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View Poll Results: Who will be the biggest surprise of the 2013 World Driver's Championship?
Sebastian Vettel 5 4.72%
Mark Webber 2 1.89%
Fernando Alonso 9 8.49%
Felipe Massa 7 6.60%
Kimi Raikkonen 32 30.19%
Romain Grosjean 5 4.72%
Lewis Hamilton 13 12.26%
Nico Rosberg 1 0.94%
Jenson Button 5 4.72%
Sergio Perez 9 8.49%
Nico Hulkenberg 2 1.89%
Esteban Gutierrez 0 0%
Pastor Maldonado 2 1.89%
Valtteri Bottas 0 0%
Jean-Eric Vergne 1 0.94%
Daniel Ricciardo 1 0.94%
Charles Pic 0 0%
Vitaly Petrov 2 1.89%
Timo Glock 2 1.89%
Paul di Resta 1 0.94%
Someone else 2 1.89%
Bernie Ecclestone 5 4.72%
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:51 PM   #126
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the leaseholder of the Nürburgring filed for bankruptcy.

the "owner" of the ring is trying to get them out of business, but the negotiations failed.
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That whole situation is a huge cluster f. They dumped so much more money than they needed to into the track. It's nice, and I went right after completion and enjoyed the new amenities, but they are/were running the show like a bunch of idiots
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:04 PM   #127
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Didn't they have to reduce the speed of that stupid roller coaster that they put in? What does it do down the straight now, 20?
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:25 PM   #128
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That whole situation is a huge cluster f. They dumped so much more money than they needed to into the track. It's nice, and I went right after completion and enjoyed the new amenities, but they are/were running the show like a bunch of idiots
they didnīt dumped a single dime into the track

they wasted the money for a rollercoaster that doesnīt work and will never work

they wasted the money for an e-card system nobody needs

they wasted money for concrete buildings nobody needs

and they betrayed us all and filled their deep pockets with the money, they stole it!
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:28 PM   #129
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Didn't they have to reduce the speed of that stupid roller coaster that they put in? What does it do down the straight now, 20?
the roller coaster never worked, not one single ticket was sold.

itīs more or less clear that the rollercoaster will be dissambled and scrapped
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:36 PM   #130
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they didnīt dumped a single dime into the track

they wasted the money for a rollercoaster that doesnīt work and will never work

they wasted the money for an e-card system nobody needs

they wasted money for concrete buildings nobody needs

and they betrayed us all and filled their deep pockets with the money, they stole it!
By track I mean the overall project
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:39 PM   #131
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these are side projects, never wanted, never needed
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:29 PM   #132
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Germany: overengineering everything.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:24 PM   #133
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Except that roller coaster.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:01 AM   #134
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Except that roller coaster.
yeah, because the german supplier was low-balled by american crap

http://www.engineeringexcitement.com/

these idiots from Utah arenīt able to deliver a working rollercoaster
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Don't they build a bunch of great coasters stateside?
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:07 AM   #136
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I donīt know and I donīt care, fact: they are not able to get this thing to work, there were tests and accidents and failures....maybe our safety standards are too high
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:35 AM   #137
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Norbert Haug has left Mercedes, nobody knows at this time if he or Mercedes wanted the divorce
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:39 AM   #138
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WHAT???????????? He's been with them forever.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:02 AM   #139
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Here, let me do the heavy lifting for you

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104815

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Norbert Haug to leave Mercedes role at the end of 2012

Norbert Haug will leave his role as Mercedes motorsport chief at the end of 2012 after 22 years in the role.

The 60-year-old German oversaw Mercedes' return to Formula 1 in 1994, initially as an engine supplier with Sauber and then McLaren.

Mercedes returned as a full constructor in 2010 when the manufacturer bought the then world champion Brawn team.

In his time in charge Mercedes-powered drivers and teams have won 87 grands prix and a total of six world titles.

"I would like to thank the best car company in the world for more than 22 years, which never had a single moment without passion for me," Haug said.

"I particularly wish to thank the board for the trust and freedom they have always given me with all my activities.

"Since 1991, we had tremendous achievements and wins, for which I want to thank all of my colleagues.

"Unfortunately, with one victory in 2012 since founding our own Formula 1 works team in 2010, we couldn't fulfil our own expectations.

"However, we have taken the right steps to be successful in the future. Our team and our drivers will do everything to achieve these goals."

Dieter Zetsche, CEO of Mercedes owner Daimler, paid tribute to Haug's commitment over the past 22 years.

"Norbert Haug was the face of the Mercedes-Benz Motorsport programme for more than 20 years," he said.

"For me, he put his stamp on a whole era and, as a highlight, he was responsible for the successful comeback of the Silver Arrows to Formula 1.

"In the name of the board of management and the whole motorsport family, I would like to thank Norbert for his extraordinary commitment to the three-pointed star."

Mercedes DTM driver Gary Paffett said he was sorry Haug was leaving.

"Sad to see a man that has done so much for me move on," he wrote on Twitter.

Haug has not revealed what he plans to do following his Mercedes departure.

Haug in numbers

1990 - The year in which Haug became Mercedes motorsport vice-president. He joined on October 1, just days before Jean-Louis Schlesser and Mauro Baldi clinched the World Sportscar title in a Mercedes C11

986 – Total number of races featuring a factory Mercedes presence during the Haug era. The three-pointed star won 439 of them, or 45 per cent if you prefer.

500 – Mercedes built an engine with the aim specifically to win the Indianapolis 500, and achieved it in 1994 with Penske and Al Unser Jr, breaking its CART duck in the process. Eighteen more victories followed, with Unser and Greg Moore recording five of them each.

87 – Number of Formula 1 wins taken by Mercedes-powered cars during the Haug era. Mika Hakkinen took all 20 of his grand prix wins and his 1998-99 titles in McLaren-Mercedes. Lewis Hamilton in 2008 and Jenson Button in 2009 followed with McLaren and Brawn. The three-pointed star also powered cars to two constructors' titles.

19 – total number of DTM titles won, nine drivers' crowns courtesy of Klaus Ludwig, Bernd Schneider, Gary Paffett and Paul di Resta and 10 constructors' prizes.

13 – Drivers' titles won in major Formula 3 championships since Mercedes' engine programme began during the last decade. Jamie Green won the first in the Euro Series in 2004, while Lewis Hamilton, Paul di Resta, Nico Hulkenberg, Romain Grosjean and Jaime Alguersuari followed. A total of 189 major F3 wins have been scored, including 10 at the Masters and four at Macau.

10 – Mercedes won all 10 races of the 1998 FIA GT Championship; Ludwig and Ricardo Zonta taking the drivers' title ahead of '97 champion Bernd Schneider and Mark Webber.

2 – Championships won in the short-lived DTM successor, the ITC. Schneider again took the drivers' crown while a squad including Dario Franchitti.

1 – Number of grand prix wins gained by Mercedes as a constructor since returning to F1 in 2010. Nico Rosberg scored the victory at this year's Chinese Grand Prix.
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:35 AM   #140
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These engine suppliers need to stay engine suppliers. When will they learn?

"Jaguar"/Ford
Honda
Toyota
Renault
BMW

and it's just a matter of time for Merc.
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I donīt know and I donīt care, fact: they are not able to get this thing to work, there were tests and accidents and failures....maybe our safety standards are too high
I bet 7.65 euros it was a metric/SAE conversion problem.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:47 AM   #142
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Wow...British GP tickets are really expensive this year. Some tickets are over $700 for 3-day admissions after the booking fees. Lots of the grandstands are uncovered, too, so getting soaked is always a risk.

It looks like after last year's parking disaster (due to flooding and campsite closure) is being resolved the traditional English way: by raising prices. Car park tickets are $143 for a weekend, but you can park and ride from the M1 or M40 for only $30 for an entire weekend.

I'm going to have to think about this one for a while. I might not be able to see all the races I want this year.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:17 AM   #143
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Adrian Sutil is back, with Force India
well, today was the Race of Champions, Adrian Sutil was interviewed, still no confirmation, no signed contract....
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:26 PM   #144
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Schumacher & Vettel won the Nations Cup for Germany. No surprise.

Grosjean won the individual title.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:58 PM   #145
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I guess he can run pretty well when there's only one other car to run into.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:01 PM   #146
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These engine suppliers need to stay engine suppliers. When will they learn?

"Jaguar"/Ford
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Renault
BMW

and it's just a matter of time for Merc.
Renault? They did just fine as a team.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:40 PM   #147
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Both times, even.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:10 PM   #148
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I voted someone else!

Barrichello
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:07 PM   #149
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Well Grosjean just re-signed with Lotus, so that's the biggest surprise of the 2013 WDC so far.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:32 PM   #150
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I wonder if winning the RoC had anything to do with it.

I am not really surprised at all. He had excellent pace in quite a few races, including Valencia where he led until his alternator failed. He was good often enough in quali as well.
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