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Old 01-04-2014, 01:05 PM   #526
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I bought my Arctics off Craigslist a few months ago, a place that sells parts off crashed vehicles. Go to CL>Auto parts>Type in "winter" or "snow"
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Old 01-04-2014, 04:03 PM   #527
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I bought my Arctics off Craigslist a few months ago, a place that sells parts off crashed vehicles. Go to CL>Auto parts>Type in "winter" or "snow"
That's a good idea. I'm somewhat wary about buying used tires, but it definitely is cost effective
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Old 01-04-2014, 04:22 PM   #528
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My 96 OBS with General Altimax Arctic requires more throttle steering than my 02 WRX with WS50s did.
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Old 01-04-2014, 04:36 PM   #529
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That's a good idea. I'm somewhat wary about buying used tires, but it definitely is cost effective
I was too, I just checked that the treadwear was even and the speed/load ratings were appropriate. They even had the chalk markings still on!
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:05 PM   #530
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I was too, I just checked that the treadwear was even and the speed/load ratings were appropriate. They even had the chalk markings still on!
I found a dude in Boston selling some for $64 / piece and put a few inquiries on junk yards. googled the hell out of these and they are made of unobtanium for this season.

I might have to bite the bullet and get 4 new ones. then try to sell the other three. all leads are telling me "back ordered nationwide" fun stuff.

i'll give it until Wednesday before pulling the trigger.

ETA: 'said dude said that his have ONE season on them, so that would be pretty ideal for me. if he's FWD I'd probably want one of the rear ones. if he's AWD, we might have a match. LOL.

anyway, this blows.... pun intended.
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:58 AM   #531
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You folks driving on A/S tires are nuts.
Wait, what? We're not the ones driving around in a FWD in the snow, regardless of tires!

As I've said, the Yokos on the XV are "good" in the snow. They're actually the 2nd highest rated Highway All Season tire in snow performance, barely behind the Firestone Destination LE 2 and even bettering the Conitinental ExtremeContact DWS (which is a damn fine all season) in the snow.

They are not on par with snow tires, true. I will have snow tires next year when I'm no longer at optimum tread depth on the all seasons. But as almost new, they're fairly decent at the job.

We shoudl do a test. Meet in Braintree on the next storm, find a hill, and see who has a bigger problem making it up, me in the XV on "all seasons" or you in the FWD on snows.

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Old 01-06-2014, 10:42 AM   #532
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if anyone knows where i find a new or like new (6k miles or less) General Altimax Arctic 215/55R 16 93Q lemme know.

unplowed parking lot on base, hit curb. so far i've called all the big players and car is sitting @ Sullivan Tire in Bedford with the donut on. i grabbed a rental for the weekend because i had my car towed there yesterday. way to EFFING cold to be swapping on tires, plus i was working / didn't have time.

now i'm on day 2 and i'm dreading having to get 4 new tires. AAAAHHHHH

I have NTB checking, Fahey and Hogan tire as well. Tire Rack is out until the fall, they even pulled them off their website.

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You are still driving on summer tires? That's ahh, "adventurous."

Most tire dealers sell out their winter tire lines by the second storm of the season, and we've had three....This is true every year.

There is a guy - Jlogic - selling a set of snows with alloys here for $500, very fair price.

The only tire I could get for our Cruze Diesel (215/55R17) was the General AA. I bought them at Johns and Sons Tires in Manchester, NH.
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You might also try Maynard & Lesieur in Nashua NH.

I have two 225/45R17 Nokian WRG2's, the other two got whacked and have a bule in the sidewall.

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Old 01-06-2014, 12:14 PM   #533
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We shoudl do a test. Meet in Braintree on the next storm, find a hill, and see who has a bigger problem making it up, me in the XV on "all seasons" or you in the FWD on snows.
I'd rather see who can stop better going down the hill.
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:13 PM   #534
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Wait, what? We're not the ones driving around in a FWD in the snow, regardless of tires!

As I've said, the Yokos on the XV are "good" in the snow. They're actually the 2nd highest rated Highway All Season tire in snow performance, barely behind the Firestone Destination LE 2 and even bettering the Conitinental ExtremeContact DWS (which is a damn fine all season) in the snow.

They are not on par with snow tires, true. I will have snow tires next year when I'm no longer at optimum tread depth on the all seasons. But as almost new, they're fairly decent at the job.

We shoudl do a test. Meet in Braintree on the next storm, find a hill, and see who has a bigger problem making it up, me in the XV on "all seasons" or you in the FWD on snows.

--kC
I've done this test as our NH office had a private road next to it that was unplowed. It looked somewhat similar to the range at TON, with a sloped section, a flat section, and a cul de sac.

We had three cars:
- A Honda Accord with the stock Michelin All Seasons.
- A Honda Accord with Nokian RSI's.
- An Outback with Michelin All Seasons.

We rotated drivers and I told the other two "Don't say anything when we switch cars, just do the test and we will compare notes. We drove down the hill and stopped, drove around the cul de sac and stopped (on the flat), drove halfway up the hill and stopped, then started on the hill. There was about 6" of snow that had been partially packed down by other cars.

Unanimous conclusions.

1. The Accord with A/S was hopeless. It went straight when trying to turn in the cul de sac and could barely start moving after the hill stop. The owner went right out and bought snow tires the next day. He got Nokian WR's.

2. The Accord with RSI's [two generations back of their winter studless tires] was terrific. It stopped quickly with very little ABS interaction. It went around the cul de sac at reasonable speed and tracked very well. With traction control on it started OK on the hill but wouldn't generate much speed. Shutting off traction control worked a lot better.

3. The Outback was able to get moving from the hill stop a lot better than the A/S Accord and with less wheelspin than the Accord with TC off. But the stopping and turning were just as bad as the A/S. That one was mine and I got Nokian snows on it the next day.

The ContiExtremeContact used to be the only A/S allowed at the TON winter course. After a guy crashed on one of the first drills the year I went, they took it off the list. The Mountain Snowflake icon generates a lot of sales for the Nokian WR/WRG2/WRG3. So if Continental could pass the test, I think they would.

Car & Driver tested this very idea back in 1999. They used a FWD and AWD Audi A6 and a RWD and AWD Mercedes E320 to test the idea. Their conclusion was just about the same as ours.

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Four-wheel drive helps get cars going. When it comes time to brake or change direction on low-traction surfaces, the extra mass of the driveline becomes more of a detriment. Folks who live in hilly places that get snow may need the climbing capability of four-wheel drive. If it snows a lot in those hilly places, they should probably invest in winter tires, too. Even flat-landers who happen to have steep driveways may wish to consider a four-wheel-driver.

Almost everyone else will most likely be better served by using winter tires. Acceleration takes longer, but in an emergency, the handling behavior and improved lateral grip of two-wheel drive and winter tires -- in the slippery stuff -- are the safer bets.

Winter tires boosted the rwd Benz's acceleration times more than they did the fwd Audi's, but in almost every other test, the inherently front-heavy Audis derived more benefit from the winter rubber than did the more evenly balanced Benzes. This finding certainly suggests that front-drive cars benefit from winter tires as much or more than rear-drivers do.
R&T took it to the next level, suggesting that the current generation of winter tires has very good performance on dry and wet roads. They generated lap times within 2.2 seconds of performance tires with the Dunlop WinterSports.

I've been suggesting to many low yearly mileage drivers (4-8,000 miles per year) in Boston that they use a snow tire year-round, rather than an A/S. The people who have taken me up on the idea have been very pleased.
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:45 PM   #535
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4-8k per year? Why have a car at all?

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(I do about 2k/month)
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Old 01-06-2014, 04:26 PM   #536
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some people don't feel the need to commute 1.5 hours, or live in the boonies. I know, it's quite a foreign concept to most everyone in the new england area. That can be seen by the traffic jambs that occur at 5 am.

I like only driving 3 miles to work. I like that my wife walks to work. It saves a lot of money and headaches, and gave room for me to buy a motorcycle. Plus, I don't lose large portions of my life sitting in a car stuck in traffic. That's not living.

My issue is that I switch between summer and snow tires and find myself replacing them because they're old and starting to crack rather than being worn. I just got rid of the original tires on my car (almost 5 years old), and they still had 4/32'nds on them. I only got rid of them because of the cracking.

I used to drive my dunlop wintersports HARD in the dry and wet when I lived in seattle. They only lasted two seasons before the sipping was totally destroyed, making the tires useless in the snow. They still had 6/32'nds when I took them off. (granted, that's about the useful lifespan of a winter tire... after that they're about as good as an all-season).
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Old 01-06-2014, 04:37 PM   #537
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4-8k per year? Why have a car at all?

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(I do about 2k/month)
Cause I'm not gonna walk 8k miles! Five year old Mini has <40k miles on it, wife drives it almost every day.
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:09 PM   #538
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"The more you drive, the less intelligent you are."
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:45 PM   #539
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You are still driving on summer tires? That's ahh, "adventurous."

Most tire dealers sell out their winter tire lines by the second storm of the season, and we've had three....This is true every year.

There is a guy - Jlogic - selling a set of snows with alloys here for $500, very fair price.

The only tire I could get for our Cruze Diesel (215/55R17) was the General AA. I bought them at Johns and Sons Tires in Manchester, NH.
541 Amory St, Manchester, NH 03102
(603) 627-1585

No affiliation, just a customer.

You might also try Maynard & Lesieur in Nashua NH.

I have two 225/45R17 Nokian WRG2's, the other two got whacked and have a bule in the sidewall.
i'm not driving on my OEM's. that's just crazy!

the guy from Craigslist e-mailed me back stating that he wanted to sell the tires as a set, totally understandable.

unfortunately, i don't have time and need my car so i'm getting all seasons put on tomorrow. i'm so mad right now it's not even funny.

hopefully i can sell at least 2 of the Artic's to offset the cost. there goes my snow shoe and winter trail shoe money. 1st world problems, i know.

it just sucks. i really liked the traction on them. driving around in the rental, a Camry w/ All seasons / FWD was just insane. but i'll live. i made it through 3 winters with a RWD hemi magnum on All seasons. rofl.

ETA: i saw that ad, thank you. i thought about it but i don't want to collect wheels and tires in my basement. also, the Atlimax Artics are pretty much backordered nationwide. i mentioned that before. sad panda is very sad. $518 tomorrow for some Yoko's (all seasons)
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Old 01-07-2014, 01:54 PM   #540
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Cause I'm not gonna walk 8k miles!
Well, yeah... BESIDES that!

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Old 01-07-2014, 05:56 PM   #541
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ugh. got my all seasons on. it drives like a totally different car. omg. those Artics are loud, but I love them. the Yoko's feel like any other all season tire. quiet, smooth, but I know they won't go through snow like the Artics.

anyway, I now have three Altimax Artics taking up space, will do a WTS thread. figured I'd give the heads up here first since they seem to be popular in NESIC. 215/55/16 93Q

they have less than 8k miles on them. rough estimate from last winter (6k) and the last 2(ISH) months, about 2k. give or take.
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Old 01-09-2014, 07:53 PM   #542
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Do you guys think these are a good option for the stock wheels?

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/pts/4272209667.html
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:23 PM   #543
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Anyone know of a TPMS solution thats convenient?

One option is having a tire shop reset the car every season.
I'm reading about cloning TPMS, which is great if I can get them already cloned. Any local shops stock and clone on-site? I dont want to buy a set of TPMS and then a programmer, it would take too amny seasons to pay for itself. As it is I took pictures of 3 of 4 current TPMS, but not having that one means I still need to have someone read the current one to get the one I missed.

Sorry for the early Winter tire thread bump but I imagine it'll take me a few weeks at least to sort out these stupid sensors.
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:33 PM   #544
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It's a good reminder I need to get some hub rings for the ST. PITA plastic pieces of junk. I guess I'll get steel ones.
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It reminds me I still need to buy a winter car.
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Old 10-09-2014, 07:42 PM   #546
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Default You guys put on your snows tires yet? (MA)

Are you talking about General Altimax Arctics? Although they're my first winter tire I found them to be very quiet and comfortable as far as tires go. Not sure how they rank in that regard as winters... At least compared to Ventus V12 EVO summer tires. :lol;
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Anyone know of a TPMS solution thats convenient?

One option is having a tire shop reset the car every season.
I'm reading about cloning TPMS, which is great if I can get them already cloned. Any local shops stock and clone on-site? I dont want to buy a set of TPMS and then a programmer, it would take too amny seasons to pay for itself. As it is I took pictures of 3 of 4 current TPMS, but not having that one means I still need to have someone read the current one to get the one I missed.

Sorry for the early Winter tire thread bump but I imagine it'll take me a few weeks at least to sort out these stupid sensors.



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Old 10-09-2014, 10:26 PM   #548
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My wife's TPMS light has been on all summer. I have the TPMS's that are with the snow tires in the computer so she can disable traction control if needed in ****ty conditions. It doesn't fail inspection and a honda accord driven by my wife doesn't need to turn the TCS off for smoky burnouts during the summer.
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Or just forget it is there. This is my 1st car with them and i don't even acknowledge it. I'm looking at too many other things (road mostly) to care. Isn't it just like a lot of other cluster lights?
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My wife's TPMS light has been on all summer. I have the TPMS's that are with the snow tires in the computer so she can disable traction control if needed in ****ty conditions. It doesn't fail inspection and a honda accord driven by my wife doesn't need to turn the TCS off for smoky burnouts during the summer.
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Or just forget it is there. This is my 1st car with them and i don't even acknowledge it. I'm looking at too many other things (road mostly) to care. Isn't it just like a lot of other cluster lights?
i've been looking at the light in my frs for over a year and half.

no issues with inspection or traction control deactivation.
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