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Old 11-27-2012, 05:49 PM   #1
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Cool S2000 to WRX for practical purposes?

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For the past 13 years Iíve been an Integra GS-R owner. And for the past 4 years Iíve also been the owner of an S2000. After recently becoming a homeowner the cost of owning and maintaining two vehicles is starting to overload me (both financially and timewise). Iíve always done most of the Integraís maintenance work myself, but with a house now I donít feel like committing time to the car (S2000 is new enough to require hardly any work at all).

Iím considering selling both cars and replacing them with a 2013 WRX hatch. My big question is will I enjoy this car? I test drove one last week and liked it, but it was not a demo car so the salesman didnít let me do much more than putt around below 4500 rpm on one road. I enjoy taking the S2000 to the track for HPDEís 1-2 times a year and drive aggressively on the open road (when appropriate) but am otherwise not hard on my vehicles.

I would consider an STI but lightly used ones seem impossible to find and I cannot afford a new one. Would a WRX suit my needs? With light modding would it still be reliable at the track? Iíve heard the 5 speed transmission is not as strong as the 6 speed from the STI but for my purposes would it be a non-issue? I would prefer RWD to AWD but there aren't really any RWD performance cars in my price range that I can afford (that have a back seat, aren't overly heavy, and perform well).



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Old 11-27-2012, 05:53 PM   #2
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The new 5 speeds are actually pretty strong. I think you would LOVE a WRX coming from the Honda seen. The torque is guaranteed to put a smile on your face every time you hit the gas. Most people go with an exhaust and tune and that really brings the enjoyment level of the car up.

Go for it. You will not regret it. I've driven quite a few S2000's and coming from my STi to that, felt like the S2000 wasn't even moving.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:54 PM   #3
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I had an 07 S2000, traded it in on my 2009 WRX when my wife found out she was pregnant. The only thing I miss was the handling of the S but other then that, I love my WRX. I haven't had a chance to track it yet but day to day I don't miss the S2000 at all. The WRX wins hands down imho.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:40 PM   #4
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you wont miss the hondas. since i bought my wrx in january 08, i havent had a more reliable car! no issues since new. you can mod these cars just as much as a honda too.awd is just great also. taking off at full throttle on a wet road an not flying into a ditch is a great feeling! it just digs and takes off.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:45 PM   #5
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Sell 1 car and keep one. You will want to keep a spare car for commuting and fuel efficiency. Id sell the s2k if money is an issue since the s2k would be a down payment that is around 50% of the price of the WRX.

Whichever car you sell, Id guess that youd enjoy the WRX more. I read the new WRX are underrated and are closer to 280hp. Dont get a used STi.

Edit: Or wait for new brz turbo next year and switch that with s2k..lol
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:02 AM   #6
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James, ironically enough my S2000 is also an '07. I'm sure I will miss the sharp handling but not the lack of torque or cramped interior. Or the convertible soft top that currently needs to be replaced (again).

fooshsti, I don't really want to own 2 cars anymore. The Integra is fairly fuel thrifty (averages 28 mpg on my work commute and up to 33 on some long distance trips) but it still does require premium fuel. Nevermind that the cruise control and AC have long since crapped out. And don't get me started on the paint...and the timing belt probably has to be done again soon (car is at 296k miles).

I really think that after eclipsing 300k I will bid the GS-R a fond farewell

Thanks for the encouraging words though! Makes me lean even more towards a WRX. A turbo BRZ would be sweet, but I highly doubt they would offer it below 30k
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:21 AM   #7
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You will definitely miss the tight handling of the S2k and the pure nimbleness. The WRX will feel like a pig around corners, but it is a great car and you will have a little more power to play with and a lot more out of the hole. I had a 97 GS-R and it was great, but I like the WRX soooo much more.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:39 AM   #8
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A question I had was, would it be worth waiting for the next gen WRX? Is that coming in 2014? Based on "artists renderings" I'm not sure I'll like the style (or the fact that it will be larger with a smaller engine). However I would assume that it would have a 6 speed manual instead of the 5.


One other question I have regards HID headlights. I'm 100% fine with getting a WRX base, but I see it's not available with HID headlights unless you spring for the $4000 more expensive Limited model. I "could" pay for that model but its not worth it in my opinion. I don't want leather or heated seats, I don't want a moonroof, I don't want navigation. I just want HIDs!

Is it possible to do a headlight conversion for a reasonable amount of money? One dealership I spoke with said it cost quite a bit of money.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:07 PM   #9
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A question I had was, would it be worth waiting for the next gen WRX? Is that coming in 2014? Based on "artists renderings" I'm not sure I'll like the style (or the fact that it will be larger with a smaller engine). However I would assume that it would have a 6 speed manual instead of the 5.


One other question I have regards HID headlights. I'm 100% fine with getting a WRX base, but I see it's not available with HID headlights unless you spring for the $4000 more expensive Limited model. I "could" pay for that model but its not worth it in my opinion. I don't want leather or heated seats, I don't want a moonroof, I don't want navigation. I just want HIDs!

Is it possible to do a headlight conversion for a reasonable amount of money? One dealership I spoke with said it cost quite a bit of money.
You mean the 2014 "corrolas"? So not happy about those

What you can do is get HIDs retrofitted into your OEM headlights.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:38 PM   #10
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The new 5 speeds are actually pretty strong.
So are the old ones.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:43 PM   #11
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I came from the integra scene as well and its definitely a bump up in power especially going stage 2. So far my 08 has been pretty reliable. You just need to get used to all the odd noises.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:46 PM   #12
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I miss my s2000 all the time, I never miss my old sti, and I wouldn't miss my current 2011 wrx. The wrx is a good car, plenty of power and it's got practicality that the s2000 will never have. The wrx will never ever be as fun though. Nor will any sti or evo.

It's all about what you are willing to compromise and give up.

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Old 11-28-2012, 03:06 PM   #13
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I'm going to stand up here and say that you will not be happy with the WRX.

It's not anywhere near as responsive as an S2000 for road feel and real connection with the road. I feel the GSR is also more connected than a WRX is and is more responsive.

The WRX will give you more grip and more power and on the track it's easier to drive. Coming out of a corner, you get the pull of the fwd and the push of a rwd. You can have bad habbits that would have you oversteering in the 2k and understeering in the GSR and a WRX will simply clip the apex and go. (note, I've driven absolutely everything on the track.....instructors drive student's cars).

If you're getting into a new house, the hatch in the GSR will come in handy. The good gas mileage will too. With the money you get from selling the S2k, buy a JDM 1.6L vtec head and do a poor man's type R on your GSR.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:39 PM   #14
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The new 5 speeds are actually pretty strong. I think you would LOVE a WRX coming from the Honda seen. The torque is guaranteed to put a smile on your face every time you hit the gas. Most people go with an exhaust and tune and that really brings the enjoyment level of the car up.

Go for it. You will not regret it. I've driven quite a few S2000's and coming from my STi to that, felt like the S2000 wasn't even moving.
actually, the "new" 5mts are experiencing a quite odd catastrophic failure problem, all the way from seals breaking and causing 4-wheel lockups (still under investigation by SOA) and horrible road noise.

I'm very upset with the 5mt that Subaru constantly claims will "get better", meanwhile a good majority of 5mt owners who do any sort of stageII+ power mods are left holding a hand grenade with no idea when it will burst.

Oh and, you're almost at 300k miles with your Acura... I'd be hard pressed to find a Subaru 2.0, or even 2.5L at that mileage. Even a DD. I love my car, absolutely in love with the exhaust note, feel, and in my opinion one of the best looking sports cars under 50k out right now. I just can't deny the limits of this platform, especially for any real track and field duty w/o a 6mt and built 2.5L.

I'd go with Jack's suggestion.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:51 PM   #15
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Well i had a 07 S/C S2000 before trading it in for a 2011 STI. First thing you will notice is that it handles like a big boat, but you will get used to it once you drive it for a while. Second, you will feel that torque difference. My S2k was at ~345 whp and ~230 wtq and thats the first thing I noticed, but after 4k rpms, it dies down and is slow. I say slow because of how the powerband is different from the S2k. The main reason i traded it in was because i relocated to nebraska and well it snows and the s2k wouldnt have handled it and it was my only car. In the end i still miss it but the STI gives me some performance and some practicality! Finally having more than 1 passenger was a possibility and having space just to use for those time you need space. No more lowering the top down to carry big items! lol.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:22 AM   #16
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Jack's suggestion isn't a horrible one, but the thought of dumping all that money into a car currently worth less than $2,000 isn't a pretty one. As mentioned above the list of things wrong with the car is quite long. In fact the only items that I would say are working 100% flawlessly are the engine and transmission.

In getting rid of the S2000 I want another car that is at least as fast and is NOT FWD. I would like to think that I'll never own another FWD car ever again. Leaving the Honda family will probably feel a bit weird, as all I've known are torqueless NA inline 4s that redline above 8,000 rpm. I've also never owned a car that weighed more than 2800 lbs.

I just feel like it might be time for me to drive something with more space inside, for myself and cargo! (I'm 6'2" and both the Integra and S2000 are a bit short on leg room).
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:32 AM   #17
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I'm 6' and I could barely fit in a brz, so I hope you've put that idea away There's plenty of parts you can replace to get rid of the "boat" feeling of the wrx if you have the funds. I'll be buying front/rear 22mm sway bars and endlinks to get rid of the understeer our cars have.

Wanna know the best part about this car? It has a pretty decent amount of room in the back seats, so if you're wife tries to get you to sell it for a more spacious minivan you can tell her to kiss it
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:41 AM   #18
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I'm 6' and I could barely fit in a brz, so I hope you've put that idea away There's plenty of parts you can replace to get rid of the "boat" feeling of the wrx if you have the funds. I'll be buying front/rear 22mm sway bars and endlinks to get rid of the understeer our cars have.

Wanna know the best part about this car? It has a pretty decent amount of room in the back seats, so if you're wife tries to get you to sell it for a more spacious minivan you can tell her to kiss it
how can you barely fit in a brz? did you not lower the seat at all? Just saying, I'm 6'8", and if I put the seat all the way down, I was snug, but I still fit.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:01 AM   #19
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how can you barely fit in a brz? did you not lower the seat at all? Just saying, I'm 6'8", and if I put the seat all the way down, I was snug, but I still fit.
With my family in the car I can't fit in there comfortably. Yea I put the seat down, but with people in the back my knees were close to, if not hitting, the dash.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:24 AM   #20
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With my family in the car I can't fit in there comfortably. Yea I put the seat down, but with people in the back my knees were close to, if not hitting, the dash.
Ah, gotcha. the back seat is purely for insurance purposes. looks completely useless.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:30 AM   #21
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I will say that I did sit in a BRZ that someone had at a local Cars & Coffee meet a few months ago. With the seat all the way back I was "barely" comfortable with the leg room available. That actually ticked me off and I went on a rant over at www.ft86.com Headroom is never an issue for me so I'm not sure why some of you fellas are mentioning putting the seat all the way down? BRZ (and S2000 for that matter) has plenty of headroom. I can fit in the S2000 with a helmet on no problem.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:03 PM   #22
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A question I had was, would it be worth waiting for the next gen WRX? Is that coming in 2014? Based on "artists renderings" I'm not sure I'll like the style (or the fact that it will be larger with a smaller engine). However I would assume that it would have a 6 speed manual instead of the 5.


One other question I have regards HID headlights. I'm 100% fine with getting a WRX base, but I see it's not available with HID headlights unless you spring for the $4000 more expensive Limited model. I "could" pay for that model but its not worth it in my opinion. I don't want leather or heated seats, I don't want a moonroof, I don't want navigation. I just want HIDs!

Is it possible to do a headlight conversion for a reasonable amount of money? One dealership I spoke with said it cost quite a bit of money.

I have a '12 base WRX, I found a set of Sti HID's for sale on here and got them for $650, way cheaper than buying them new from the dealer. The swap is really simple, all plug n play if you have the ballasts and harnesses with the HID's. Plus I managed to find them from an '11 so I got rid of those ugly chrome housings all at the same time. Was worth it to me. S2k's are really fun cars, but I think you wouldn't be one bit disappointed switching to a wrx.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:05 PM   #23
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I don't know if my 2 cents are worth much coming from a classic American muscle builder, but I love my '13 Base WRX. For the price you can't beat it. I've never drove a S2K so I don't know the feel of that car, but I've owned a few cars that were track worthy. So far I am very satisfied with my Wrex and have future mods in mind but for now I really enjoy driving it. Gas mileage isn't bad as long as you don't drive like an idiot, but I still can't help the smile on my face when I do a 2nd and 3rd gear pull. Also I was in Cary NC last Friday looking at the Subaru's there and the sales staff are asshats.. I found my Wrex in Orange Virginia at Reynold's Subaru. They are awesome people and most of the staff from the owner down own and race their WRX/STi's. Really cool people and worked a hell of a deal on my WRX.. I walked out the door after taxes and everything for under 27k. Hope this helps and good luck.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:17 PM   #24
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ive autocrossed both a wrx and an s2000 and as far as classing and handling s2000 will win all day every day dont get me wrong i love my subarus ive owned 4 of them but i dont really feel there are any good classes for the wrx/sti unless you build an SM monster the s2000 i drove was an 05 so still DBC but didnt have tuning availability as the newer AP2's but if i had the cash i would drive a subaru daily and get a club racer s2000 for my track car thas just my opinion though subarus are so expensive to modify its almost not worth it to track i love how almost effortless the s2000 was to drive the only complaint would be the lack of torque with an s2000 only thing keeping me from buying one myself instead im building one of those factory five 818 cars (1800 lb car size of an s2000 with subaru driveline same wheel base as an s2000) it will handle much better than any wrx/sti and will be much faster than both plus have the rwd i like in the s2000
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:07 AM   #25
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So are the old ones.
Truth. I had a 2003 wrx for the past 6 years. There was nothing wrong with the wrx transmissions. I don't care what anyone says. If you break it, you are doing it wrong.
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