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View Poll Results: You guys put on your snow tires yet?
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:20 AM   #351
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"I don't need snow tires, I've been driving for nn years on all seasons and never had a problem." 65 car crash in Worcester Sunday on Route 290.


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Old 12-02-2013, 11:21 AM   #352
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I still have my federal ss595... I should fix that
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:28 PM   #353
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"I don't need snow tires, I've been driving for nn years on all seasons and never had a problem." 65 car crash in Worcester Sunday on Route 290.
I'm curious what you think snow tires on some of those cars would have done to change the outcome? It was an untreated highway almost as slick as an ice rink given the generous coating of rain that was left to freeze. This is a situation where the only way to avoid an accident is to stay home. Or have the state treat the roads like they are supposed to. Very poor that this was allowed to happen, the weather conditions shouldn't have been a surprise.
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:03 PM   #354
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I'm curious what you think snow tires on some of those cars would have done to change the outcome? It was an untreated highway almost as slick as an ice rink given the generous coating of rain that was left to freeze. This is a situation where the only way to avoid an accident is to stay home. Or have the state treat the roads like they are supposed to. Very poor that this was allowed to happen, the weather conditions shouldn't have been a surprise.
So you believe all 72 vehicles involved were completely helpless?

2009 Winter Tire Test - We compare four categories of tires able to deal with winter and come up with some surprising results.

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 30-0mph snow braking: 123 feet
Michelin MXM4 A/S 30-0mph snow braking: 105 feet
Michelin Pilot Alpin PS3 30-0mph snow braking: 95 feet
Michelin X-Ice Xi2 30-0mph snow braking: 83 feet
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:16 PM   #355
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So you believe all 72 vehicles involved were completely helpless?

2009 Winter Tire Test - We compare four categories of tires able to deal with winter and come up with some surprising results.

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 30-0mph snow braking: 123 feet
Michelin MXM4 A/S 30-0mph snow braking: 105 feet
Michelin Pilot Alpin PS3 30-0mph snow braking: 95 feet
Michelin X-Ice Xi2 30-0mph snow braking: 83 feet
Average speed on 290 was probably more like 60 if not more. If we unscientifically double those stopping estimates, an average winter tire would take 190' and the best would still take you 166' to stop, that sounds helpless to me.
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:37 PM   #356
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Plus those are snow distances, not ice.
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:37 PM   #357
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I don't think any tire could have prevented the pileup
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:53 PM   #358
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So you believe all 72 vehicles involved were completely helpless?

2009 Winter Tire Test - We compare four categories of tires able to deal with winter and come up with some surprising results.

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 30-0mph snow braking: 123 feet
Michelin MXM4 A/S 30-0mph snow braking: 105 feet
Michelin Pilot Alpin PS3 30-0mph snow braking: 95 feet
Michelin X-Ice Xi2 30-0mph snow braking: 83 feet

Not at all, just looking at the bigger picture. This was a large pileup, if you were in a car with snows in the middle of this your fate wouldn't be much different as those around you would be ping ponging off of you and everyone else. And your numbers above shows "snow braking" a far cry from black ice conditions. Maybe if the first car(s) had been on the proper tires the catalyst for this event would have been delayed but it really comes down to the road conditions. If the state had salted the road it would have been a wet mess that virtually any tires would have handled.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:01 PM   #359
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I drive this section of 290 every day and its a terrible spot to be in. Short of having studded snows this would have still occurred. This is a downhill section that was sheer ice. I am just amazed that no one was seriously injured or killed.
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Old 12-02-2013, 06:29 PM   #360
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I drive this section of 290 every day and its a terrible spot to be in. Short of having studded snows this would have still occurred. This is a downhill section that was sheer ice. I am just amazed that no one was seriously injured or killed.
Back when the BMW 635CSi coupe was a super mega-cool car (1989), my best friend managed to hit both sides of his car on the guardrails trying to avoid a jackknifed truck near the same spot. He was unhurt but

Nobody likes 290 much.....
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Old 12-02-2013, 07:06 PM   #361
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I threw on my snow tires this past Friday. Can't wait for the snow to hit!
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:15 PM   #362
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I'm curious what you think snow tires on some of those cars would have done to change the outcome? It was an untreated highway almost as slick as an ice rink given the generous coating of rain that was left to freeze. This is a situation where the only way to avoid an accident is to stay home. Or have the state treat the roads like they are supposed to. Very poor that this was allowed to happen, the weather conditions shouldn't have been a surprise.
Snow tires do in fact help even on an actual ice rink. Stopping distance on snow tires was 53% that of all season tires

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Old 12-02-2013, 10:55 PM   #363
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Snow tires do in fact help even on an actual ice rink. Stopping distance on snow tires was 53% that of all season tires
Read the thread, I know snows improve braking distances. The point is this was 60+ cars colliding, how would snows or studs have helped (much) if you were in the middle of this? You were able to slow down, but no one else could, you still get hit. The solution here isn't snow tires, it's a properly treated road.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:18 AM   #364
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I bought all seasons this year against my better judgement.

So, I'm going to play the hero.

Drive in the snow, put it up on someone's front lawn, break something, fix it, THEN put on my snows.

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Old 12-03-2013, 01:25 PM   #365
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:47 PM   #366
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Doh. I have the same situation on one of my summers that I took off.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:19 PM   #367
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stick a plug in it. done.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:20 PM   #368
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:33 PM   #369
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:54 AM   #371
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Mounted the steelies/blizzaks on Sunday. Will be my first New England winter w/ the WRX. Coming from an M3 (that I ran snows on), I'm looking forward to seeing the difference of subaru awd and good tires in the elements.

What cold psi do you guys run? Ever let a few pounds out when there is accumulation on the ground?
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:03 PM   #372
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What cold psi do you guys run? Ever let a few pounds out when there is accumulation on the ground?
Was wondering the same thing
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:26 PM   #373
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You want a smaller contact patch so you sink through the snow onto the asphalt. This isnt sand we're driving on here.

I start at 34 cold and go up from there. This helps me get some response back out of the tire. I think one winter I ran my Blizzaks at 37-38 cold while I was on coilovers..it was fun.
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:52 PM   #374
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I keep mine around 36. Just tossed my studded snows on this past weekend, now it needs to snow a bit to get some fun use.
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You want a smaller contact patch so you sink through the snow onto the asphalt. This isnt sand we're driving on here.

I start at 34 cold and go up from there. This helps me get some response back out of the tire. I think one winter I ran my Blizzaks at 37-38 cold while I was on coilovers..it was fun.
Good point, makes sense.

Mine are at 35-36 cold. Looking forward to it.
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