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Old 12-12-2012, 04:02 PM   #1
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Default "Show or Display" rule used to import pair of Skylines into the US... legally

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What's that old saying, "the grass is always greener" is it? That notion rings especially true for enthusiasts of foreign sports cars, where great efforts are often taken to import these supremely rare performance machines. Some of the more difficult cars to import are the right-hand-drive JDM sportscars like the Mazda RX-7 and Acura NSX. Of this assortment of 90's sports car awesomeness, perhaps the most lauded and difficult to import is the RHD Nissan Skyline GT-R, but someone just figured out how.

Our friends up North at Autoblog Canada recently chronicled the adventures of Sean Morris in attempting to import not one, but two R32 Nismo GT-Rs. Morris owns www.showordisplay.com, which brings to light a loophole for vehicles older than 21 years and of "historical or technological significance." We would argue that a Nismo GT-R has both.

According to Morris's site, the Environmental Protection Agency has emissions exemptions for vehicles that are 21 years or older, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration exemptions extend to vehicles older than 25 years. He continually followed up with the Department of Transportation, eventually giving up, but in September of this year he received a letter from NHTSA. The letter granted him permission to import any of the 560 (500 homologation production plus 60 racing versions) of the R32 Skyline GT-R.

He found chassis #383 and #500. The former was imported and sold to a buyer in Chicago, while he took ownership of the latter. Living with a vehicle under the Show and Display rules has its limitations. The car will have to meet EPA standards as well as pass California Air Resources Board (CARB) testing if sold in California. Furthermore, a "Show or Display" car can only be driven 2,500 miles per year. Many of these JDM vehicles have passed Japan's more rigorous "Shaken" testing and the mileage limitation is a small price to pay for legally achieving this longtime goal of Morris and others with their minds set on importing a terrific crop of foreign cars.


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Old 12-12-2012, 04:49 PM   #2
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Those laws only allow you to drive the car 2,500mi/year.. just in case someone was shopping for a new daily driver.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:50 PM   #3
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Cars are meant to be driven. Not worth it at only 2.5k miles a year, I don't care how exclusive it is. I drive that much in just over a month. My BRZ already has 3.5k at 2 months of ownership.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:28 PM   #4
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Strange, I thought they denied the 939 (even though it's both historic and technological) when people tried to bring it in under the show and display.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:43 PM   #5
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Strange, I thought they denied the 939 (even though it's both historic and technological) when people tried to bring it in under the show and display.
what´s a 939?

Do you mean

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Old 12-12-2012, 06:06 PM   #6
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Might as well import a few GTR instrument clusters while your at it. Winning.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:45 PM   #7
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As much as I love the R32-R34 line, this would be pointless. I'd rather spend that sort of money on something I can actually drive more than once a month.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:51 PM   #8
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If you used it as a weekend toy, EVERY weekend and NEVER missed one you would get to drive it almost 50 miles a weekend. That would in fact be worth it if the price was reasonable. Skip a few weekends and you can drive hundreds of miles.

Most collector cars are only driven a thousand or so miles a year anyway
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:34 PM   #9
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what´s a 939?

Do you mean

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If you used it as a weekend toy, EVERY weekend and NEVER missed one you would get to drive it almost 50 miles a weekend. That would in fact be worth it if the price was reasonable. Skip a few weekends and you can drive hundreds of miles.

Most collector cars are only driven a thousand or so miles a year anyway
Yeap,

The last 3 years that I owned my Forester XT I only put 3,500 miles on it as it had been relegated to "fun duty"

Guess it's time to buy a 22-B (Historical significance and technology, I'm in!)
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Guess it's time to buy a 22-B (Historical significance and technology, I'm in!)
939, 959 whatever.

A 22-Bravo would be pimp!!! So would a TM Evo VI (plus you can get them in left hand drive)!!!!
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:12 AM   #11
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Who's keeping track of the mileage? Do you have to send odometer readings to the ABC agency every year?

My toy car, '05 GTO saw 2500 miles this year, usually warm and dry for North Dakota. I suspect next year will be less unless I do some long distance driving, crappy home schedule permitting.
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A year and a month and the 1989 R32 comes into play on the NHTSA exemption.
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A year and a month and the 1989 R32 comes into play on the NHTSA exemption.
And just like Canada I'm sure it'll recieve a special ban from the government.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:32 PM   #14
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And just like Canada I'm sure it'll recieve a special ban from the government.
And here in California special smog rules...
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I have seen GTR's in person and to be honest... I dont see the hype to it.

AWD Turbo and big HP - Big woop, there are a ton of USDM GT-R, RX-7, Supras, Subarus and EVOs with a ton of HP and Drivetrian\suspension mods to make them superglue to the pavement.


Yes, they are nice but again, what's the big hype about importing them and going through the headache or having it "show and display"???
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:42 PM   #16
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Cars are meant to be driven. Not worth it at only 2.5k miles a year, I don't care how exclusive it is. I drive that much in just over a month. My BRZ already has 3.5k at 2 months of ownership.
Fine and dandy if you only have one car. I have 7 cars, 5 of which get driven pretty close to the limits set by the law. The other two are new, warrantied, LHD vehicles. Safe, reliable, made for our roads. I guess one could define me as a collector.

In BC there are a lot of RHD cars, many of which are being used as "ghetto fabulous" daily drivers. Lots of 4g Supras, Subies, RX7, Benzes and Beemers with horrible maintenance histories, and of course the dreaded RHD. Having mileage limits on these cars will keep them in the hands of collectors and limit the shady imports. Besides, who wants to drive their uber-rare GT-R in the winter?
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Good for these guys. I'd go out of my way to see a clean, stock or very tastefully modded R32 at a car show. Years ago I drove to Frederick, MD to see a 2000 R34 GT-R. Bayside blue, bone stock.

Whoever owned the R34 also had an R33 GT-S. This GT-S was mutilated. Burnt orange, chrome rimz. Bubbly alien-plastic custom interior molded around speakers and gauges etc, nawz. I want to say it was automatic but I can't recall, I'll have to find the pictures. When asked by some kid what mods were planned for the R34, the shop owner (maybe?) said they'll make it like a twin to the R33. There should be some sort of police to stop that.

As for 2500 mi/year, that's not too bad for a show car or garage queen. After the first year of ownership, I really only drove my 350Z on nice days and weekends and I was doing under 4000 mi/year. I wasn't trying to conserve miles at all (saved me $30 a year on emissions exemption or something hah) so I could see staying under 2500 without feeling like I'm neglecting the car.
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I have seen GTR's in person and to be honest... I dont see the hype to it.

AWD Turbo and big HP - Big woop, there are a ton of USDM GT-R, RX-7, Supras, Subarus and EVOs with a ton of HP and Drivetrian\suspension mods to make them superglue to the pavement.


Yes, they are nice but again, what's the big hype about importing them and going through the headache or having it "show and display"???
1000+hp Skyline GT-R in Gran Tourismo = best daily driver evar.
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1000+hp Skyline GT-R in Gran Tourismo = best daily driver evar.

I have 3 of them in my Garage - you want one?
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I have seen GTR's in person and to be honest... I dont see the hype to it.

AWD Turbo and big HP - Big woop, there are a ton of USDM GT-R, RX-7, Supras, Subarus and EVOs with a ton of HP and Drivetrian\suspension mods to make them superglue to the pavement.

Yes, they are nice but again, what's the big hype about importing them and going through the headache or having it "show and display"???
R32 GTRs are pretty cheap in Japan, you can buy a pretty decent one for like $12-13K USD. I would never import one for "show and display" but if all goes as planned and you can bring an '89 over in the beginning of 2014, then it's definitely worth it. You won't have to conform to emissions regulations with a 25 year old car, you can register it as a classic and get cheap insurance as well. Supras are extremely overpriced in the US, RX7s tend to be unreliable due to their motors not lasting long and nobody who is considering an R32 GTR is going to be cross-shopping it with a USDM GTR since they're nowhere near each other in price.
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R32 GTRs are pretty cheap in Japan, you can buy a pretty decent one for like $12-13K USD. I would never import one for "show and display" but if all goes as planned and you can bring an '89 over in the beginning of 2014, then it's definitely worth it. You won't have to conform to emissions regulations with a 25 year old car, you can register it as a classic and get cheap insurance as well. Supras are extremely overpriced in the US, RX7s tend to be unreliable due to their motors not lasting long and nobody who is considering an R32 GTR is going to be cross-shopping it with a USDM GTR since they're nowhere near each other in price.
What are the costs involved with shipping one over?? Is this expensive?? (doubling the cost of the car?)
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R32 GTRs are pretty cheap in Japan, you can buy a pretty decent one for like $12-13K USD. I would never import one for "show and display" but if all goes as planned and you can bring an '89 over in the beginning of 2014, then it's definitely worth it. You won't have to conform to emissions regulations with a 25 year old car, you can register it as a classic and get cheap insurance as well. Supras are extremely overpriced in the US, RX7s tend to be unreliable due to their motors not lasting long and nobody who is considering an R32 GTR is going to be cross-shopping it with a USDM GTR since they're nowhere near each other in price.

Its from the date of production. Production on the 1989 GTR's started in August, so August of 2014 should be when they are available for import.

The price on those cars only go up as they age, as older cars cost more to own in Japan (insurance). You can find driveable GTR's for as little as $5k US.

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What are the costs involved with shipping one over?? Is this expensive?? (doubling the cost of the car?)
Depends on who the freight company is. It can be as little as $2500, it can be over $5k.
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Fine and dandy if you only have one car. I have 7 cars, 5 of which get driven pretty close to the limits set by the law. The other two are new, warrantied, LHD vehicles. Safe, reliable, made for our roads. I guess one could define me as a collector.

In BC there are a lot of RHD cars, many of which are being used as "ghetto fabulous" daily drivers. Lots of 4g Supras, Subies, RX7, Benzes and Beemers with horrible maintenance histories, and of course the dreaded RHD. Having mileage limits on these cars will keep them in the hands of collectors and limit the shady imports. Besides, who wants to drive their uber-rare GT-R in the winter?
Okay, I agree with all of that. Damn you for collecting cars!
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:10 PM   #24
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Cars are meant to be driven. Not worth it at only 2.5k miles a year, I don't care how exclusive it is. I drive that much in just over a month. My BRZ already has 3.5k at 2 months of ownership.
I only put about 3k a year on the STI and motorcycle at this point... the diesel gets the lion's share of mileage. I doubt few people going to the trouble of importing a RHD 25 year old car would want to put 30k miles a year on it.
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Agreed,

Hopefully this marks a change in NHTSA thinking. Let me bring it over, limit my miles and make me jump through a few hoops (ie: annual inspection with state police) and I will be a happy boy.
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