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Old 11-29-2012, 01:09 PM   #26
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Not on the turbo models...not anymore.
Yes it is, I drive a 2013 WRX and It most definitely states 5w30 fully synthetic for 7500 miles. The logbook is also every 7500. Which has been stated already.

Why spout off things you don't know? I never understood that about forums.

As far as the 5w40, it does state that top offs of non synthetic 5w40 are ok if synthetic can't be found. It does not say you can use the T6 for your whole change.

As for warranty purposes, if you use a 5w30 to the specs in the manual and a filter at the specified interval, you will be fine. Just save receipts.

As far as oil filter, why not use an oem, you can get them 6 at a time with crush washers for $40 on amazon from Fred beans. By my calculations the $6 you are paying is comparable to whatever aftermarket version you buy, and its built for the car.

The black filter did come on my car, however maybe it was painted black with the underbody coating. The new black ones are for the new imprezas. I just went to a dealer to pick one up and he gave me the black one, I told him no blue, he said I told him 13 WRX and just put in impreZa. When he ran my vin it told him to use the blue, to which I said no **** Sherlock.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:13 PM   #27
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Yes it is, I drive a 2013 WRX and It most definitely states 5w30 fully synthetic for 7500 miles. The logbook is also every 7500. Which has been stated already.
Again, this number is an absolute maximum recommended mileage. See my response directly before this one.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/maintenance2.html#turbo
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Suggested: do the first oil change by 3mos or 3000 miles and then at least a minimum of every 7500 miles or 7.5 months afterwards. That is as long as you should go and it is strongly recommended to replace it much more frequently.
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Under normal driving conditions, the recommended oil and oil filter change interval for turbo vehicles is every 3,750 miles or four months, whichever comes first.
So yes the nice excel matrix does say every 7.5k miles, but that is a blanket recommendation for all Impreza models. Any turbo models come with the above stipulations.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:20 PM   #28
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Yes it is, I drive a 2013 WRX and It most definitely states 5w30 fully synthetic for 7500 miles. The logbook is also every 7500. Which has been stated already.

Why spout off things you don't know? I never understood that about forums.
You newbies make me laugh. Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

2011 Intervals and oil change schedule
updated October, 2010
Note: this is the minimum oil change interval required. It is generally suggested by many people in the automotive industry to change the oil every 3750 miles or 3.75 mos, and under race or other severe driving, even more frequently.
> 2.5L Outback, Legacy, Impreza non-turbos: replace at least every 7500 miles/7.5 months, or every 3750 miles or 3 3/4 months under severe driving.
> 2.5L Forester, non-turbo- 1st oil change 3,000 miles, 2nd oil change 7,500 miles, subsequent oil changes at least every 7500 or 7.5 months.
> 3.6L Outback, Legacy, Tribeca- 1st oil change 3,000 miles, 2nd oil change 7,500 miles, subsequent oil changes at least every 7500 or 7.5 months
> Turbos: Subaru owner's manual maintenance scheduleTurbo maintenance
> Early warranty books: the Subaru maintenance schedule note #1 reads "When the vehicle is used under severe driving conditions, the engine oil and filter should be changed every 3,750 miles or 3 3/4 months. All turbo-charges vehicles are considered to be operated under severe driving conditions"

And for 2012...

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/mainte...ml#maintenance

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#1: under Severe driving replace ever 3,750 miles. Turbos must have the synthetic oil service done at least every 3,750 miles or 3 3/4 months

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Old 11-29-2012, 02:26 PM   #29
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Yes it is, I drive a 2013 WRX and It most definitely states 5w30 fully synthetic for 7500 miles. The logbook is also every 7500. Which has been stated already.

Why spout off things you don't know? I never understood that about forums.

As far as the 5w40, it does state that top offs of non synthetic 5w40 are ok if synthetic can't be found. It does not say you can use the T6 for your whole change.

As for warranty purposes, if you use a 5w30 to the specs in the manual and a filter at the specified interval, you will be fine. Just save receipts.

As far as oil filter, why not use an oem, you can get them 6 at a time with crush washers for $40 on amazon from Fred beans. By my calculations the $6 you are paying is comparable to whatever aftermarket version you buy, and its built for the car.

The black filter did come on my car, however maybe it was painted black with the underbody coating. The new black ones are for the new imprezas. I just went to a dealer to pick one up and he gave me the black one, I told him no blue, he said I told him 13 WRX and just put in impreZa. When he ran my vin it told him to use the blue, to which I said no **** Sherlock.
That's a lot of attitude for a discussion about oil .

Look up some UOAs of the EJ25 4-cyl Turbo motors on Resource Conserving 5W-30 oils. I wouldn't take my intervals out to 7500 miles on RC 5W-30. I barely touch 5K intervals on RT6, and I'll probably stop at 7K.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:48 PM   #30
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You newbies make me laugh. Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

2011 Intervals and oil change schedule
updated October, 2010
Note: this is the minimum oil change interval required. It is generally suggested by many people in the automotive industry to change the oil every 3750 miles or 3.75 mos, and under race or other severe driving, even more frequently.
> 2.5L Outback, Legacy, Impreza non-turbos: replace at least every 7500 miles/7.5 months, or every 3750 miles or 3 3/4 months under severe driving.
> 2.5L Forester, non-turbo- 1st oil change 3,000 miles, 2nd oil change 7,500 miles, subsequent oil changes at least every 7500 or 7.5 months.
> 3.6L Outback, Legacy, Tribeca- 1st oil change 3,000 miles, 2nd oil change 7,500 miles, subsequent oil changes at least every 7500 or 7.5 months
> Turbos: Subaru owner's manual maintenance scheduleTurbo maintenance
> Early warranty books: the Subaru maintenance schedule note #1 reads "When the vehicle is used under severe driving conditions, the engine oil and filter should be changed every 3,750 miles or 3 3/4 months. All turbo-charges vehicles are considered to be operated under severe driving conditions"

And for 2012...

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/mainte...ml#maintenance

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#1: under Severe driving replace ever 3,750 miles. Turbos must have the synthetic oil service done at least every 3,750 miles or 3 3/4 months
You are retarded. This thread clearly asks about. 2013s and the OP and my manual state 7500. You just quoted 2011 and 2012. If they put it in writing that's what it is. Doing it sooner is a good idea, but if you let it go the full time, and had a problem due to it, that would be a case you would have a shot at.
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You are retarded. This thread clearly asks about. 2013s and the OP and my manual state 7500. You just quoted 2011 and 2012. If they put it in writing that's what it is. Doing it sooner is a good idea, but if you let it go the full time, and had a problem due to it, that would be a case you would have a shot at.



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What on earth does this mean?
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What on earth does this mean?
It means you're an idiot and it's quite entertaining for us to watch you make an asshat out of yourself

ehrmagaddd the 2013 isn't similar to the 2011 so it must require oil changes at 20k miles!!?!@!#%
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I've been using Mobil 1 synthetic in all my cars for years with no ill effects, but again none of them were Subaru's or turbo charged.. Why is Mobil 1 so dreaded? The salesman at the Subaru dealership I bought my '13 WRX from actually told me to change at 3k and to use 0w-20 Mobil 1. Most of the people at the dealership have WRX/STi's and race them frequently, but when contacting the parts department to order my crush washers and filter they told me nothing less than 5w-30 Mobil 1. Not trying to start a pissing war, just a curious newb looking for information...

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Old 11-29-2012, 04:17 PM   #36
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It means you're an idiot and it's quite entertaining for us to watch you make an asshat out of yourself

ehrmagaddd the 2013 isn't similar to the 2011 so it must require oil changes at 20k miles!!?!@!#%
How am I an idiot. The manual is written by the people who built this car. I not once said it isn't similar, I understand completely that the car is identical.

SOA obviously has been running testing over the past few years and feel comfortable with the results to up the OCI to 7500 with synthetic. If it were completely insane to run that long and you were going to cause major damage, why would SOA do that? Changing this interval if it were as terrible as all the forum car engineers say it is, would just cost SOA a ton of money in warranty claim damage. I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing.

If you want to say I am the idiot, then fine, but common sense says follow the book the manufacturer puts time and energy into. They don't print them for nothing
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:19 PM   #37
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Lmao the deal ship also offered me the Mobil 1 and I laughed and said really? You guys use Mobil 1 he said "yeah?" Haha for 90$ an oil change with Mobil 1 no thanks.. Ill use Walmart bought shell t6 for 20$ in my 27k car haha.. UOAs don't lie....
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Why is Mobile 1 so dreaded?
I would like to know this as well.
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I've been using Mobile 1 synthetic in all my cars for years with no ill effects, but again none of them were Subaru's or turbo charged.. Why is Mobile 1 so dreaded? The salesman at the Subaru dealership I bought my '13 WRX from actually told me to change at 3k and to use 0w-20 Mobile 1. Most of the people at the dealership have WRX/STi's and race them frequently, but when contacting the parts department to order my crush washers and filter they told me nothing less than 5w-30 Mobile 1. Not trying to start a pissing war, just a curious newb looking for information...
Mobil 1 viscosity is seriously lacking, do a search for mobil 1 vs t6 uoa's and the info might shock you, i was using m1 in my wrx until it started burning off a quart almost every week with lucas put in, so i went to rotella with lucas every 4k miles and it works wonderfully....dont let the stealerships fool you, they're just looking out for their own pockets
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SOA obviously has been running testing over the past few years and feel comfortable with the results to up the OCI to 7500 with synthetic.
That is not obvious, that is an assumption. Do you have any proof of these "tests"?

Both linked articles from the 2011 and 2012 will hold true for the 2013 as well. As you said yourself, they are the exact same vehicle.
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It thins out to fast and doesn't protect the moving parts of the engine after say 1k miles it's toast pending on driving conditions. So most people use the rotella t6 diesel oil, because even when it thins out its still let's say a 5w-30 but when the t6 is brand new its a 5w-40 but sheers to a 5w-30 make sense I'm terrible at explaining things sorry.. Someone else will chime in I'm sure.
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Per Subaru for 2012 and 2013

Recommended Grade and Viscosity

Use only engine oil with the recommended grade and viscosity.

NOTE: Engine oil viscosity (thickness) affects fuel economy. Oils of lower viscosity provide better fuel economy. However, in hot weather, oil of higher viscosity is required to properly lubricate the engine.

Oil Grade

API classification SM or SN with the words “ENERGY CONSERVING” or “RESOURCE CONSERVING”

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ILSAC GF-4 or GF-5, which can be identified with the ILSAC certification mark (Starburst mark)

SAE viscosity number and applicable temperature

5W-30 synthetic oil is the required oil for optimum engine performance and protection. Conventional oil may be used if synthetic oil is unavailable.

Range for 5w-30* : -30 to 40 °C / -20 to 100 °F

*: 10W-30, 10W-40, 5W-30 or 5W-40 conventional oil may be used if replenishment is needed but should be changed to 5W-30 synthetic oil at the next oil change.
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FYI, 5W-40 is listed as an acceptable alternative so T6 is perfectly fine.

T6 is sacred because it is consistently showing very good UOA results. It holds viscosity well and holds up for a long period of time. I have 25K on my STI now and I am seeing minimal consumption of oil in the car. I typically lose 1/4 to 1/2 of a quart every 7500 which is excellent. My advice, if you know something that works well, why go with something else? Especially given the price of T6. I've used German Castrol and even Amsoil in the past. I paid premium for Amsoil but did not really see the benefits over T6. It's an easy decision at that point.
Now an FYI for you,

The 2013 manual might be different than the 2011. It states you can use other oil for replenishment as needed. It doesn't list it as an alternative like in your manual. (I realise this was posted above by another member, just wanted to defend my remark and point out your error as well).

To be clear here, I'm not about to say I think T6 is bad, or that the engine in the 2011 is different than the 2013. I'm simply stating that if the OP wants to minimize chances of denial of warranty coverage in the event of something going wrong, his compliance with oil viscosity is probably for the best. My question to you is, if you're worried about warranty coverage why not put as much in your favor as possible? (ie following maint. schedule and owners manual requirements). It just gives the dealer or SOA one less thing to use an excuse.
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That is not obvious, that is an assumption. Do you have any proof of these "tests"?

Both linked articles from the 2011 and 2012 will hold true for the 2013 as well. As you said yourself, they are the exact same vehicle.
They are the same, but again no way a car company puts their money on the line without some kind of evidence that they can make the change.

I worked for SOA in cherry hill for a bit and they plan the hell out of every move they make. I just don't see them making a change like this without tests.

Again, never once did I say I agree with it. I am running my Motul till 5k and sending a sample to Blackstone to see how it did. I also don't drive like most of the people who own these cars on my all highway 30 mile round trip commute each day.
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Subaru Drive Performance magazine shows 7,500 mile interval as does all of the other printed material I received with my 2012 WRX.
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One day, NASIOC will have a decent oil debate that won't turn into a **** storm. One day.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:52 PM   #47
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Clearly not today.....
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You are retarded. This thread clearly asks about. 2013s and the OP and my manual state 7500. You just quoted 2011 and 2012.
The 2013 model is somehow magically different than the 2011 & 2012 ?

And I'm retarded ?

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seems like no one else (sorry for generalizing) uses Eneos, is it because no one knows about it or just its not available in most places?
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just freaking stick with 5w30...
idk why rotella is so popular... i can see subie owners using it in their non warranty vehicle... but i definitely wouldn't put it in my under factory warranty.
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