day, hell I can do that too. Nothing more, nothing less. He enjoys the Golf R exactly for what he enjoys and has to do, and the car does that extremely well from his review on it.

Anyways, congrats on your purchase - I really like that car, and for the guy who said the Golf R is a dressed up chick car, you pretty much have the same thing with the all WRX/STI owners here. Dressed up econobox Imprezas (which I see a majority of middle aged females driving)
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:32 AM   #208
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The biggest drawback I saw with the GTI I test drove was the lack of room, especially behind the rear seats(trunk area), that an the lack of power. The WRX has its drawbacks too, especially this crappy trans/clutch setup, but it won out for all-around best of the hot-hatches I tried out. The R would have intrigued me, but one look at the price tag, and I think there are better choices out there.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:24 AM   #209
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he's owned a ton of subarus and decided to get a new golf r. happy for those that are happy with a new car, subaru or not. not my cup of tea, but doesn't mean i gotta go piss on his parade. make your opinion but keep the personal attacks to yourself.
What did the OP really expect? This is a Subaru web site, correct?

What reactions do you think you'd get posting about your WRX/STI purchase over on an EVO web site?

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Old 11-27-2012, 12:17 PM   #210
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Congrats, man. Hope you enjoy the car. How does the gear box feel compared to your 2011 wrx?
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:19 PM   #211
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Congrats, man. Hope you enjoy the car. How does the gear box feel compared to your 2011 wrx?
I'll take a wild guess, light years better! lol
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:34 PM   #212
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What did the OP really expect? This is a Subaru web site, correct?

What reactions do you think you'd get posting about your WRX/STI purchase over on an EVO web site?

An opinion about a car and plain old personal attacks (go reread)are two different things.

I've never owned an evo so why would I even go there? Srappy has owned several subarus.
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An opinion about a car and plain old personal attacks (go reread) are two different things.
How long have you've been here on NASIOC? You sound like a newb...



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Yeah...well I've owned VWs, an EVO, and a couple Mustangs, but I'm not about to post on a Subaru web site how I just got rid of my WRX/STI and purchased a non-Subaru, how much better I THINK it is, and not think for one moment that I'm not going to catch **** for it.

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Everybody just needs to relax. I posted my opinions on the car and the reasons I bought it. I do not really care about if you agree with me or not. My reasons for buying it are my reasons. Will I end up back in a Subaru, sure. Most definitely one day. But for now they lacked the total package of what I was looking for.

I posted as the Golf R is an alternative to our cars, and I have relevant experience with 7 previous Subarus. Some people may be curious as to how good/bad, the Golf R is compared to our beloved cars. I can make a somewhat intelligent comparison based on having owned them. Take it for what it is. I am not asking for the Blessing of NASIOC. I do not require it, or need it, or even want it. I am not looking for praise for my decision either. I wrote what I wrote with an eye on informing others who may be looking into this car as well. (you should)

But I would like to think that if you saw my title you knew there was going to be Golf R related info, so either you were curious about the car or you just wanted to troll. Regardless, some people have found what I had to say as enlightening. Others not so much.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:32 PM   #215
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Everybody just needs to relax. I posted my opinions on the car and the reasons I bought it. I do not really care about if you agree with me or not. My reasons for buying it are my reasons. Will I end up back in a Subaru, sure. Most definitely one day. But for now they lacked the total package of what I was looking for.

I posted as the Golf R is an alternative to our cars, and I have relevant experience with 7 previous Subarus. Some people may be curious as to how good/bad, the Golf R is compared to our beloved cars. I can make a somewhat intelligent comparison based on having owned them. Take it for what it is. I am not asking for the Blessing of NASIOC. I do not require it, or need it, or even want it. I am not looking for praise for my decision either. I wrote what I wrote with an eye on informing others who may be looking into this car as well. (you should)

But I would like to think that if you saw my title you knew there was going to be Golf R related info, so either you were curious about the car or you just wanted to troll. Regardless, some people have found what I had to say as enlightening. Others not so much.
Well to be fair your opinion has been based on owning it for a few days. That opinion could very easily change in the coming months if you run into reliability issues, etc.

I'm just saying... not putting you down, I've said several times I'm glad you enjoy the car.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:54 PM   #216
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How long have you've been here on NASIOC? You sound like a newb...





Yeah...well I've owned VWs, an EVO, and a couple Mustangs, but I'm not about to post on a Subaru web site how I just got rid of my WRX/STI and purchased a non-Subaru, how much better I THINK it is, and not think for one moment that I'm not going to catch **** for it.

There is date when I joined you can obviously read to the side. Sure you can catch #$&# for driving a nonSubaru. just pointing out some can be rational in making a point.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:40 PM   #217
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If you can't tell by my username...I came out of a German car. An MKVI GTI to be exact. I would've jumped to a Golf R in a heartbeat if I had 35 or 36K! I do think they are a bit overpriced (and I got my 2011 WRX for 24K).

Thanks for posting your impressions man. I agree with everything you've said, but price was definitely a factor for me. I would love to hear more about the R so I can be super jealous

For anyone that's curious, that platform has a far superior shifter. It's incredibly good. Clutch feedback sucks (better in the R). Stock GTI brakes are terrible (R fixed this). I prefer that platform's suspension setup, but I think the WRX will pull it together with some cheap sways. I also miss the gobs of torque at 2K RPM. Smaller turbos have their place if you're not concerned w/ much past stock performance (but I wanted a bit more than 225WHP). Also, the GTI heat soaked like you wouldn't believe (also not an issue in the Golf R).

I traded out because my GTI's clutch was going at Stage 1 with 15K miles. Just unacceptable. The R is based on a older, more robust, platform. Upgrades are much more expensive, but you can pull great power out of them and not worry about your clutch just exploding w/ just 1500 bucks (stage 1 and fuel pump). That K04 has some juice left in it and you'll be surprised what you can do with it.

I also had some weird electrical/stalling issues at 15K! It was just crazy. The oil pan was Audi branded and took OEM bolts w/ integrated washers lol. I just kind of got fed up knowing that I wanted a car I could drive/lightly tune and afford parts for. The refinement in the R is definitely at Audi levels though. That's meaningful for people that don't want to hear doors rattle all the way to work in their 2011 car

I knew what I was getting into, but the R was def. high on my list too. Some dynamat, stereo equipment,bushings, and sways will fix my BIG problems though.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:44 PM   #218
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I think the Golf R is overpriced, but best of luck with it!
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For anyone that's curious, that platform has a far superior shifter. It's incredibly good. Clutch feedback sucks (better in the R).
I only test drove a GTI, and liked the shifter, not a lot of time to render a verdict on the clutch. But this WRX has the worst clutch and shifter combination I have ever had to use, there is absolutely no feedback from the WRX clutch. It is basically lifeless, without the SPT Exhaust I wouldn't know what the heck is going on between the Engine and Transmission(short of watching the RPM gauge, I would rather spend my time watching the road instead).
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Let me help you out there buck-o

the golf R has:

better interior
better stereo
better ride quality
better gas mileage
better tech amenities
more rear leg room
better seats

all while still being a great handling hatchback at a lower price. In every catagory that is measureable, the golf R is a better daily driver. It falls short of the STI on the track, which does not matter to me one little bit. As I am not a competitive driver on the track and I do them purely for fun like the vast majority of you, I just choose to admit it.

Besides, if I go to the track I take my 240Z.

As far as interior space, the number that matters to me is the rear leg room. Trunk space is a wash, but the golf has about 2 more inches or so of rear leg room. Which is huge when fitting a rear facing child seat. It gives up a bit of cargo room behind the rear seat though.

Look we are all entitled to our opinions here. If you love your STI, you should! It is a great car. I am just choosing a more well rounded car. I have owned a 2011 WRX and buying an STI was enticing, but it always felt like I was buying a 5 year old car when I looked at the 2013 STI. A darn fine 5 year old car, but still a bit dated.

better is certainly an opinion. If you re-read my post (without any ad homimen I might add) - I said it is a good car, but I just thought it was plain looking and for a $2k difference I was not sure why one would step up to a plain looking car. Of course - that TOO is an opinion. Which is better, is certainly your prerogative as it is you, not I or anyone else that is spending money.

I am still not sure why you are posting on here and wondering why you would suspect anyone to blindly agree as to why you think the VW is "better". If you are looking for comfort in your purchase or confirmation, I am sure it will be difficult to pry from these forums.

However, it's a good car, but I wouldn't buy it as to me it is NOT "better"....

For the record, my name is not buck-o.
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I'll take a wild guess, light years better! lol
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SCRAPPYDO’s 2013 Golf R review
EVO magazine’s review of the 2002 Bugeye Impreza WRX said that they ‘went and let the Impreza WRX grow up and get refined, which is fine, but the problem with that is once you add these refinements, you can never go back again.’ Those words always puzzled me for years after I read that. But the fact is, it is true. Adding refinements to a car while keeping the price somewhat close makes for a far more attractive car and will appeal to far more people.

In a nutshell, this is what I just went through. I was comparing the 2013 WRX STI against the 2013 Golf R. Refinement against Raw performance. A whisper versus a scream. A Rembrandt, vs high end Graffiti. Okay, you get my point. I have had the Golf R for 16 hours so far. I have driven it 80 miles or so, and most of that was pure joy riding. Before I go on, you as a reader should know my nearest comparison. In March of this year, I sold my 2011 WRX which was Stage II COBB, 22mm rear sway bar, upgraded rims and Extreme performance Dunlop summer tires, and new performance brake pads on all four corners with DOT4 fluid. I had the Perrin short throw shifter in my WRX. That was the last Subie I owned. (I test drove a 2013 STI as well)

.....[snip]......

Good review....

I too was looking at a new car/s (wife and myself). We both wanted hatch-backs (practical). I had a Legacy GT (09) and my wife had a Forester XT (05).

We drove several Golf/GTI Models and they drove very nicely and had nice fit and finish. However, even more so for my wife, we just thought it was plain looking and for about the same price we drove the Audi A3 and liked it so much more. If we were solely going for quality it was going to be the Audi A3 or even the BMW 1 series (5d) which was a special order. They were in very close price points to the R model.

After shopping around for a long time with many 5dr models (hatches), we came back to the WRX. For the money, fit, finish, performance, and also our personal taste in looks, we just came back to Subaru. I of course, order the STI.

This is not to say the Golf R is a bad car, it's very nice and great quality. However, I think if Golf R at that high price is not really a performance car (that would be the STI for a similar price) and it is not really a luxury car (that would be a Audit A3 or BMW 1). I can understand purchasing a Golf/GTI (lower cost) for a budget issue and a nice car, but I am NOT sure where (for me) the Golf R sits. Is it performance? Not really. Is it luxury? Not really.

Also, I personally think the looks are pretty plain for what you get, but that is just an opinion - some really like the looks.

The most important thing is that YOU enjoy it and it works for you. Because at the end of the day, you shouldn't care what I or anyone else thinks. However, you should expect feed back and comments if you decide to post on a Subaru forum.

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Yeah...well I've owned VWs, an EVO, and a couple Mustangs, but I'm not about to post on a Subaru web site how I just got rid of my WRX/STI and purchased a non-Subaru, how much better I THINK it is, and not think for one moment that I'm not going to catch **** for it.

You realize that owning a Subaru isn't a prerequisite to participate on this website, right?

If people owning something other than a Subaru enrages you, I'd recommend not participating in OT, here.
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better is certainly an opinion. If you re-read my post (without any ad homimen I might add) - I said it is a good car, but I just thought it was plain looking and for a $2k difference I was not sure why one would step up to a plain looking car. Of course - that TOO is an opinion. Which is better, is certainly your prerogative as it is you, not I or anyone else that is spending money.

I am still not sure why you are posting on here and wondering why you would suspect anyone to blindly agree as to why you think the VW is "better". If you are looking for comfort in your purchase or confirmation, I am sure it will be difficult to pry from these forums.

However, it's a good car, but I wouldn't buy it as to me it is NOT "better"....

For the record, my name is not buck-o.
Your right buck-o

The 6 speaker asthmatic sup par excuse of a fisher price stereo in an STI is not better than the 300 watt 10 speaker Dynaudio system in my car. I am sure that is just purely subjective...

You take these cars waaay to seriously...

Enjoy your 'great' interior, stereo, and gas mileage...

BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA
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good choice. almost traded my 2010 tdi in for one, but didn't really feel like having to start making car payments again and essentially staring at the same interior for another 5 years.
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