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View Poll Results: Who will be the biggest surprise of the 2013 World Driver's Championship?
Sebastian Vettel 5 4.72%
Mark Webber 2 1.89%
Fernando Alonso 9 8.49%
Felipe Massa 7 6.60%
Kimi Raikkonen 32 30.19%
Romain Grosjean 5 4.72%
Lewis Hamilton 13 12.26%
Nico Rosberg 1 0.94%
Jenson Button 5 4.72%
Sergio Perez 9 8.49%
Nico Hulkenberg 2 1.89%
Esteban Gutierrez 0 0%
Pastor Maldonado 2 1.89%
Valtteri Bottas 0 0%
Jean-Eric Vergne 1 0.94%
Daniel Ricciardo 1 0.94%
Charles Pic 0 0%
Vitaly Petrov 2 1.89%
Timo Glock 2 1.89%
Paul di Resta 1 0.94%
Someone else 2 1.89%
Bernie Ecclestone 5 4.72%
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:34 PM   #151
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"I'm a doctor, and I'm righteously pissed off!"

http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/story/97580.html

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FIA chief doctor Gary Hartstein has declared his anger at the FIA, saying he is "righteously pissed off" to have lost his job.

Hartstein revealed on Twitter in November that he had been informed that the decision not to renew his Formula One contract had been taken by Jean Todt and the president of the FIA Medical Commission. However, having originally said it is "not down to me to know" the reasons for the change, Hartstein has today taken to Twitter once again to voice his anger and declare that he is set to challenge the FIA's decision.

"It's taken a while, but I am righteously pissed off," Hartstein wrote. "I might launch a crusade to get some answers, or get my f***ing job back, or let the world know what's REALLY going on on the medical side of the FIA. Understand this: I am NOT bitter or sad. I am seriously angry. And that's bad.

"Not sure how or when, but there's dark clouds a-gatherin'. This is gonna be a f***ing blast!"

Hartstein later added: "Ok now we all need to be patient. I'll tweet my usual blather for a few weeks then we'll see where we're at."
This makes me wonder if Professor Sid Watkins' word was the only thing keeping this guy employed. Sid dies and this guy gets axed.

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I wonder if winning the RoC had anything to do with it.

I am not really surprised at all. He had excellent pace in quite a few races, including Valencia where he led until his alternator failed. He was good often enough in quali as well.
since boullier manages him, i dont think his seat was really in any danger. it looks like they were just hearing out Kamui and his corporate sponsors: http://www.kamui-kobayashi.com/wpcontents/?p=7716
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"I'm a doctor, and I'm righteously pissed off!"
maybe a clue as to why they didn't renew his contract is in his current behavior.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:42 PM   #154
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maybe a clue as to why they didn't renew his contract is in his current behavior.
I'm kind of interested to hear what skeletons the FIA might have in their closet that he can reveal.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:48 PM   #155
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Turning the discussion to regulation changes, in what areas will we primarily see development? Every year the regulations get tighter and tighter in the name of *cough*stiflingcreativity*cough*...er....cost savings.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/0/939.html
I believe the Coanda exhaust bodywork will continue to see refinement. Mclaren's idea has been copied by nearly every team with fairly consistent results. I found it surprising how long it took Lotus to finally get theirs.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technic.../880/1018.html
Another development I expect to see is the exhaust expansion chamber. The article propses its function is to optimize torque, but a secondary benefit would be the blown effect while off-throttle. When the engine is at full throttle, exhaust pours out and increases aero loading on the surfaces within its wake. When the driver suddenly lifts (often accompanied by braking forces which tend to lift the rear of the car relative to the front), the exhaust flow into the pipes abruptly stops, and the pipes quickly empty to equalize air pressure to the surrounding atmosphere. The expansion chamber adds a small, but critical, amount of exhaust gas to the off-throttle event, enabling the RBR to maintain as much rear downforce as possible until the driver can get on-throttle again. Every time the driver hits the throttle the pipe will "refill" with exhaust gas and hold it until the next off-throttle event.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technic.../881/1025.html
http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...2/873/985.html
Mercedes and Lotus experimented with a passive DRS enhancement activated by a fluid switch that was speed-dependent. Can anyone tune this elusive enhancement?

I believe the teams will also continue to experiment with various turning vanes around the radiator inlets. Currently, Mclaren is the only team with their particular design of a horizontal wing that curves to the vertical as it passes outside the bodywork. I suppose this helps the air stay attached as is descends down the sidepod toward the Coanda exhaust, helping to guide the exhaust flow. RBR has their turning vane positioned fairly far outward from the corner of the bodywork, but it ends just after reaching the top of the sidepod.

Lotus wil continue to lead the charge with various designs of front wings as well.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:00 PM   #156
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Well Grosjean just re-signed with Lotus, so that's the biggest surprise of the 2013 WDC so far.
I'm not particularly surprised. The kid's fast. Too fast to let go after a season in which he matched pace with his world champion teammate. No doubt he has improvements to make, but the potential is there in abundance.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:56 PM   #157
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Exactly. I'm glad he's staying. He has lots of potential but just hasn't done much with it yet. He's like F1's own 'Nuke' Laloosh.

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what is wrong with that guy's hand! it is massive!
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:01 AM   #159
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Max Chilton is in at Marussia.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:25 AM   #160
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Which leaves only two spots left at Caterham and Force India.

Who would you pick?
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:34 AM   #161
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I'd pick Force India so I could stare at DIR's dreamy eyes in the garage all day.
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that's what I get for posting at four in the morning...I was thinking more along the lines of which drivers still out there would you pick for those remaining seats.

I'd also pick Force India but purely on their livery being so much more fun then Caterham's.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:49 PM   #163
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i would pick bruno senna for FI.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:59 PM   #164
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Bruno will be lucky if he gets the Caterham drive.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:21 PM   #165
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I have no big hopes for Sutil anymore
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:41 PM   #166
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Sutil will look forward to holding hands with Hamilton again.





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Old 12-18-2012, 07:29 PM   #167
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My team by team preview I posted on another forum...figure you all would enjoy the read

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Driver 1: Sebastian Vettel
Driver 2: Mark Webber
2012 Review: Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull began the 2012 season as favorites to take both championships. A dodgy start saw Vettel take only one victory in the first thirteen races, but from Singapore onwards he was the fastest driver in the fastest car. Four straight victories ate up Alonso's 39 point lead and he did just enough in the last three races to secure his third straight title. Webber had two brilliant victories in Monaco and Silverstone, but faded thereafter, only appearing on the podium twice in the second half of the season.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Vettel 11, Webber 9
2013 Preview: Red Bull looks to continue where they left off at the end of 2012. Their 2013 car will largely be based off of their highly successful RB8, and as of right now are most certainly the favorites to take both titles yet again.


Driver 1: Fernando Alonso
Driver 2: Felipe Massa
2012 Review: Alonso started the season by being eliminated in Q2, over a second off of the pace. He miraculously won the next race, and by the Italian GP in September had a further two victories and a seemingly insurmountable 39 point championship lead. However, he would never have the fastest car from then on out, and lost the championship by a mere three points over Vettel. He was unquestionably the driver of the year, and through brilliant racecraft and a lot of luck drug his Ferrari from the bottom of the top ten on Saturday to the podium on Sunday for what seemed like the last half of the season. Felipe Massa recovered well from a terrible first half of the year to record two podiums and earn himself a one year contract extension.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Alonso 17, Massa 3
2013 Preview: Ferrari are focused on taking an aggressive approach to their 2013 car in hopes of coming out of the gate better than they did in 2012. They clearly have the best driver in Fernando Alonso, and now it's up to them to deliver a car that he can beat Vettel and Red Bull with both on Saturdays and Sundays.


Driver 1: Jenson Button
Driver 2: Sergio Perez
2012 Review: After a dominant performance in the opening round had everyone thinking they were going to run away with the championship, McLaren committed mistake after mistake and ultimately cost themselves the title. After a spectacular win in the first race, Button struggled with the new Pirelli tyres and didn't really recover until mid-season. Many times Hamilton looked to have a win in the bag, only for his car or team to fail him. Over the final seven races, Hamilton was only on the podium once, with Button grabbing two top-three spots.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Hamilton 17, Button 3
2013 Preview: After Hamilton sought greener pastures and jumped ship to Mercedes, McLaren quickly signed Sauber's Sergio Perez to replace him. They even announced their move before Hamilton was confirmed at his new team. While Perez looked good on the driver standings table, all too often he looked like an average driver, and didn't score a single point in the final 6 races. Hamilton was McLaren's X-Factor, much like Alonso is to Ferrari. Hamilton often flattered the car, the greatest evidence of that being him placing higher than Button in the points even though he had three more DNF's. He will be sorely missed, as I just don't see Button or Perez creating the kind of magic that Hamilton was able to.


Driver 1: Kimi Räikkönen
Driver 2: Romain Grosjean
2012 Review: 2012 was a breakthrough year for Lotus/Genii/Renault as they finally claimed their first post-Alonso era victory, doing it in style with 2007 champ Kimi Räikkönen in Abu Dhabi. They were solid all year long, never the fastest car but usually qualifying at least one of the cars in the top five. Even though Raikkonen was split evenly with Grosjean in qualifying, it seemed like most of the time he was further back on the grid and made up the difference on Sunday. Grosjean had flashes of brilliance, claiming two podiums and nearly claiming a victory in Valencia, but he spent way too much of his time crashing into other cars, and was banned for a race for nearly causing a fatal accident at Spa.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Räikkönen 10, Grosjean/d'Ambrosio 10
2013 Preview: Lotus made great progress over the course of 2012, and are hoping to record multiple victories in 2013. I think Kimi will be stronger after having a year back under his belt, and Grosjean is clearly quick but reckless. They remain extremely competitive among the top five, but I think that the "Big 4" have greater resources and talent that will ultimately keep them ahead.


Driver 1: Lewis Hamilton
Driver 2: Nico Rosberg
2012 Review: Mercedes' long-awaited victory finally came in the Chinese Grand Prix at the hands of Nico Rosberg, who until then was the highest paid F1 driver in history never to have won a race. While the victory was seemingly a hint of things to come, Mercedes would only enjoy two other podiums all year, and over the final six races they only had a single points finish to their credit.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Schumacher 10, Rosberg 10
2013 Preview: Lewis Hamilton arrives for 2013, along with a much bigger budget from the Mercedes HQ. Hamilton himself has said that this will be a transition year, and that they are planning to launch a full scale assault in 2014, in hopes of emulating Brawn's 2009 season. I think the Hamilton/Rosberg rivalry will be one of the stories to follow this season, as I believe Rosberg will be closer to him on pace than Button was. I also believe that regular podiums will be possible if Lewis settles in quickly.


Driver 1: Nico Hülkenberg
Driver 2: Esteban Gutiérrez
2012 Review: Sauber were one of the feel good stories of the 2012 season, with some giant-killing results in a car that no one expected to see on the podium all year. Perez featured on the podium three times, earning himself a drive at McLaren, and Kamui-san delivered the Suzuka miracle with his first podium at his home grand prix. While the podiums were impressive, Sauber's results in the final five races reflected its low budget as it struggled for top ten finishes.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Perez 11, Kobayashi 9
2013 Preview: With Perez off to McLaren, Sauber's Mexican sponsors needed a Mexican driver to fill the void, and as a result Sauber promoted test driver Esteban Gutiérrez to a race seat alongside Nico Hulkenberg. Hulkenberg is expected to do great things in 2013 after soundly outperforming di Resta at Force India. Gutiérrez, while raw, had a solid season in GP2 last year and should get up to speed quickly. Sauber is one of those Jekyll and Hyde teams, but I think their near-wins were unfortunately not a sign of things to come. They need a title sponsor or a budget cap to really take the fight to the big teams.


Driver 1: Paul di Resta?
Driver 2: Adrian Sutil?
2012 Review: The results say that Force India had a solid year, but in reality they were a midpack team that could have and should have done a lot more. They outscored Williams by 40 points, but no one remembers top ten finishes, they remember wins and podiums.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Hulkenberg 12, di Resta 8
2013 Preview: Somehow Force India continues to operate even though its owner Vijay Mallya's airline is bankrupt and he's wanted for writing bad checks. Paul di Resta retains his seat for 2013, and former FI driver turned club fighter Adrian Sutil is the favorite for the second seat.


Driver 1: Pastor Maldonado
Driver 2: Valtteri Bottas
2012 Review: Williams had a heck of a season in 2012, their highest point being Maldonado's sublime victory in Barcelona followed minutes later by their lowest point when their garage burst into flames. Senna had some decent drives, but he qualified on average six spots lower than Maldonado and didn't produce the results the team wanted. The man behind the Williams resurgence? Spygate's Mike Coughlan.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Maldonado 18, Senna 2
2013 Preview: The fairytale of Bruno Senna in a Williams Renault is over, with Bottas taking over Bruno's seat for good after taking it over on Fridays in 2012. Maldonado is retained mostly due to the massive $50m he brings in from PDVSA, but it doesn't hurt that he qualified inside the top three on four occasions last year on top of his win. I think Williams will continue their march back to the front, hopefully they can bring some more sponsors on board, and Maldonado can start capitalizing on his exceptional qualifying abilities.


Driver 1: Daniel Ricciardo
Driver 2: Jean-Eric Vergne
2012 Review: Vettel's stellar 2008 seems so long ago for the former Minardi team. Ricciardo and Vergne each cracked the top ten on Sunday a few times, but never finished higher than 8th. Ricciardo's brilliance was on display in Bahrain as he put the car sixth on the grid, the only time STR reached Q3 all year.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Ricciardo 16, Vergne 4
2013 Preview: With customer cars a thing of the past, Toro Rosso will be fed just enough money to stay in front of the slowest two teams. Ricciardo is obviously the favorite to take over the second Red Bull seat when Mark Webber finally decides to hang up his helmet.
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Driver 1: Charles Pic
Driver 2: Heikki Kovalainen? Vitaly Petrov?
2012 Review: Caterham were oh so close to grabbing a point in Interlagos. Kovalainen was running in the top ten in the early part of the race, and Petrov eventually finished 11th, clinching 10th in the constructors for the team. I don't think anyone expected Caterham to be pointless after three years in F1, especially with Mike Gascoyne at the helm.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Kovalainen 13, Petrov 7
2013 Preview: Charles Pic has been signed to take over Petrov's seat as he brings in more money, and the team are still deciding who to hire for the number one seat as of right now. Giedo van der Garde, Bruno Senna, Kovalainen and Petrov have all been mentioned as possible suitors for the other seat.


Driver 1: Timo Glock
Driver 2: Max Chilton
2012 Review: Marussia had another dismal season, failing to make it out of Q1 all year. Not much else to say.
2012 Qualifying Battle: Glock 13, Pic 7
2013 Preview: With HRT now out, Marussia will be bringing up the rear every race unless they can manage to make the car faster. They are the only team to still be using the Cosworth V8, which many expected so much of when V8's returned to F1 in 2006. Their boss Graeme Lowdon believes that they'll be much closer to the midfield next season, but I just don't see it happening.
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Mercedes really has a larger budget for car development in 2013? Or is that just a larger budget to pay Hamilton's salary?
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http://www.worldcarfans.com/11211035...-2013---report

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Ahead of Lewis Hamilton's arrival, Mercedes is reportedly preparing to boost the budget of its formula one team by many millions.

Bild newspaper said that after slumping in 2012 in the wake of Nico Rosberg's Shanghai breakthrough, and deciding to replace Michael Schumacher with McLaren's Hamilton for 2013, the German squad is set to fatten its budget for next year to almost EUR 200 million.

The report said that would be 44 million euros more than Mercedes spent on its Brackley based team this year.

"Under new supervisory board boss Niki Lauda, the austerity measures are apparently ending," said the German daily newspaper.

Bild said Mercedes is funding the boosted F1 budget partly by making cuts to its DTM programme, including reducing its number of cars in the touring car series from 8 to 6.

"The (Daimler) group has recognised that, otherwise, it cannot compete," said the report's authors.

Mercedes' Norbert Haug, however, insisted: "There will be no 30 per cent budget increase."
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Nice thank you for the sauce.

Poor Norby Haug. Fallin' on the sword to make corporate happy. No wonder so few car manufacturers do well in F1.
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Mercedes with Hamilton and Rosberg: Ham will qualify in front of Ros (3 out of 4), but in the race under dry conditions Ros will finish in front of Ham (4 out of 5)
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Formula One Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone revealed that the 2015 Grand Prix calendar will feature a night race on the streets of Bangkok.

Speculation about a Formula One race in Thailand had grown since championship-winner Red Bull Racing carried out a demonstration run through the streets of the nation's capital in December 2010.

Then in October, Kanokphand Chulakasem, governor of the Sports Authority of Thailand, seemed to confirm the rumors by saying the country would host a race in 2014. He added at the time that he was "working closely with F1 officials to look for the best site."

Ecclestone said that the location has now been chosen, and specified that the race would come a year later.

"They say 2014 and I say 2015. It is serious and it is good," he added.

The annual fee for hosting an F1 race is $27 million and it is understood that the government of Thailand would foot around 60% of the bill. The rest is set to come from local companies such as the Thai brewer Singha and from Red Bull, the energy-drink maker.

Ecclestone said that the race is backed by Chalerm Yoovidhya, the fourth-richest man in Thailand through his 51% stake in Red Bull.

The addition of this Grand Prix increases pressure on the sport's crowded calendar. There are already 20 races slated for 2013 with Russia and New Jersey set to join in 2014. The number of races is restricted to 20 by the Concorde Agreement, the contract that commits F1's 11 teams to race. They object to adding more races due to increased transport costs and the added time staff would have to spend on the road.

Under the agreement, only a consensus from the teams can cause the schedule to expand beyond 20 races or if over 60% of them are outside the sport's traditional markets of Europe, the U.S. or Canada.

The calendar is currently evenly split with 10 races held in these three regions and 10 outside. So unless the teams agree to increase the limit on the number of races, the introduction of Thailand is likely to come at the expense of a race from the sport's historic heartland.
With this race and the talk about holding a possible grand prix at the A-1 "Red Bull" Ring, I think Red Bull means to take over F1 lock, stock, and barrel.

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The NJ race is going to be crazy! i can't wait to go to that!i'm going to Texas this year to watch em
i hope it's a close battle like this year, would like to see Jenson or Lewis win, just hope Alonso doesn't win!
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yeah i know, but the question was 'who would YOU pick?'
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