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Old 11-29-2012, 04:09 PM   #51
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I'll also +1 on the OEM stuff, I won't even sell the Gates stuff, not a fan.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:40 PM   #52
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I'll also +1 on the OEM stuff, I won't even sell the Gates stuff, not a fan.


I won't ether I tell them if you want it get it and bring the part's to me. I just let them know you could end up paying me twice to do this job. The belt's seem decent.

I will say I had got some vacuum hose from Dyco that was junk. It actually shrank on the barbs and leaked. We use to stock Dyco belt's and they are great also. Hopefully we will do the same in out new place when it get's going again.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #53
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I don't know about the tensioner or water pump but the bearings are all Japanese, NTN Koyo etc for the gates timing kit. Same manufacturers as OEM stuff. The only issue I've seen is a water pump leak out of one of the fittings. The pump lasted a couple years before the fitting leaked I'm not sure why it happened. I have several friends using gates kits, and I used it on a couple cars also. I don't like the water pump gasket but if you're building an engine it's not a big deal since you have a gasket kit. I think it's a good kit.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:14 PM   #54
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I don't know about the tensioner or water pump but the bearings are all Japanese, NTN Koyo etc for the gates timing kit. Same manufacturers as OEM stuff. The only issue I've seen is a water pump leak out of one of the fittings. The pump lasted a couple years before the fitting leaked I'm not sure why it happened. I have several friends using gates kits, and I used it on a couple cars also. I don't like the water pump gasket but if you're building an engine it's not a big deal since you have a gasket kit. I think it's a good kit.
This is true as far as the bearings go.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:23 PM   #55
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On my own motor I used a gates idler, and it failed after 1200 miles, timing belt jumped two teeth, I'm glad it wasn't anymore.

I won't use/sell Gates anything


Just a personal preference, I just assume that my customers want the best, and I only will offer the best. I'm a big believer in "you get what you pay for"

I may not do a ton of business, but it comes down to quality, not quantity. I'm happy as a clam that way.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:56 PM   #56
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I totally agree with the quality over quantity idea. However when the pulleys are all the same as OEM I can't say there is a quality issue. Subaru actually changed the small idler pulley because they screwed up the original design. Weird because you can still buy it from subaru. Depending what gates kit you get you get the old small idler too. The tensioner itself and water pump I can't say they are for sure the same. But I would guess the water pump is the same as OEM. The casting I compared to the OEM one looked the same. The tensioner has the same pulley but internally could be different on the hydraulic part I guess. Gates supplies OEM stuff too though so I sort of doubt it. I think Gates gets the same parts and charges less. Subaru charges a lot for their parts. Plus although I agree with using most oem parts, that's obviously not always the case. Just look at the pistons LOL.
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I totally agree with the quality over quantity idea. However when the pulleys are all the same as OEM I can't say there is a quality issue. Subaru actually changed the small idler pulley because they screwed up the original design. Weird because you can still buy it from subaru. Depending what gates kit you get you get the old small idler too. The tensioner itself and water pump I can't say they are for sure the same. But I would guess the water pump is the same as OEM. The casting I compared to the OEM one looked the same. The tensioner has the same pulley but internally could be different on the hydraulic part I guess. Gates supplies OEM stuff too though so I sort of doubt it. I think Gates gets the same parts and charges less. Subaru charges a lot for their parts. Plus although I agree with using most oem parts, that's obviously not always the case. Just look at the pistons LOL.

I agree with not always the case, but with gaskets, and timing components, and from personal experience I'll practice what I preach.

on the flipside, there's a NTN office nearby me, I should stop in and chat with a rep.

A plus living in the Midwest, a ton of manufacturing facilities headquartered here.

I'll take San Diego weather any day though
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:35 AM   #58
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Maybe they will know a bit about the industry workings. Don't happen to have gates near by do you? Lol.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:55 AM   #59
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Maybe they will know a bit about the industry workings. Don't happen to have gates near by do you? Lol.
I know about industry workings, I was more referring to finding out if part # correlate.

its all probably the same crap, I just had bad experiences, and to save a couple bucks on a 4K motor, not worth it IMO.


If I had a failure on a OEM part within a reasonable time frame, my Subaru parts guy would take care of me, no questions asked.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:22 AM   #60
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I know about industry workings, I was more referring to finding out if part # correlate.

its all probably the same crap, I just had bad experiences, and to save a couple bucks on a 4K motor, not worth it IMO.


If I had a failure on a OEM part within a reasonable time frame, my Subaru parts guy would take care of me, no questions asked.
Bearings are mostly the same I've matched up part numbers in the dyco and gates kit's not all on sti's some outbacks and stuff. But you will notice the seals are different colors. Some are green black and blue.

We are totally taking over threads everywhere lol.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:29 AM   #61
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alright, alright,

back on topic.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:31 PM   #62
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alright, alright,

back on topic.
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Any updates? My buddies and I have bets rolling on it.....
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:41 PM   #63
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No updates yet been to lazy and had no motivation to tear into it lol. I will this sunday
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:31 AM   #64
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Ahh c'mon...
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:08 AM   #65
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Ahh c'mon...
That's what I'm saying! I'd be out in the garage even if the world was ending!
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:33 PM   #66
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That's what I'm saying! I'd be out in the garage even if the world was ending!

Yea for sure. I need to get my car finished ASAP 2012 is ending the is coming!
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:37 PM   #67
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lol, I've been putting off simply changing my oil this morning...let alone pulling a valve cover, etc. I'd probably sweep it under the rug if I knew I had to do that much work. I used to not care and would work all night...I must be too old now. haha. I can't imagine what 30 will be like...
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:53 PM   #68
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I can't imagine what 30 will be like...



It's not that bad.....
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:27 PM   #69
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39 here and life started to suck after college. I hope 40 get better!
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:46 AM   #70
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Ha! 32 and busier than ever! Finally makin money I wish I was making when I was 22 to fund my go fast goodies addiction, my woman is 25, which keeps me plenty lively as well.. Soooo, back to the car.. any progress on trouble shooting?!!
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It's not that bad.....
Lol. Ya. Im a couple months from 29.
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Pulled the valve cover didnt really see anything wrong visually. My feeler gauges are at work so I will grab those tmr and see if I can check the valve lash. Drained the oil didnt notice any abnormal shavings on my drain plug.

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Check AVCS solenoid and belt tensioner
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Check AVCS solenoid and belt tensioner
Avcs solenoid I'm fairly sure is operating correctly based on viewing the cam1&2 advance parameters on my ems. Any way to check the tensioner without the car running? I'm 99% sure it's not that but I guess you never know.
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Avcs solenoid I'm fairly sure is operating correctly based on viewing the cam1&2 advance parameters on my ems. Any way to check the tensioner without the car running? I'm 99% sure it's not that but I guess you never know.
I was going to make a small hole in my timing cover to see if mine has been leaking any fluid. Trick is finding the perfect spot to make the hole. I haven't done mine yet I will tomorrow and post a pick for you to save you about 2 hour's of your life. The hole will only be large enough to fit my snapon snake camera into. Same one I use to take pictures of valves and the tops of pistons.
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