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Old 12-09-2012, 11:27 AM   #1
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Default Phase II EJ253 Internal HG leak possible??

Is it possible for a '99 2.5 RS Phase II engine to get the dreaded internal head gasket leak failure? Because I know that the Phase I DOHC's were the ones that were plagued with that problem, and the Phase II's had the external leaks..unless I'm completely wrong?

Also, what is the difference between the Phase I hg's and the Phase II hg's? I have a picture of the parts side by side on eBay and I can't tell. If I accidentally had used DOHC Phase I head gaskets on my '99 rs 4 months ago when I had the head gaskets replaced, could they have messed up and caused an internal leak? Because it has literally only been 4 months and 4k miles since I got them replaced, but then again, they were Eristic gaskets, which I have read can be real real crap.

And yes mine is definitely a SOHC
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:57 AM   #2
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Anything is possible, Do the tests and find out. The hg do look alot alike. I think the new ones have a black substance around the water ports on the gasket.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:02 PM   #3
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Anything is possible, Do the tests and find out. The hg do look alot alike. I think the new ones have a black substance around the water ports on the gasket.
Yeah I will. What's the best test though to find the problem? Pressure test? And thanks for your reply
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:22 PM   #4
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The main difference is the thickness. Phase II gaskets are .040" and the phase I are .058". There wouldn't be a problem using PI gaskets on a PII, but being eristic gaskets, I would suspect them to have failed. They just dont have good quality control.

It is entirely possible to have an internal or external failure on any EJ25, especially when you consider the way they were replaced prior. Surface preparation is so important when doing a headgasket job, that early failure is not uncommon if the prepwork wasn't good enough.

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Old 12-09-2012, 12:22 PM   #5
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I don't know if the coolant ports are the same, but the DOHC (EJ25D) gaskets is 3x thicker, so that should give it away quickly. There is some sort of test kit you can buy that detects if hydrocarbons are present in the coolant.


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Old 12-09-2012, 12:54 PM   #6
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thanks for the input guys. So I have all the right to go back to my mechanic and suggest the idea that they did not do a proper job in either the surface preparation or the head bolt tightening. Even the fact that they put on the incorrect head gasket (granted I bought them), but being a mechanic, he should've checked to make sure the right ones right??

The only other question I can think of is, after the rebuild I had because of the head gasket, I have to basically let the engine "break" in again right? What do you guys suggest? How long do I have to take it easy after this next head gasket job (if it's necessary).
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Break in is not necessary that is for a new bore. If you had this job done recently take it back. If it was my shop we would fix it for free.
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:32 PM   #8
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Break in is not necessary that is for a new bore. If you had this job done recently take it back. If it was my shop we would fix it for free.
Oh okay I see. I had it done early August of this year, and only 4k miles ago. My mechanic took it to a machine shop which he does business with, and they did the resurfacing. I will definitely be asking for an either free redo of the job, or just parts cost, especially since I've been hearing from people like you that it should be redone for no cost. thanks man
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:09 PM   #9
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I would not take it back seeing as you provided the gaskets. You may get a little leeway from the shop, but unless they provided the gaskets, you are kinda hosed. Me personally, I warrant my work for 6 months. If someone brought me eristic gaskets, I would install them but insist that it would be at their own risk of early failure.

It truly sucks to have them go so soon, but this is one place where you just cannot afford to cheap out on parts.

Best of luck in getting it resolved.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:12 PM   #10
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I would not take it back seeing as you provided the gaskets. You may get a little leeway from the shop, but unless they provided the gaskets, you are kinda hosed. Me personally, I warrant my work for 6 months. If someone brought me eristic gaskets, I would install them but insist that it would be at their own risk of early failure.

It truly sucks to have them go so soon, but this is one place where you just cannot afford to cheap out on parts.

Best of luck in getting it resolved.
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Yeah I see what you mean. But what I was saying was that IFFF by mistake I bought DOHC gaskets for my pII sohc engine, and the mechanic never said anything about that. I mean, shouldn't he have double checked before installing. After all, I'm not the mechanic here.. You see what I mean?
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:13 PM   #11
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And if there is anyone willing to do a HG job for less than 600 or less, please let me know.
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