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Old 11-30-2012, 01:47 AM   #26
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How much do you commute a week. This is a left field idea but have you thought about keeping the S, getting rid of the gsr and grabbing a pickup truck.

I would think being a home owner having a pickup truck would be rather nice. And honestly the back seat room in my pickup truck is way better than the tiny back seat of my wrx.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:22 PM   #27
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Well the house I bought is brand new so I shouldn't be hauling much for repairs/upkeep. And most of the time when I do actually need the use of a pick up truck I can borrow one from my office.

My commute is 18 miles each way, 75% interstate. In the S2000 I average around 23 mpg and the GS-R 28 mpg. (the mpg would be higher if not for the traffic congestion).

The S2000 will be paid off in 15 months (and only has 57k miles right now) so keeping it is tempting. But I want more space, the convertible top just gets more rattles as time goes by, and I want more TORQUE! S2000 stock is high right now so I'm thinking sell, sell, sell!
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:40 PM   #28
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FWIW, my commute is 25 miles both ways (90% interstate). I got about 28mpg on my stage 2 (downpipe, catback, ECU flash) when driving like a grandma. As long as that turbo doesn't spool the mpg isn't that bad for a sports car

I test drove both the WRX and STI and like you, I wanted a daily driver that I could track with as well. With a few suspension/brake mods, the WRX can feel pretty close to the STI in terms of handling and the 5-speed is a bit more commuter friendly IMO. Do you have a budget big enough to get the car and some of those handling mods as well? Because if you do, you'd love it almost as much as your s2000
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:16 PM   #29
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Truth. I had a 2003 wrx for the past 6 years. There was nothing wrong with the wrx transmissions. I don't care what anyone says. If you break it, you are doing it wrong.
Yeah, that's what I used to think too.
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:28 PM   #30
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if its practical, awd, half decent mpg (if not in boost, 2008 wrx stage 2 (dp, cobb, intake) with 28 hwy), and reliable. why not? its great. of course its a different car but i drive mine 30-50 miles a day. fun when i want it, tame when i dont. and if you arent sure about a cobb accessport, dont be, do it, and never look back. of course it cant make up for a 2 door N/A engine, love those, it definately as fun as you can get it in a sedan or hatch
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:18 PM   #31
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Well over the weekend I paid a local Subaru dealership a visit (Johnson Subaru in Cary). Was finally able to actually "drive" a WRX instead of just idling around in one. Finally able to bring it up to redline. I thought it would feel faster, but it felt about equal to my S2000 in straightline speed.

I didn't push it too hard in turns but it definitely felt more nose heavy and prone to understeer than my S2000 (which is no surprise). I also noticed that the seats didn't provide a lot of lateral support and the dashboard is so high that it almost makes me feel like I'm driving an SUV But I love the utility, the looks and the power. Can you easily dial out a lot of the turn in understeer with suspension tuning and a front limited slip differential? Hmmm...

Immediately after driving the WRX I took the wheel of an automatic equipped BRZ. I'm not sure if that was a good idea b/c wow that car felt great. Amazing handling and fantastic steering feel. While not as fast in a straight line it wins the cornering contest no problem and the engine note sounds great. Meanwhile you can barely hear the WRX's engine at all...

Decisions decisions. A base WRX and BRZ Premium are basically the same price. Now to decide which one I would really want....ah FWPs

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Old 12-13-2012, 02:28 PM   #32
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BRZ... I love my buddies 07 s2k. hes got factory front lip,tein colils with edfc and pw jdm carbon kevlar intake and snorkel/cooling plate with a set of 17' wedsports.

gorgeous car that gets better mpg flogging the **** out of it than we do feathering the gas pedal lol.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:36 PM   #33
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I can't understand for a second why you would consider trading an almost paid off s2000 for a new BRZ... It's handling isn't going to be leagues ahead of what you're used to and it's power will lag behind your s2k. Plus it'll cost you another 13k on top of the S2k you traded in. It's your life, so live it how you want, but newer doesn't always equal better.

Have you bought a flashpro for your s2k yet? Those things make an incredible difference in the mid range of the car, and for $600 it could be a very cheap way to inject some torque into your driving experience.

And if utility with some speed is your aim, then why not look at Forester XTs? IMO the WRX and STIs interiors are nice to haul wood and crap in the back with a clear conscience. Plus the back seat is a miserable place to be in a WRX: Trust me, I spent about 300 miles behind the driver with my legs spread to accommodate his seat and no ability to shift side to side. Doesn't feel real practical when you're not in the drivers seat.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:42 PM   #34
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I'm a little curious about your selection criteria. The BRZ is going to have less storage capacity and will be difficult if you plan on using the back seat for anyone or anything. You mentioned you were looking into the WRX for a balance of storage/ergonomics/performance. I think the WRX is a much better choice in those regards than the BRZ. This is why I bought my WRX. BTW, the Limited comes with HID's.

As far as tracking goes, I don't know how much you can trust the new BRZ 2.0 platform. I know a lot of people will state problems with ringlands and the 5mt on the WRX 2.5L...but let me enlighten you to what I saw...

At the last Auto-x I did just 2 weeks ago, one of our regular's bought a FRS ( basically a BRZ) auto. He made two passes and the car was quick, but on the third run, the car threw a code, went into limp mode and had a horrible knock (it sounded really, really bad). The codes were for Camshaft position sensor...he has already taken it to the dealer for the same code. I've heard a couple bad stories like this about the new motors. I think you should be aware if you plan to track. These are not proven motors yet.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:50 PM   #35
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Sorry allow me to explain myself a bit. As stated in my OP I want to go from 2 cars down to 1. To that end I will need my 1 vehicle to have a rear seat. I don't need it for people; moreso just for my 30lb dog. Right now if I go somewhere with a friend and my dog the dog has to sit in their lap...it just doesn't work. The rear seat of the BRZ would be perfect for this. Also tracks that I can take my S2000 are limited as well, b/c I do not have an aftermarket roll bar and am too tall to pass the broom stick test. Since the BRZ is a coupe this is not a problem. This is why I don't want to just pay off the S2000 and be done with it. It's just not the right car for me anymore.

As to whether I make the leap to something bigger like a WRX I'm not sure I need to make that move yet.

MMY MSL, I haven't done anything to the car that would void the aftermarket warranty it has (good till 100k). Just a cat back Invidia exhaust

That help explain my motives a bit better?
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:03 PM   #36
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I went from an MR-S to my '11 5-door. Of course the vehicle doesn't handle the same, but it was a great decision. Having a vehicle that can comfortably seat four, not having to tilt the seats forward getting anyone in the back, and having a decent amount of cargo space.

For practicality reasons, you will be very happy with a WRX as I am. You will not be happy with the MPG.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:08 PM   #37
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In the end it's your choice. I've always loved the 5dr WRX since it released. I have another car for auto-x / track days. I DD my WRX... it's practicality is hard to beat.

I did drive the BRZ/FRS...the torque was better than a honda (I've had 4 honda's, even the 2.2L)...but not as good as the WRX... I still love the 2.5L turbo.

It's probably unlikely that you would have a problem with the new motor, but as I said, the new 2.0 motor is still untried and I've seen failure in person. I've been burned on first year car's before. I know that's what warranty is for, but it still sucks when you car is in the shop.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:13 PM   #38
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Sounds like you pretty much have your mind made up. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:12 AM   #39
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I just picked up a 2013 WRX hatch after being in a 2006 S2000. I couldn't be happier with the WRX. I have gotten a bit older and now that I have a dog and like to get outdoors more, the WRX gives me just as much fun as the S2000 did, whether it was cruising down the road, doing some spirited driving, or actually driving it full-out, as well as a ton more room for sh**. The S2000 will always be in the back of my mind though, I would love to have a project track car one day. *sigh*
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:17 AM   #40
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Can anyone address this question I posted earlier?

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BTW, the Limited comes with HID's.
I'm aware of this, but I don't want (or need) leather seats, a moonroof, heated seats or most of the other crap the Limited comes with. I don't want to pay $29k for a WRX just because I want the HIDs.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:39 AM   #41
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Screw the HIDs... Osram Nightbreaker bulbs are way brighter and only $100 for the lows AND highs. With a WRX, you only need the friction of the air passing by you to keep you warm so screw all those extras
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:42 AM   #42
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Have you considered an RX8? Fuel economy isnt the greatist but the renisis engine is suprisingly reliable and is just an overall a great car.
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:12 AM   #43
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Can you easily dial out a lot of the turn in understeer with suspension tuning and a front limited slip differential?
A relatively inexpensive set of swaybars will definitely help with that a lot, shifting the bias closer to neutal. I'm sure a front diff would help even more but that would cost efficient. These cars require much less finesse to drive than the s2k, and almost beg to be overdriven with the power and grip they have. Easing into turns will understeer, but give it a sharp turn in, get on the gas and the rear end will slide right on around.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:25 PM   #44
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^Thanks ResidentR, I appreciate hearing that. A little tail action is always fun! And if I can get it from thicker sway bars and not needing a front LSD all the better. On a related note, is the rear differential open or LSD?

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Have you considered an RX8? Fuel economy isnt the greatist but the renisis engine is suprisingly reliable and is just an overall a great car.
I have not considered the RX8, 100% because the gas mileage is just atrocious. The FD RX7 has a special place in my heart however, and one day I would like to own one of those.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:34 AM   #45
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I really think that after eclipsing 300k I will bid the GS-R a fond farewell
One of my friends has a 95 GSR with 350k that he was still beating like the red-headed step child that it is and it was holding together fine. He even put a trailer hitch on it so he could tow his boat. The GSR's have a lightness and a nimble-ness that a newer WRX will never match.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:14 AM   #46
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Have you considered an RX8? Fuel economy isnt the greatist but the renisis engine is suprisingly reliable and is just an overall a great car.
Whoa reliable? RX8's arent even close to reliable. Those doritos are just spinning to much! Every owner ive known has had many engine problems. Three of them had their engine replaced as well and one had their transmission replaced. It was all under warranty but still. Id rather get a Kia than an RX8.

Now if you do get an RX7, that is a whol different story.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:58 PM   #47
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^ On a related note, is the rear differential open or LSD?
It's open, but uses "electronic traction control". Not exactly ideal. If you want LSDs, you'll have to get an STI.

With respect to the handling of the current gen WRX, they're not the wet noodle everyone claims they are. I think the "lean" really plays into people's heads too much.

As noted in the comparison below, it took an FR-S a set of Dunlop Star Specs to OUTHANDLE and outrun the WRX at Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch. The WRX pulled 0.90 g's and 69mph in the slalom. Not many cars an claim those numbers. The stock FR-S did 0.89 and 68mph.

The other question is just how much better would have the WRX been on Star Specs which are some of the best street/race tires you can get. The OEM Dunlops aren't super great.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-...transformation

Many of the WRX's handling ills can be corrected with sway bars, shocks, and an alignment.

As for the seats, I've figured out how to improve bolstering in the lower cushion and seatback. It's easy, looks stock, and can be returned to stock in minutes. When you sit down, you're far more secured and your hips/leg pushed inwards. I'll be posting a DIY over the Christmas break.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:30 PM   #48
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Just get a low mileage stage 2 2005 STi. Everyone knows it's the best year With the money you save over choosing a newer model, you can modify to your heart's delight.

I personally enjoy how the S2K looks and have test-driven the S2K in the past, but hate feeling like I have to flog a car to go fast. But hey, if you like the high-rev stuff, a BRZ would be an outstanding choice. At least now you'd be in a 2+2 setup, and the upgraded interior is reallllllly nice.

IMO the WRX is the ultimate compromise car - four doors, solid performance in all weather conditions, very responsive to shelf/pro tunes, safe, a TON of aftermarket support, an outstanding community and relatively cheap parts.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:07 PM   #49
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you said it smurf
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:19 PM   #50
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Can anyone address this question I posted earlier?

I'm aware of this, but I don't want (or need) leather seats, a moonroof, heated seats or most of the other crap the Limited comes with. I don't want to pay $29k for a WRX just because I want the HIDs.

I too didn't want any of that stuff besides HIDs, therefore I ordered a base WRX and retrofitted my headlights. The beauty about base WRXs is that their headlight housings are identical to Sti housings, so with the right projectors and ballasts, everything can be completely plug and play. I ordered the Retro-Quik kit from theretrofitsource.com (http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...roducts_id=254)

Its a bi-xenon projector that replaces the stock halogen projector. IMO it's a great upgrade, especially if you don't want to do any cutting or custom bracket work. And when you flip on the high beams, both the xenons and high beam bulbs are unleashed at the same time which is really sweet
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