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Old 12-03-2012, 02:01 PM   #76
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Thank you guys. In shop now. Although all of you think I'm ignoring you sorry I just like to get alot of opinions. And I do appreciate every response you guys give me .

Also does anyone know an approximate mileage for timing belt?
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:11 PM   #77
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Ok flatbed is coming to get her now


If the guy checks the oil pressure and its at a normal pressure is taking off the oil pan and checking the pickup still nessisary
No, but it's not a bad idea, or at least not a bad idea to continue to monitor oil pressure.


You mentioned that the oil light came on, and that you put 2 quarts in and it shut off. That led me to believe originally that it was just super low on oil. However, now that you say it's over-full I think it was seeing low oil pressure even when there was plenty of oil. That's suspicious, and either means the sensor is reading incorrectly or the pickup tube is cracked (or some other less likely problems have cropped up).

What I wouldn't do is let it go - keep poking at it until you know for sure what caused the light. This is not a problem that you can leave alone and hope it goes away.

Timing belt is supposed to be done at 100k IIRC.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:19 PM   #78
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No, but it's not a bad idea, or at least not a bad idea to continue to monitor oil pressure.

You mentioned that the oil light came on, and that you put 2 quarts in and it shut off. That led me to believe originally that it was just super low on oil. However, now that you say it's over-full I think it was seeing low oil pressure even when there was plenty of oil. That's suspicious, and either means the sensor is reading incorrectly or the pickup tube is cracked (or some other less likely problems have cropped up).

What I wouldn't do is let it go - keep poking at it until you know for sure what caused the light. This is not a problem that you can leave alone and hope it goes away.

Timing belt is supposed to be done at 100k IIRC.
Well the guy said hell check the pressure and everything. I told him about taking off the oil pan and checking it but he doesn't think it's nesisery (auto correct not working) to check that out if the pressure is right. Idkk I trust him to do the job right.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:20 PM   #79
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+1 OP

I use vei systems gauges, and I have boost, dual oil pres/temp, and an AEM wideband which is AWESOME for preventing and diagnosing problems, and necessary for tuning
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:20 PM   #80
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Thank you guys. In shop now. Although all of you think I'm ignoring you sorry I just like to get alot of opinions. And I do appreciate every response you guys give me .

Also does anyone know an approximate mileage for timing belt?
every 100k. pretty sure your car is over that mark from the previous owner(s); did s/he replace it?
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:21 PM   #81
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every 100k. pretty sure your car is over that mark from the previous owner(s); did s/he replace it?
Cars only at 77k actually
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:22 PM   #82
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Also does anyone know an approximate mileage for timing belt?
The search button and google are wonderful tools.

(Hint: both answers you've gotten so far are incorrect)
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:25 PM   #83
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:32 PM   #84
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Cars only at 77k actually
You got a '02 with only 77k?! My '12 wrx is already at 10k and I only had it for half a year so far...

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Some people just want the world to burn I suppose...
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:46 PM   #85
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Give a man a fish vs teaching a man to fish.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:50 PM   #86
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So... you are confused obviously, here are the facts laid out. Print this out and give it to your dad. We aren't misleading you, we are trying to save you $$$$.

* You are risking buying a new engine by driving more. The fact that the light is out doesn't mean anything. That light is NOT an oil level light, it is oil pressure. They aren't the same. Subaru's have a long history with the oil pickup tube cracking, and you have the early symptom. Be glad you had that, as most don't have any warning. The next symptom is your engine locking up solid because the oil pickup fell off entirely. There is absolutely no forgiveness if it cracks entirely, your engine goes from happy to broke in .5 seconds.

* I agree with your dad about dropping the oil pan. It isn't quite as easy as loosening a couple of screws and out it comes. Especially if you don't have the right tools and a good place to work, including ramps/jack stands.

*5w-30 M1 is bad. Just don't do it. To go along with that, subaru's tend to eat oil, and you absolutely need to check it often. Best is every gas fill.

* Timing belt, yours is WELL past due, change it ASAP (as well as all idlers). The service interval is 105k miles, OR 105 months. Being an '02, yeah, you are past 105 months.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:52 PM   #87
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^ I think the OP got it
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:55 PM   #88
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I'm not sure on the specific oil capacity of your engine but mine takes a little over 4 quarts. So when changing the oil (I fill to 4 quarts) and then slowly add a 1/4 a quart at a time.. wait 5 minutes check the oil level by removing the dipstick, wiping clean and then checking the level. If still low I guess how much more I need and continue the slow fill (of the amount you wanted) wait 5 minutes and repeat.

its much easier on the earlier 2.0's. The spec was 4.8 quarts, and they were more than happy with 5 quarts. Just dump in all 5 bottles and don't even bother looking at the dip stick.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:08 PM   #89
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^ I think the OP got it
I didn't see anyone mention 105 months which is just as important as 105k miles.

OP needs to get to a good Subie shop ASAP so he can stop getting bad or incomplete advice over the Internet.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:10 PM   #90
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So timing belt is needed then? Oh great.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:20 PM   #91
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I'm not ignoring anything.

I talked to the guy I Know that owns a shop. He said. Get the oil to the right level. Drive it around . If the light doesn't come on. Then you should be all set. But if the light does come on could mean a cracked pickup.

DON'T THINK IM IGNORIN YOU NOW BECAUSE IM JUST SAYING WHAT HE TOLD ME.
BUT I also said if i got it there and have him look at and an oil change.
He said he uses this kind of oil for 800hp turbo diesels. I don't remember the name but he said he'd do that.
Tell him to stick with 800hp diesels then, because he doesn't know crap about subaru's.

What's going to happen is your guy is going to change the oil, won't see a light, and say "look, fixed it!" . Then a month from now the pickup tube will fall out and you'll be back for that engine rebuild. Your mechanic shouldn't be working on your car, get it to a shop that actually knows subaru's. You said yourself he isn't going to drop the pan, therefore you aren't going to know of the problem until it's too late.

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Old 12-03-2012, 03:39 PM   #92
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Tell him to stick with 800hp diesels then, because he doesn't know crap about subaru's.

What's going to happen is your guy is going to change the oil, won't see a light, and say "look, fixed it!" . Then a month from now the pickup tube will fall out and you'll be back for that engine rebuild. Your mechanic shouldn't be working on your car, get it to a shop that actually knows subaru's. You said yourself he isn't going to drop the pan, therefore you aren't going to know of the problem until it's too late.
I know we he did exactly what you said changed oil no light. He said just keep an eye out on that light and any noises. I want to to get the damn thing. But I honestly don't have the money to be in and out of the dealer.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:49 PM   #93
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you dont have money for a new engine either
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:55 PM   #94
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In case this wasn't posted already, read this. Maybe print it out for your dad and buddy to read. http://www.killerbmotorsport.com/ind...ickupStory.htm

You keep saying that you don't have the money. Think of it this way. With an EJ20 motor, your motor, you can get the KillerB reinforced oil pick up for ~$200. You won't have to change any oil pans, just take yours off, install the pick up, and put the pan back on. If your oil pick up is going bad, a rebuilt motor is at least $4000.

Now ask yourself, do you have the money?
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:56 PM   #95
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you dont have money for a new engine either
I know that. My dads getting pissed because I told him I want to bring it to the Subaru dealer of Nashua. But then if I go there today to have them look at it... I'm gonna need a whole nother oil change.. Like ugh.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:00 PM   #96
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I know we he did exactly what you said changed oil no light. He said just keep an eye out on that light and any noises. I want to to get the damn thing. But I honestly don't have the money to be in and out of the dealer.
The problem with keeping an eye out for the light or noises is that it's likely too late once you notice either. If the engine is still good after the light coming on once then consider yourself really really lucky and take a second to step back and assess where the car is mechanically.

I think I read someone suggesting posting in your local chapter, that would be where I would start. Make some acquaintances and get this done. Parts are relatively cheap so if you can get some experienced locals to help you you'll be all set. I've offered my services and garage space to other mwsoc guys in the past and have taken advantage of other's help when I needed it. That's where the real value of nasioc is. Not here in General. We've pointed you in the right direction, now get some buddies together and get that car running like it should. An oil pan can be done in a day with a few friends, make sure you buy lunch and beverages.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:02 PM   #97
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On a brighter note, I have a friend with an 02 wrx. His light came on and we both thought that he would have to buy a new engine. But it ended up being the wire going to his oil pressure sensor was slightly corroded causing the light to come on. Cleaned it up and everything was fine. We also verified with a mechanical oil pressure gauge.
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This.

Or, since the OP JUST BOUGHT THE CAR, the engine bay was probably pressure washed causing the sensor to get moisture in it and turn the O.P light on faintly (as described by the OP)

Subaru tech / service manager for 10 years, wanna guess how many broken pick up tubes I have seen? 1, and it only broke because the oil pan and subframe were nearly sheered off when the driver hit a retaining wall @ 40mph. Broken pick up tubes are not nearly as common as people make it out to be.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:03 PM   #98
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I know we he did exactly what you said changed oil no light. He said just keep an eye out on that light and any noises. I want to to get the damn thing. But I honestly don't have the money to be in and out of the dealer.
It doesn't have to be a dealer, just someone familiar with Subaru. Look through your local chapter's posts. There is bound to be a good mechanic in your area that people have recommended. If there aren't, post and ask for a one.

You really need to stop worrying about nickles and dimes when big bucks are at risk. You have a 10+ year old car. It will require preventative maintenance as well as repairs. If your engine blows because of a broken pickup, then you are basically scrapping your car.
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Where in MA do you live? That could give us an idea of what reputable subaru shops are close by to you.

Their labor rates are usually around or lower than dealership rates.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:53 PM   #100
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Where in MA do you live? That could give us an idea of what reputable subaru shops are close by to you.

Their labor rates are usually around or lower than dealership rates.
Haverhill.
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