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Old 12-13-2012, 04:02 PM   #51
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sorry guys had it messed up on my phone.

here you go. we pulled up my old dyno session from last time and overlapped it with the new one.


todays dyno was 004. last session from last yr was run 008


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Old 12-13-2012, 04:07 PM   #52
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sorry guys had it messed up on my phone.

here you go. we pulled up my old dyno session from last time and overlapped it with the new one.


todays dyno was 004. last session from last yr was run 008


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What else changed? Bigger turbo? If all you swapped was your injectors then your tuner needs to go back through the mid range of that tune and fix what he broke that messed up your spool.
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:11 PM   #53
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I don't like the look of that plot. Not only the spool, but the power and torque curves aren't smooth at all. Way too choppy.
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:28 PM   #54
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all i did was change the injectors why does everyone have to nitpick my dyno sheet? i was just sharing my results of the new injectors that made more power.

oh i probably should add i have FP green turbo... lol

and i attribute that to the better fuel atomization.


my tuner said to comeback when he gets back from vacation and he will clean up the midrange.

the id1000 is nothing more than a ford mustang injector with the tip cut off. one day you ID bandwagoners will realize that you got ripped off.
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:59 PM   #55
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all i did was change the injectors why does everyone have to nitpick my dyno sheet? i was just sharing my results of the new injectors that made more power.

oh i probably should add i have FP green turbo... lol

and i attribute that to the better fuel atomization.


my tuner said to comeback when he gets back from vacation and he will clean up the midrange.

the id1000 is nothing more than a ford mustang injector with the tip cut off. one day you ID bandwagoners will realize that you got ripped off.

It's nothing like that actually. They're Bosch EV14 cores just like the ones you have from DPI. Look at the Bosch injector website and you'll find out that you can order these in a multitude of spray patterns and flow rates. Mostly what ID does is match the sets based on latencies, response, and flow rates.
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:36 PM   #56
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Oh geeze. Look at the DPI1200, they look exactly like ID1000's.

It's great you're extatic about your new injectors, but please don't comment about which you don't know. Having tuned many different types of injectors across several platforms, I can say ID injectors most certainly is not a ripoff.

Unless your last injector was too small, you didn't gain power from the injector swap alone. In fact, if all you did was change the injector, the tuner should be able to solely work on the injector scaling/latency without changing anything else and make the graphs look identical. From there you can start making graph altering changes.

These may very well be good injectors, but the price difference doesn't have me running out to change the ID1000's out of 2 of my cars.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:45 PM   #57
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Well actually I do know what I'm talking about. The id1000 is nothing more than a ford gt500 mustang injector that ID buys in bulk for $20 a piece. So $80 bucks into a set of 4. They cut the tip off and sell it for $480. And that's not a ripoff? Yeah right!

I'll stick to a better fuel atomization injector anyday rather then a direct stream spray pattern
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:55 PM   #58
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^^ you really think they just cut off the tip? Seriously, go home.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:14 PM   #59
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^^ you really think they just cut off the tip? Seriously, go home.
There is a diffuser plate of the bottom of the injector it flows 530cc from Bosch. You cut off the tip and it flows 990cc.

Boy you sure have the wool pulled over your eyes.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:15 PM   #60
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How do they make the 735 and the 2000?
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:28 PM   #61
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How do they make the 735 and the 2000?
Lol the 725cc injector is a different injector it's a 051 injector. It flows 725cc from Bosch directly. Lol



And the 2000 is nothin more than a CNG (compressed natural gas) injector from Bosch it is not compatible with e85 or any type of race fuels that have MTBE in them. It swells up the injector seals and thus the valve gets stuck. And guess what happens when you have an injector that stops working? You lean out and bOom

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Old 12-13-2012, 08:54 PM   #62
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Since when were ID2000's not E85 compatible?
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:39 PM   #63
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Since when were ID2000's not E85 compatible?


Since always just never been publicized. Why would ID tell the public there 2000cc injector they make a 600% profit is pure crap? Lol


Those CNG injectors gunk up so fast with e85.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:48 PM   #64
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Taken directly from Injector Dynamics website:

"Fuel Compatibility - Compatible with Methanol/Ethanol/All Known Hydrocarbon Fuels."

The only ID2000's I've worked on have been running E85 just as well as the ID1000's I've messed with. I'd be surprised if ID2000's were purchased to run anything but non-gasoline fuels. They are also bigger than 2000cc.



How many different injectors do you personally have experience with again?


As far as the tips, the Subaru injector on their picture doesn't look like the ID1000's at all, but their other injectors look exactly the same. What tips are they both cutting off?
DPI 1,000cc (Evo application above/Nissan below):



ID1000 (From my STi and SHO)


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Old 12-13-2012, 11:07 PM   #65
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Taken directly from Injector Dynamics website:

"Fuel Compatibility - Compatible with Methanol/Ethanol/All Known Hydrocarbon Fuels."

The only ID2000's I've worked on have been running E85 just as well as the ID1000's I've messed with. I'd be surprised if ID2000's were purchased to run anything but non-gasoline fuels. They are also bigger than 2000cc.

How many different injectors do you personally have experience with again?

As far as the tips, the Subaru injector on their picture doesn't look like the ID1000's at all, but their other injectors look exactly the same. What tips are they both cutting off?
DPI 1,000cc (Evo application above/Nissan below):

ID1000 (From my STi and SHO)



I have have personal experience with quite a few injectors actually.

Here is a pic of a id2000 that ran e85. So I think I have quite a bit of knowledge on injectors.




See if you actually knew anything about injectors like you say you do you would know that a id1000 starts off life as this



See that plate with the holes on it. If you angle the injector and grind that plate off you have a finished product of this


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Old 12-13-2012, 11:11 PM   #66
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SHO, quit feeding the troll.
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Since you know so much about injectors, how many options for spray angle can you get straight from Bosch?
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:26 PM   #68
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SHO, quit feeding the troll.



no troll here just speaking the truth. might be tough for all the brainwashed ID nut swingers though...
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I have have personal experience with quite a few injectors actually.
Do tell...


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Here is a pic of a id2000 that ran e85. So I think I have quite a bit of knowledge on injectors.
I fail to see how that makes you knowledgeable based on one picture. That gunk happens on LOTS of injectors. There's a pretty big thread about it on the Evo boards. It's not the injector that is specifically at fault.


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See if you actually knew anything about injectors like you say you do you would know that a id1000 starts off life as this



See that plate with the holes on it. If you angle the injector and grind that plate off you have a finished product of this

Got anymore information on this process? I'm not completely convinced that they all start out like that considering the plate looks crimped or brazed on. That plate is likely only there to influence the spray pattern.

Your injector (below), is not the same as any one of the pictures I posted.







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no troll here just speaking the truth. might be tough for all the brainwashed ID nut swingers though...
You realize you bag on ID for modifying these injectors, but most of DPI injectors are exactly the same, and with the price being too close to argue ($30) about being brainwashed. My call on ID's is from the countless cars I've tuned on them. They are simply easy to tune. I've never had an issue with a single one. Considering the cores used, I'm sure these injectors are decent. It really depends on how well they're matching them.
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http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/conte.../html/2659.htm

Looking at this info straight from Bosch's website I see you can get an EV14 injector in at least 10 different spray pattern variations. That also means every EV14 injector you see is not going to have the same style tip on it.

What's the conversion from g/min to cc/min for pump gas?
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:50 PM   #71
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well my injectors were matched pretty good i would say. i saw first hand when i got them flow tested in the video on page2.

yeah i guess your right. to each there own i guess. I'm happy with my DPI1000's and that's what matters. the ease of tuning is what my tuner loved.


time for bed got to be at work early
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:29 PM   #72
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Well this escalated quickly.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:28 PM   #73
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Me thinks OP is a douche...and his tuner didn't like ID's for some reason and told him, now he's just talking about them like he knows them.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:27 PM   #74
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Wait, are both dyno plots with the exact mods other than injectors or is the later plot with a different turbo?
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:21 AM   #75
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Wait, are both dyno plots with the exact mods other than injectors or is the later plot with a different turbo?
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all i did was change the injectors why does everyone have to nitpick my dyno sheet? i was just sharing my results of the new injectors that made more power.
I'm kind of curious as to how changing just injectors changes that power band and increases peak power... Same boost curve?

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Me thinks OP is a douche...and his tuner didn't like ID's for some reason and told him, now he's just talking about them like he knows them.
Thank you for your technical opinion.
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