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Old 12-01-2012, 10:59 PM   #1
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Default Trade '12 Impreza for a Jetta TDI

So I have been kicking around the idea of trading in my 2012 Impreza for a 2013 Jetta TDI. I was looking at the trade in value of my Limited and surprisingly it is worth more than what I paid for the car (long story, I originally had a Premium but it got lemoned and now I have a Limited). I know that some of the 2009+ TDI's have high pressure fuel pump (HPFP) issues. That is one of my biggest apprehensions toward making the jump. Does anyone have any experience with this car? It looks like the Jetta has some issues that are pretty common - almost like the squeaky seat problem some people encounter.

Don't get me wrong, I like my Impreza, however I feel that in order to achieve MPGs anywhere near the 36MPG on the highway, all the stars have to align. The Jetta can get even more than the EPA estimates with driving normal. The fact that my car has a high value right now, I am considering making the jump. Opinions are appreciated, although they might be biased!
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:08 PM   #2
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Let us know what you get for it... I may trade mine in, but it would probably just be for a 5 speed instead of the cvt I have now.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:16 PM   #3
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The dealership is offering me 20K for my car. It is basically loaded up all the way minus Nav. Edmunds says my car is $19,400.

I really like my car, don't get me wrong, but I would LOVE to get 40+ MPG without much trying. The quality of the VW Jetta made in Mexico is a bit questionable. The HPFP issue is very concerning though. I don't want to buy a headache!
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:36 PM   #4
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The dealership is offering me 20K for my car. It is basically loaded up all the way minus Nav. Edmunds says my car is $19,400.

I really like my car, don't get me wrong, but I would LOVE to get 40+ MPG without much trying. The quality of the VW Jetta made in Mexico is a bit questionable. The HPFP issue is very concerning though. I don't want to buy a headache!
From what I understand the VW's now are hot and cold as far as reliability is concerned. I would think that a search of Jetta forums might turn up a breakdown (no pun intended...) of VIN's afflicted with the HPFP problem
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:45 PM   #5
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Edmunds has the total five year cost of ownership at $37,178 for the Impreza and $35,788 for the TDI.

Will you be kicking yourself later for giving up reliability and AWD for $278 per year?

Also, they claim repairs for the TDI will be around $1,147 at the five year mark, which may be optimistic.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:08 AM   #6
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Do you have a link to that article? I would like to read up. I wonder if edmunds takes into consideration that real world MPG of the Jetta is 40+ and the Impreza is 28?
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:33 AM   #7
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http://www.edmunds.com/tco.html

If you're getting 28 highway, something is very wrong, or you're doing 75+ MPH.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:44 AM   #8
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why not a mazda 3 skyactiv? also the fuel pump has to do with the U.S. diesel not having enough lubricant additives. i wonder if the fixed the inter cooler icing up problem yet. VW is a hit or miss. i hear you will love when it runs great and want to kill it when it goes bad. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...40-mpg-feature this is a pretty good article. im actually helping a friend buy a new car. for the trade offs, the prius c isn't a terrible choice. slow but nimble. some people had 60 mpg averages. but lets faces it 99 hp sucks even if the car weighs in at 2500 pounds. but i dont see the mazda 3 skyactiv having much issues. doesnt share the same direct injection system as the VW to have carbon build up. doesn't use diesel. and a lot more sportier. and in that article car and driver were able to drive 76 mph to get 40 mpg as opposed to the TDI at 74 mpg to get 40 mpg.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:09 AM   #9
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http://www.edmunds.com/tco.html

If you're getting 28 highway, something is very wrong, or you're doing 75+ MPH.
Yes, something is very wrong. He bought the cvt instead of the 5 speed (Believe me I know how that feels).
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:29 AM   #10
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VW repairs are expensive, quick example for you. My mom has a 2003 beetle auto with tiptronic (sp?) the transmission started to slip. After fighting with the dealership for 4 months who kept telling us that there was nothing wrong and they could not duplicate the issue the transmission failed. Final bill to replace it was $6800. The car was at 30k easy miles when it failed.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:30 AM   #11
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I have to wonder if some .gov type at the EPA mixed up the CVT and 5MT numbers.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:40 AM   #12
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Yes, something is very wrong. He bought the cvt instead of the 5 speed (Believe me I know how that feels).
I have no regrets with the CVT. I even test drove the 5 speed. The CVT is smooth and I don't mind it at all. I wanted the better fuel economy.
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Old 12-02-2012, 02:07 AM   #13
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So I have been kicking around the idea of trading in my 2012 Impreza for a 2013 Jetta TDI. I was looking at the trade in value of my Limited and surprisingly it is worth more than what I paid for the car (long story, I originally had a Premium but it got lemoned and now I have a Limited). I know that some of the 2009+ TDI's have high pressure fuel pump (HPFP) issues. That is one of my biggest apprehensions toward making the jump. Does anyone have any experience with this car? It looks like the Jetta has some issues that are pretty common - almost like the squeaky seat problem some people encounter.

Don't get me wrong, I like my Impreza, however I feel that in order to achieve MPGs anywhere near the 36MPG on the highway, all the stars have to align. The Jetta can get even more than the EPA estimates with driving normal. The fact that my car has a high value right now, I am considering making the jump. Opinions are appreciated, although they might be biased!
I probably would have gotten a 2012 Golf/jetta tdi but I just don't want the risk, the tdi seems to be flaky at best in the US, and every year there is something different wrong with it. It's nothing like the 1.8 was :-(

the other reason is they cheapened the cars too much for me. We have a mkv 2006 jetta 2.5 that has been a really good car, but at 80k the headliner fell apart, which is unacceptable imho, I have never seen a headliner fail before and it Is common on the mkv, I just didn't want the gamble
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Old 12-02-2012, 02:46 AM   #14
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If your main incentive for getting a TDI is to save on fuel, then note that diesel gas costs more than the regular gas that the Impreza uses.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:04 AM   #15
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If your main incentive for getting a TDI is to save on fuel, then note that diesel gas costs more than the regular gas that the Impreza uses.
Yes I understand that diesel is more money. Fuel economy is a factor, but equally as important is the drive-ability factor. The TDI has a lot of low end grunt and it can accelerate with ease. You don't have to hypermile it in order to meet or exceed the EPA estimates. Kinda nice.
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Edmunds has the total five year cost of ownership at $37,178 for the Impreza and $35,788 for the TDI.

Will you be kicking yourself later for giving up reliability and AWD for $278 per year?

Also, they claim repairs for the TDI will be around $1,147 at the five year mark, which may be optimistic.
Very optimistic. You'll be interested to know that I dumped my 2010 Golf TDI, after only 30k miles and 27 months, because of the reliability issues. Edmunds' Cost of Ownership numbers is bogus.

Do yourself a favor. Go to the MK6 area of the TDIClub forum and do a search on the following:
  • HPFP (high pressure fuel pump)
  • Frozen intercooler
  • EGR (exhaust gas recirculation)
  • DPF (diesel particulate filter)

Be forewarned, though: The reading on the above topics can take HOURS.

If that's not enough to make you reconsider the TDI, well, best of luck to you.

The TDI is a brilliant car to drive. They sell themselves during the test drive. "Wow, I can get that much torque AND get 40 MPGs too? That's amazing! I must buy one!" The car is pure sweetness, and would put a smile on your face. Until it leaves you stranded and makes you miss a very important meeting. Or leaves you stranded out of town for three days while your dealership, the out-of-town dealership, and VWoA argue over who is going to pay for the repairs. Or while the car spends 3 weeks out of 27 months in the repair shop.

Don't ask me how I know this.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:27 AM   #17
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From Consumer Reports:



'Nuf said.

Oh, wait, not quite. Here's a good thread to read, too:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=299854
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:46 AM   #18
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Yes, something is very wrong. He bought the cvt instead of the 5 speed (Believe me I know how that feels).
I agree with you, you should trade in your CVT for a 5 Speed Impreza!

Do it because you think you're smarter than the EPA! Who cares that the CVT (rated 36 HWY) is rated higher MPGs than the 5 Speed (rated 33 HWY).

You know the reverse will be true when you drive it 70mph+ on the highway! You know that all of us with 5 Speeds are getting killer MPG's!

Take your depreciation hit, tax hit on the new car, and registration fee hit. You will more than make up the difference in the excellent fuel savings from your 5 speed.

Double down! We want to know what happens when you drive a 5 speed Impreza at your usual highway speed... Now you can prove everyone wrong, driving fast isn't the issue with this car, it is the transmission!

If you want a cheaper alternative, why not obsessively upshift with your paddle shifters on the highway, since your theory seems to be the CVT is 'downshifting' when you don't want it to.

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I agree with you, you should trade in your CVT for a 5 Speed Impreza!

Do it because you think you're smarter than the EPA! Who cares that the CVT (rated 36 HWY) is rated higher MPGs than the 5 Speed (rated 33 HWY).

You know the reverse will be true when you drive it 70mph+ on the highway! You know that all of us with 5 Speeds are getting killer MPG's!

Take your depreciation hit, tax hit on the new car, and registration fee hit. You will more than make up the difference in the excellent fuel savings from your 5 speed.

Double down! We want to know what happens when you drive a 5 speed Impreza at your usual highway speed... Now you can prove everyone wrong, driving fast isn't the issue with this car, it is the transmission!

If you want a cheaper alternative, why not obsessively upshift with your paddle shifters on the highway, since your theory seems to be the CVT is 'downshifting' when you don't want it to.
I do. When I am on any interstate, I habitually put it in M mode and bring it up to '6'. Seems to help a bit, but not enough. Even if I drive the posted speed limit (65) it doesn't seem slow enough.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:22 PM   #20
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Very optimistic. You'll be interested to know that I dumped my 2010 Golf TDI, after only 30k miles and 27 months, because of the reliability issues. Edmunds' Cost of Ownership numbers is bogus.

Do yourself a favor. Go to the MK6 area of the TDIClub forum and do a search on the following:
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  • Frozen intercooler
  • EGR (exhaust gas recirculation)
  • DPF (diesel particulate filter)

Be forewarned, though: The reading on the above topics can take HOURS.

If that's not enough to make you reconsider the TDI, well, best of luck to you.

The TDI is a brilliant car to drive. They sell themselves during the test drive. "Wow, I can get that much torque AND get 40 MPGs too? That's amazing! I must buy one!" The car is pure sweetness, and would put a smile on your face. Until it leaves you stranded and makes you miss a very important meeting. Or leaves you stranded out of town for three days while your dealership, the out-of-town dealership, and VWoA argue over who is going to pay for the repairs. Or while the car spends 3 weeks out of 27 months in the repair shop.

Don't ask me how I know this.
I have gone to TDIforum to look at the problems of the car. The biggest issue I have is with the HPFP problem. If it fails, it appears the repair job is upwards of $6K. I was hunting around for an answer as to if the problem was addressed in the 2013MY, but I can't seem to find any definitive answer.

Funny thing, I actually stumbled across a few of your posts.
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I had 2011 Jetta loaner recently while I was having some warranty work done
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:33 PM   #22
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Whoops hit send. Anyway, it was a 5cyl gas model. It had no traction, the auto trans seemed like it was never in the correct gear and you couldn't see out of it. It was like driving a tin can around. I couldn't wait to get my Subie back. It was just an all around rotten car. Do some searching around and find out how much services run. The VW will nickel and dime you to death.
Just my opinion. There are tons of people out there who love VWs

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Thanks for your input Paul. My biggest apprehension is the build quality. I do my own maintenance (that is if I can), the dealer is giving free maintenance anyways for the first 30K miles. They also do free oil changes.
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If you look at free maintenance that will be done in 30k you are only looking at 4-5 oil changes if they recommend 7500 mile changes. Wear items are probably not covered. Brakes and such wont usually wear out before 30k unless you are really hard on the car. I would guess that the "free" service would be worth around 250.00? Not worth it in my book.

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If you look at free maintenance that will be done in 30k you are only looking at 4-5 oil changes if they recommend 7500 mile changes. Wear items are probably not covered. Brakes and such wont usually wear out before 30k unless you are really hard on the car. I would guess that the "free" service would be worth around 250.00? Not worth it in my book.

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VW TDIs have a 10k mile oil change interval, which is not to be questioned--many TDI owners on the forums have confirmed this interval with used oil analyses. So you get three oil changes in 30k miles, and one fuel filter change at 20k miles. Brakes are not covered in the 30k "free" service.
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