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Old 12-10-2012, 03:32 PM   #51
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Interesting comparison. In my experience with q16 vs. c16 (similar fuels, one oxygenated to add power), the power difference was a pretty consistent % gain across the whole RPM range.

I'm curious why you think the gain with FTW fuel over E85 was not consistent across the RPM range. This FTW fuel is ethanol based right? Were you able to get to MBT on this setup on E85 or were you knock limited on E85?
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:21 PM   #52
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I've talked to a few people currently using this fuel. Its basically as effective as Brazilian sugar based e100. The data Junior is providing is just about spot on for what the car should make. I don't post publicly much about the GT-R's I have done, but after tuning a couple dozen on e85 the typical dyno jet number is around 630whp on a, and around 550 on a true mustang. the e100 cars I tune make around 650, as Junior has done here.

E100 and the fuel Jr is using here is basically an "unknockable" fuel. If you have the balls to push the car until it stops making power, you have a 139-140mph stock turbo car.

If Jr gets a good tire on the car he'll probably go 9.90's. I would give it another 1-1.5 psi and try for 1.40's to the 60ft. Tires are key though, I'm currently running 22.5 psi in mine and just ice skate on the street. Ill be out opening day if I don't grenade the trans or bend a rod first Probably only run it once though, road racing is where its at. Nothing like cornering and braking at 160mph +

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Oh how little you know, yet go around stating it as a fact... SMH

Sugar cane E100 is not the same at the FTW. I can get Miller on here to school you if you like.
E100 is just that pure E, with an octane rating of 112-118 or so and no additives. ( HINT_ THE REASON YOU KEEP RUINING FUEL PUMPS ON THOSE CARS ) Since you know everything you may want to have those guys mix an oil additive for the pumps/injectors etc sake..

FTW is mbte/oxygenated E. It tunes completely different, so your tuning style of adding 1000000 degrees and lean it out will not work. If you read what I wrote, I made no tuning changes aside from fueling, yet picked up power across the board. I didn't bother with timing since I was running the injectors at static already.

My current GTR has been a 138mph car for the last 6-7 months, on plain e85.
IVEY (PJ)
VISCONTI (Steve)
BEN (Jimmyp)
JACK (mark and a few others)

Have all been running those kinda MPHs on customer cars for a while now. It doesn't require balls or even this gas. It requires a solid good tune.

I have already been 1.48s and cut consistent mid 1.5s on my 20s, my cousins 13 has been in the 1.5s as well with the OEM tires. Maybe you should work on your LC mapping or boost delivery if your spinning like that. Wheel hop will destroy the trans, not the MadPOWa from 22.5psi
Bent rods, yea.. I can see that I wonder why guys can go 9s at 140+ with stock motors and not bed rods.. I'm going to have to research that

Of the dozens of GTRs you have tuned not one has gone to the track? You keep throwing out these numbers but I haven't seen any facts to back them up. I have tuned 5-6 ( not dozens as I don't like practicing on peoples 100k cars) and 4 have come back with track data. GTR guys love drag racing, so I find it odd that you only talk about all these dyno post.. and how they are the same as my findings.

based on your "findings" your car makes the same power as mine does on this gas. If you can find time in your tuning of 40-50 cars a week, I will put plain e85 in my car and we can do a few pulls.. You should easily walk me. And since I know you will say you don't have tires, I will lend you my spare 18s with drags and I can run my 20s.





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Interesting comparison. In my experience with q16 vs. c16 (similar fuels, one oxygenated to add power), the power difference was a pretty consistent % gain across the whole RPM range.

I'm curious why you think the gain with FTW fuel over E85 was not consistent across the RPM range. This FTW fuel is ethanol based right? Were you able to get to MBT on this setup on E85 or were you knock limited on E85?
Mike,

I will text you. I missed your text from the other day.
Didnt touch timing though, was a fuel delivery issue. I didnt even try to find the knock threshold, as I wanted the motor to live through the dyno
Im doing a whole hta86 build and don't want to put a hole in the block before it gets filled with good parts lol
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #53
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Oh how little you know, yet go around stating it as a fact... SMH

Sugar cane E100 is not the same at the FTW. I can get Miller on here to school you if you like.
E100 is just that pure E, with an octane rating of 112-118 or so and no additives. ( HINT_ THE REASON YOU KEEP RUINING FUEL PUMPS ON THOSE CARS ) Since you know everything you may want to have those guys mix an oil additive for the pumps/injectors etc sake..

FTW is mbte/oxygenated E. It tunes completely different, so your tuning style of adding 1000000 degrees and lean it out will not work. If you read what I wrote, I made no tuning changes aside from fueling, yet picked up power across the board. I didn't bother with timing since I was running the injectors at static already.

My current GTR has been a 138mph car for the last 6-7 months, on plain e85.
IVEY (PJ)
VISCONTI (Steve)
BEN (Jimmyp)
JACK (mark and a few others)

Have all been running those kinda MPHs on customer cars for a while now. It doesn't require balls or even this gas. It requires a solid good tune.

I have already been 1.48s and cut consistent mid 1.5s on my 20s, my cousins 13 has been in the 1.5s as well with the OEM tires. Maybe you should work on your LC mapping or boost delivery if your spinning like that. Wheel hop will destroy the trans, not the MadPOWa from 22.5psi
Bent rods, yea.. I can see that I wonder why guys can go 9s at 140+ with stock motors and not bed rods.. I'm going to have to research that

Of the dozens of GTRs you have tuned not one has gone to the track? You keep throwing out these numbers but I haven't seen any facts to back them up. I have tuned 5-6 ( not dozens as I don't like practicing on peoples 100k cars) and 4 have come back with track data. GTR guys love drag racing, so I find it odd that you only talk about all these dyno post.. and how they are the same as my findings.

based on your "findings" your car makes the same power as mine does on this gas. If you can find time in your tuning of 40-50 cars a week, I will put plain e85 in my car and we can do a few pulls.. You should easily walk me. And since I know you will say you don't have tires, I will lend you my spare 18s with drags and I can run my 20s.




I posted this last night in hopes for some dik-ishh comedy. I got it. Ill borrow your 18's, and you can borrow my GTR Cobb key bro. You can use it when ever you want, just text me
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:04 PM   #54
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I posted this last night in hopes for some dik-ishh comedy. I got it. Ill borrow your 18's, and you can borrow my GTR Cobb key bro. You can use it when ever you want, just text me
You aint seen much yet, but like I already text you BRO.. Stay out of my threads like the mods asked me to do with your threads. You steer clear of me and I will offer you the very same courtesy. So no one has to go crying about "bashing" vendors.

I don't need your GTR key either BRO.. I have my very own, luckily when I went up to TheShopCT jimmy let me borrow his because mine was awol. Just like he lets you use the Subaru one for the last 6-7 months.

Im ready when you are, which I know can be very difficult because of your 40-50car weekly work load..

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Old 12-10-2012, 05:13 PM   #55
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**** just got serious.. .
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:14 PM   #56
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Super Tuner!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:16 PM   #57
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:36 PM   #58
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Well there is only one way to settle this, lets see a race

Since im far far away, can one of you video it on pink razor for me
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:01 PM   #59
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I will text you. I missed your text from the other day.
Didnt touch timing though, was a fuel delivery issue. I didnt even try to find the knock threshold, as I wanted the motor to live through the dyno
Im doing a whole hta86 build and don't want to put a hole in the block before it gets filled with good parts lol
Sounds good. I have a customer that runs his at Watkins Glen and I can't wait to get a ride in it after midpipes and tune. They're amazing machines. With HTA86s yours will be nutty.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:34 PM   #63
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So the FTW purple is e-85? What color is the e-98 based FTW? I'm guessing I have no where near enough fuel to run the e-98 FTW as I saw a Honda having to run 2 id2000's per cylinder to run it.

How would you compare the e-85 FTW purple against e-98. Both in power gains and amount of fuel needed?
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:25 AM   #64
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Ouch STi Mikey you just got knocked the F out...


I hear KY works good in E100 LOL
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So the FTW purple is e-85? What color is the e-98 based FTW? I'm guessing I have no where near enough fuel to run the e-98 FTW as I saw a Honda having to run 2 id2000's per cylinder to run it.

How would you compare the e-85 FTW purple against e-98. Both in power gains and amount of fuel needed?

FTW Orange stuff is for NA cars, compressions as high as 15:1

FTW Purple is a heavily oxygenated pure racing bred E85. Has an octane rating of 120+ as well. Its pretty much good for anything making big HP, but cant run methanol based fuel due to class rules/restrictions.

FTW Clear is straight up hardcore racing fuel. If you need this stuff you are making some serious power. The purple runs in 1200hp 4cyls, so this is naturally the next step if you have managed to build a 1200+hp 4 banger lol.

The Purple in my findings needed another 20-25% fuel over my e85 mapping. With e98 I usually need around 15%. Power gains to be had? From switching to FTW over normal e98 should be around 5-6% across the board. On a car like mine were I have exhausted all power output on the setup, it is well worth seeing the 40-50whp gains. That translates to another 2-3mph at the strip to me.

I would say that 95% of the people will be fine with the purple. I would put clear in those 1500-1600hp 2jz/vr motors or some crazy high compression forced induction v8. You will need A L O T of fuel to run that stuff, I would guess mechanical fuel pump and a base of 100psi since the IDs will move some serious fuel flow at high pressure.


Update on my stuff, I made 660 by adding a reg and bumping up the base to 70psi. Still out of fuel but the graph got smoother to 5500rpm with the extra fuel.
Tony @ T1 hooked me up big time as he usually does and I am receiving my id2000s and complete rail/fuel setup from them today. I was going to toss in some smaller injectors and go play, but I figured with the up coming winter mods I will need the fuel system anyway
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Damn hp is getting really expensive..
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Good lord Jr, great work and good info in this thread. (as well as comic humor ) That FTW juice is interesting. I'll look this stuff up!

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At their level, yes . When you're down here where I'm at it's not that bad
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I hear KY works good in E100 LOL
How did I miss this.. LOLOLOLOL

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Damn hp is getting really expensive..
It really is... The GTR guys have it down to a science with the mods and the outcome. It really all boils down to the tune after that.
In the end I want a 160-165mph car car at the drag strip on e85.. after that the trans becomes really expensive.. like buy a whole STI expensive

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Good lord Jr, great work and good info in this thread. (as well as comic humor ) That FTW juice is interesting. I'll look this stuff up!

At their level, yes . When you're down here where I'm at it's not that bad
Thanks! Seems as though my threads always have some humor in them lol


The ****ty part really is that what it cost to build a real deal 650-700whp STI is the same as building a 1000-1100 low 9sec 160mph daily driver GTR. The initial 90-110k for a newer GTR is ****ty though
Buying a 09 with 30-40k for 60k and dumping 30k would have been the better choice.

Here she is btw





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Car looks good! My friend has a gtr with an engine from Tony at T1. Car made some awesome power. Twin 35r turbos. Crazy stuff. Lol. Makes every ones car look puny. Haha.
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Car looks good! My friend has a gtr with an engine from Tony at T1. Car made some awesome power. Twin 35r turbos. Crazy stuff. Lol. Makes every ones car look puny. Haha.
I have been in a few fast ones, but Jim@TheShopCTs twin hta86 car takes the cake lol.. I was pinned in the seat and it never stopped going.
He went 9.1@165mph
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I have been in a few fast ones, but Jim@TheShopCTs twin hta86 car takes the cake lol.. I was pinned in the seat and it never stopped going.
He went 9.1@165mph
Nice! I wish i had that much extra money laying around. Lol. This one went 9.3 @ 155 letting out at 1000'. Haha. Ridiculous. He broke the diff on the next pass after he realized he was letting out early. Lol. It made 1129 on a mustang dyno (no dynojet correction).
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Junior- Why don't you bring the GTR to Akuma. I would love to see the numbers. No charge obviously. It would be really cool to get some comparo numbers. If you want, you could also bring the Nightshift Suby too. I think the NASIOC guys would love to see the plots. We could see what we would have to set the Mustang at to get comparable numbers.

I think these two cars would be a great platform for comparison.

Let me know what you think.

FYI 300 traps approx 109 ans 580 traps approx 137-138. We had a GTR with our STG1 turbos and the owner ran in auto mode, no launch control and was in the mid 10s(18.5PSI) at 137.5 iirc.

Let me know. Nice car btw.

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Junior- Why don't you bring the GTR to Akuma. I would love to see the numbers. No charge obviously. It would be really cool to get some comparo numbers. If you want, you could also bring the Nightshift Suby too. I think the NASIOC guys would love to see the plots. We could see what we would have to set the Mustang at to get comparable numbers.

I think these two cars would be a great platform for comparison.

Let me know what you think.

FYI 300 traps approx 109 ans 580 traps approx 137-138. We had a GTR with our STG1 turbos and the owner ran in auto mode, no launch control and was in the mid 10s(18.5PSI) at 137.5 iirc.

Let me know. Nice car btw.

John
Once I am done, and get a MPH with the new power I am game. I cant speak for Xdrian but I think he is down too.

Your 580 for 137-38mph sounds about spot on for 620 on the DJ here based off the 138.Xmph my car already trapped.

AUTO or manually usually net me the same results. When I don't use LC or cut a slow 60ft I get same mph, less ET

How are your Stg1s compared to like SIRs stg1s?

I thought about the bolt on way, in the end its only a couple bucks more to make a bunch more power and not be limited by the stock manifolds. Not that 155mph cars are slow, but I like the idea of being able to "make more" if I needed it.

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really like the color you chose on your gtr Jr.---looks really nice and super clean.
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really like the color you chose on your gtr Jr.---looks really nice and super clean.
Thanks dude!!! Honestly I when I saw the color in person for the first time, I knew I needed it and after owning a black 2010 I knew I wouldn't do black again.
This guy was hard to keep clean




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