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View Poll Results: Who will be the biggest surprise of the 2013 World Driver's Championship?
Sebastian Vettel 5 4.72%
Mark Webber 2 1.89%
Fernando Alonso 9 8.49%
Felipe Massa 7 6.60%
Kimi Raikkonen 32 30.19%
Romain Grosjean 5 4.72%
Lewis Hamilton 13 12.26%
Nico Rosberg 1 0.94%
Jenson Button 5 4.72%
Sergio Perez 9 8.49%
Nico Hulkenberg 2 1.89%
Esteban Gutierrez 0 0%
Pastor Maldonado 2 1.89%
Valtteri Bottas 0 0%
Jean-Eric Vergne 1 0.94%
Daniel Ricciardo 1 0.94%
Charles Pic 0 0%
Vitaly Petrov 2 1.89%
Timo Glock 2 1.89%
Paul di Resta 1 0.94%
Someone else 2 1.89%
Bernie Ecclestone 5 4.72%
Voters: 106. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-30-2012, 08:38 AM   #26
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considering the ferrari was a much worse car than the redbull this year, ferrari should be able to win. look how close it was with a much crapperererer car.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:31 AM   #27
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for RedBull to win the championship. Webber is no team player, and hes a mediocre driver.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #28
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Bartender! Another pint of Ferrari kool-aid for my friend here!
i'm not a ferrari fan. in fact i don't care for alonso in the slighest and think massa's the biggest douche out.

seriously think about it. it was that close with cars that were that far apart. if ferrari improve their car, they should win.

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for RedBull to win the championship. Webber is no team player, and hes a mediocre driver.
couldn't be more full of BS if you tried. webber's had plenty of wins, outqualified seb plenty of times, ran the fastest lap of the race plenty of times, etc etc. he's just a combination of extremely unlucky and a very poor starter. it's not often you see him passed on anything other than the first lap really.

you don't win at monaco or outqualify vettel by being mediocre.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:54 AM   #29
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Nice!
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:09 AM   #30
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Webber has helped Red Bull win 3 constructor's championships in a row. Just because he doesn't bend over like Massa doesn't mean he isn't a team player.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:24 AM   #31
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why do you think RBR has had such a huge margin over 2nd place in the constructors championship the last 3 years? because webber.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:49 AM   #32
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Webber is now 6th in the standing, he was 3rd in 2011 and 2010, and in 2013 he wont be better than 6th again
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:46 PM   #33
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Webber 2013 WDC
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:07 PM   #34
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100 Dollarbucks that Webber will not be the Formula 1 World Champion 2013
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:07 PM   #35
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I place Webber in about the same driving company as Button, and a little behind Raikkonen. if he's got a great car, he excels on certain tracks (Silverstone, for example). For my money he's the best #2 driver out there, and his results have been pivotal in locking up the constructor's championship.

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“So, no, I’m not going there thinking in a supporting role at all.”
Mclaren has had a ton of good results as well, but rarely did both Mclarens excel on the same race day. If Hamilton put it on the front row Button got his ass kicked in quali, or Button did great in the race and Hamilton broke down/crashed out.

Side note: recently Webber's stated he's not a #2 driver ("I won't move over for anybody"), but I'll always remember his win in 2010 at Silverstone after he had to give up his development front wing to Vettel (after Vettel's failed in practice). "Not bad for a number two driver. Cheers!"
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:08 PM   #36
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Where Mclaren claims equality and no team orders, webber is still the best true number 2 driver on grid since 2010.
1 VET 6 WEB
2 ALO 7 MAS
3 RAI 8 GRO

kind of wierd how that worked out.
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Webber is no team player, and hes a mediocre driver.
If by refusing to be Vettel's bitch, then yeah, I guess he's not a team player.

If by simply not being golden boy Vettel, then yeah, I guess he's mediocre.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:29 PM   #38
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seriously think about it. it was that close with cars that were that far apart. if ferrari improve their car, they should win.
My point was that this year's Ferrari was not the lame dog everyone wanted to believe it was. They just milked that perception all year to add to the Ferrari mystique and make Alonso look like a hero. It obviously worked.

Was it as well-sorted as the Red Bull? Nope, but it wasn't the rolling red turd people wanted it to be, either.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:32 PM   #39
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couldn't be more full of BS if you tried. webber's had plenty of wins, outqualified seb plenty of times, ran the fastest lap of the race plenty of times, etc etc. he's just a combination of extremely unlucky and a very poor starter. it's not often you see him passed on anything other than the first lap really.

you don't win at monaco or outqualify vettel by being mediocre.
But I certainly agree with you there.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:34 PM   #40
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Side note: recently Webber's stated he's not a #2 driver ("I won't move over for anybody"), but I'll always remember his win in 2010 at Silverstone after he had to give up his development front wing to Vettel (after Vettel's failed in practice). "Not bad for a number two driver. Cheers!"
Yeah, that's called 'sarcasm'.
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Where Mclaren claims equality and no team orders, webber is still the best true number 2 driver on grid since 2010.
1 VET 6 WEB
2 ALO 7 MAS
3 RAI 8 GRO

kind of wierd how that worked out.
are the mclarens jammed in there at 4/5. maybe if they had a #2 driver they could have taken more points off flerlaarlu
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:18 PM   #42
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yes, they are 4 and 5. i hope they make jenson a clear number 1 next year. but idk. haven't their drivers always been 'equal'?
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:49 PM   #43
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I heard Honda actually had three different car designs being worked on simultaneously. They threw the kitchen sink (and a ton of $$) at the problem. Throw a merc engine in the back, and suddenly you had a design that magically worked, and arguably the best engine out there at the time. I recall Renault asked twice for engine parity upgrades and Ferrari at least once to get on a level field with Merc. Sometimes ya just get lucky.

I agree, though...how the hell have Merc not been able to keep it together? I thought they stole a march on everyone with the double DRS, and their early win in China really had me thinking they might hang with the big boys.

Maybe this year?
Honda did have three wind tunnels to confirm the design of what became the BGP001. However, if you take away the double diffuser and it became a car with the pace of the Mercedes that spawned from it. The double diffuser wasn't even orginally part of the cars design, it was something that was supposed to go onto the Super Aguri that never came to be and was integrated into the car. It really was a flash in the pan, not a technical breakthrough like the RB5.
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Pole added! I didn't ask who you thought would win the WDC, I asked instead who you thought would be the biggest surprise of 2013. Could it be someone new on the scene? An old favourite in a new car? Or someone you expect to dominate who gets thrown into the weeds with mistakes and unreliability?

Please justify your choice.

I went with Hamilton. I think his inputs could turn a predictably-bad Merc into a decent car this year that wins a few races. So, compared to 2012, it might just be running near the front of the field.
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Biggest Surprise Bold Prediction: Conor Daly, in a substitute role mid-season, will score points for Force India in his F1 debut.

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KIMI! unless they add additional escape roads to the circuits...
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poll needs more monyota
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That would be a surprise.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:01 PM   #49
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I'm picking Hamilton because fanboy.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:40 PM   #50
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I'm picking Hamilton because fanboy.
I picked Alonso mostly for the same reason. That and he clearly still has the ability.
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