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Old 12-14-2012, 11:31 AM   #26
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Why would you ever run an MCB when you have the ability to use closed loop boost control? Thats like buying a subaru and replacing the awd with a solid rear axle.

You can modify the new model stock injectors? Forget that, tuning any kind of EV14 setup is a dream, they really are that much better than the older style of injectors.

Every electric cutout ever made by humans, robots, or mythical creatures will leak.

How do you run a turbo inlet with a rotated setup?
1. Sure run the ebcs and then wonder why the ****er clicks when its cold outside, and correct me if i am wrong, but are you saying that ebcs will spool faster than a manuel boost controller. Not to mention choose to run ewg, now your **** flutters.

2. If he has flow to buy new injectors .........do it; if not modding the stockers will result in the same ****, cheaper (this ant new)

3. He is still on stock catback......maybe he likes it; if he does dmh cut out is cheaper than cbe and does the same ****.

4. If you believe that a turbo inlet is needed on a rotated set, or you simply trying to play me have at it. He is still running stock location, if he stays stock location..................he should replace the stock inlet.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:34 AM   #27
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If you want 350whp, you're not going to get it on the v52, even with e85. A handful of people have come close (pushed 340whp), but haven't reached 350 whp on the vf52 with every single bolt on known to man and e85 with a tune that is pushing the limits. Could you manipulate a dyno to read 350whp? Yup. I guess you could get it that way if you want.

There are countless people making 350whp (or more) with a vf52 on E85. Let's not have this turn into a dyno debate though. I've personally seen atleast 5 make over 350whp with a simple vf52 on e85 (+ supporting mods) on the local dynojet. Numbers are just numbers. If you are shooting for a specific whp # then you need to figure out which dyno you are going to get it tested on and ask that shop what needs to be done to achieve those numbers on their dyno. My car made 320whp on my local mustang dyno with a vf39 on E85 and supporting mods, while my friends car with the same setup (basically the exact same parts) made 365whp on the local dynojet.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:37 AM   #28
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1. Sure run the ebcs and then wonder why the ****er clicks when its cold outside, and correct me if i am wrong, but are you saying that ebcs will spool faster than a manuel boost controller. Not to mention choose to run ewg, now your **** flutters.

2. If he has flow to buy new injectors .........do it; if not modding the stockers will result in the same ****, cheaper (this ant new)

3. He is still on stock catback......maybe he likes it; if he does dmh cut out is cheaper than cbe and does the same ****.

4. If you believe that a turbo inlet is needed on a rotated set, or you simply trying to play me have at it. He is still running stock location, if he stays stock location..................he should replace the stock inlet.
1. Yes it is better, you can keep the turbo right where it wants to be all the time. If you are running out of compressor you can drop the boost down at high rpms rather than have to run your redline boost all the time.

2. I've never heard of anyone modding stockers besides the older cars like yours, the smart thing for us with newer cars is to buy new injectors and sell the stockers to someone with an older car as an upgrade.

3. Yeah, maybe its cheaper, maybe it wont leak for a little while, it will eventually leak, and whistle and sound like complete crap.

4. Literally right above where you said to get an inlet you said to get a rotated setup.
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1. Sure run the ebcs and then wonder why the ****er clicks when its cold outside, and correct me if i am wrong, but are you saying that ebcs will spool faster than a manuel boost controller. Not to mention choose to run ewg, now your **** flutters.

2. If he has flow to buy new injectors .........do it; if not modding the stockers will result in the same ****, cheaper (this ant new)

3. He is still on stock catback......maybe he likes it; if he does dmh cut out is cheaper than cbe and does the same ****.

4. If you believe that a turbo inlet is needed on a rotated set, or you simply trying to play me have at it. He is still running stock location, if he stays stock location..................he should replace the stock inlet.

1. He's not running an EWG so for a DD only situation an EBCS is far more practical.

2. Modded stockers will never flow as nicely as a set of injectors designed to flow a specific CC, ask any tuner or anyone that knows how injectors work.

3. The stock catback is completely fine for his power levels. It might make some limitation, but at the power output he plans there is absolutely no evidence that suggests it will impede flow.

4. The inlets on the 08+ models are fine if you are planning on stay with a stock turbo.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:39 AM   #30
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:40 AM   #31
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Run straight 93
hallman mbc
accesport, open source
modify stock injectors and have them flow tested
38mm ewg up pipe kit (since i assume you are still on stock up pipe)
electronic cutout (since i assume you are running stock cbe)
Look at kinugawa, or OG FP Green or put together easy rotated setup (i.e. Holset hx35 cuz its cheap even brand new, rotated dp, up adaptor or rotated up pipe)
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Find parts used and do your homework/ thread

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P.S> what are you going to do about a clutch? Get rid of some of that dead weight........light weight crank pully, lightweigh flywheel, remove spare tire, take of the under brace, ditch front bumper beam.

I dont understand most of your suggestions because the OP specifically stated he is only using this car as a DD and wants to maintain as much reliability as possible. Basically everything you suggested (minus EWG/uppipe and the cutout) are completely unnecessary for his application.
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1. He's not running an EWG so for a DD only situation an EBCS is far more practical.

2. Modded stockers will never flow as nicely as a set of injectors designed to flow a specific CC, ask any tuner or anyone that knows how injectors work.

3. The stock catback is completely fine for his power levels. It might make some limitation, but at the power output he plans there is absolutely no evidence that suggests it will impede flow.

4. The inlets on the 08+ models are fine if you are planning on stay with a stock turbo.
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OP typing owned me.....i am fully aware and competent that there is no need for a turbo inlet for a rotated set. That reference was being made toward the fact he was still on stock inlet.

It was said that newer gen inlets are constructed better......well then ok.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:45 AM   #33
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1. He's not running an EWG so for a DD only situation an EBCS is far more practical.

2. Modded stockers will never flow as nicely as a set of injectors designed to flow a specific CC, ask any tuner or anyone that knows how injectors work.

3. The stock catback is completely fine for his power levels. It might make some limitation, but at the power output he plans there is absolutely no evidence that suggests it will impede flow.

4. The inlets on the 08+ models are fine if you are planning on stay with a stock turbo.
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I dont understand most of your suggestions because the OP specifically stated he is only using this car as a DD and wants to maintain as much reliability as possible. Basically everything you suggested (minus EWG/uppipe and the cutout) are completely unnecessary for his application.
I dont understand how you can ask/want 350 and only do an occasional wot pull, but its not my car and was only giving suggestion on an expanded setup. Does the compromise toward reliability not start with the first bolt on?

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Old 12-14-2012, 12:02 PM   #34
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There are countless people making 350whp (or more) with a vf52 on E85. Let's not have this turn into a dyno debate though. I've personally seen atleast 5 make over 350whp with a simple vf52 on e85 (+ supporting mods) on the local dynojet. Numbers are just numbers. If you are shooting for a specific whp # then you need to figure out which dyno you are going to get it tested on and ask that shop what needs to be done to achieve those numbers on their dyno. My car made 320whp on my local mustang dyno with a vf39 on E85 and supporting mods, while my friends car with the same setup (basically the exact same parts) made 365whp on the local dynojet.
Exactly. Maybe you should have read my entire post. I said you can make a dyno read whatever you want. You and I both know a dynojet reads higher. To me, if you have to choose which dyno you go to in order to get 350whp, that isn't a "real" 350whp. Now, that is my personal opinion and I understand that. But this reason is why a load of Subbie owners come back with "how come I didn't win X race or beat X at the track? My dynojet (insert other high reading/ messed with dyno) numbers were way higher than his/hers!"

Let me rephrase. A true 350 whp in a wrx/ sti will net you solid ~116 mph traps give or take a mph provided you dont take a lunch break in between shifts. I promise you that your average vf52 with just e85 and the basic bolt ons (TBE) will not do ~116 mph in the 1/4 mile. A few people have come close/ touched it, but that is a FEW people with a lot more than just the basic TBE.

So, I guess you can make 350whp on a td04 if youd like. Go for it. Be however ignorant you want.



I literally agree 100% with everything else you are saying/ suggest about possible setups. This whole dyno things is just that, a number. BUT when someone tells me they want 350whp out of their wrx/ sti, it means they want a setup that will trap in the ~116 mph range. Not a setup than can be manipulated to read 350whp on certain dynos.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:06 PM   #35
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So, I guess you can make 350whp on a td04 if youd like. Go for it. Be however ignorant you want.
Maybe could get close on a dynojet with an upgrade to the HL turbine and the 19t wheel, and a 10 hour engine. lol.

If this was me and these were my goals. I would, go with
kstech intake 7something maf
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full race 6758 stock location setup catless (comes with EBCS and recirc bov)
the same cat back I have now but in 3 inch (have no idea what brand, it was on there when I bought it, some $500 axle back and a resonator delete mid pipe)
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PW or stock 08+ sti intercooler with duct
1000cc EV14s, some fuel pump
tuned with rom raider/ecu flash.

Will do 350wheel any day, all day, any dyno. And drive like it has a roots blower, because EFR magic.

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Maybe could get close on a dynojet with an upgrade to the HL turbine and the 19t wheel, and a 10 hour engine. lol.

If this was me and these were my goals. I would, go with
kstech intake 7something maf
amr inlet
full race 6758 stock location setup catless
the same cat back I have now but in 3 inch (have no idea what brand, it was on there when I bought it, some $500 axle back and a resonator delete mid pipe)
TGV deletes
PW or stock 08+ sti intercooler with duct
1000cc EV14s, some fuel pump
tuned with rom raider/ecu flash.

Will do 350wheel any day, all day, any dyno. And drive like it has a roots blower, because EFR magic.

Screw it. How 'bout you and me have a bromance and get a 2.5rs, I'll put and intake on, you put a axel back on, and we can go find a dyno to get us to 350whp. We would be the coolest bro's on nasioc. Everyone would have to believe us because we have dyno proof!

OP, more or less, I agree with Leafy's suggestions.

If you want to make it stupid easy AND a bit less expensive, here's what I'd do (Not me personally to my own car, but if I had your goals and a tighter budget):

You have the downpipe already and keep the stock catback.

You need:
850cc injectors (1000cc if e85)
dw65 fuel pump
KS tech intake (bigger MAF)
Perrin or Perrin knockoff TMIC (if you really want to be cheap)
Grimmspeed EBCS (very popular)
TD06 20g turbo (they can be had for ~$1000 new from a reputable brand/ dealer)

That will get you 350whp and wont break the bank (relatively speaking compared to other options for the same type of setup). Very simple, very few parts. If you want some play room, get an equal length header and that will free up a good chunk of power.

Basically, Leafy and I are on the same page. So follow one or both of our suggestions parts wise and you'll get what you're asking for.
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Exactly. Maybe you should have read my entire post. I said you can make a dyno read whatever you want. You and I both know a dynojet reads higher. To me, if you have to choose which dyno you go to in order to get 350whp, that isn't a "real" 350whp. Now, that is my personal opinion and I understand that. But this reason is why a load of Subbie owners come back with "how come I didn't win X race or beat X at the track? My dynojet (insert other high reading/ messed with dyno) numbers were way higher than his/hers!"

Let me rephrase. A true 350 whp in a wrx/ sti will net you solid ~116 mph traps give or take a mph provided you dont take a lunch break in between shifts. I promise you that your average vf52 with just e85 and the basic bolt ons (TBE) will not do ~116 mph in the 1/4 mile. A few people have come close/ touched it, but that is a FEW people with a lot more than just the basic TBE.

So, I guess you can make 350whp on a td04 if youd like. Go for it. Be however ignorant you want.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2343897&highlight=vf52 (header + uppipe)

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1762992&highlight=vf52 This is a bit old but I can see more than a few in the 114-117 range, and most donít have many more mods then OP is looking at

Although I agree with you for the most part. 115mph or so sounds about right for a 350whp car in my opinion too. It can be done with a VF turbo, but you do need to push it. As far as the OP goes though, if he's just shooting for an HP # on a dyno then just ask the shop where you're going to get tuned.
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I'm not just looking for the number. A dyno is a tuning tool and I could careless if x dyno makes more power over y dyno. I said 350whp in reference to having only slightly more power than 300whp. I've driven a setup on a 2011 with 300whp and I know I want more. Obviously I'm going to take this whole process slow but I just want to take the right steps first to save money and time. I thought about it a while and I think what I'm going to plan on doing is just ebcs, fuel pump, fmic, and maybe injectors. Get protuned, and see where I sit after that. The reason I was looking into element tuning products is because a friend of mine has a gt52 and hydra and loves it. He's pushing 400whp on stock block and internals reliably. I don't really care what products I use. I just want reliability and results. Obviously there's more than one way to get to the end goal. I just need to see all my options. E85 is out of the question now I think. I have a tactrix and having to lug around my laptop for that is ridiculous. I'm not buying an ap because I can tune the same way with open source. So now saying I'm going to stick with pump maybe I'll look into the legacy style flange turbos like the 440xt. The reason for the racerx process west debate is because I can get the racerx with a military discount for $575 while the process west is almost $1000.
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2343897&highlight=vf52 (header + uppipe)

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1762992&highlight=vf52 This is a bit old but I can see more than a few in the 114-117 range, and most donít have many more mods then OP is looking at

Although I agree with you for the most part. 115mph or so sounds about right for a 350whp car in my opinion too. It can be done with a VF turbo, but you do need to push it. As far as the OP goes though, if he's just shooting for an HP # on a dyno then just ask the shop where you're going to get tuned.

It can be done with a VF turbo. But with the exception of DJC and one other person (cant remember the name, they had a sti 6 speed iirc), no one else has done it (that I know of), which is a pretty small ratio when you consider all of the stage 2 modded 2009+ wrx's out there. Thats a not a lot of people.

You kind of proved my point. I never said it couldn't be done. I said it could be done with every bolt on known to man (literally, every single one from equal length header, which people refuse to do because they lose the rumble, to a crank pulley) and an e85 tune that is pushing the limits (even DJC said so).

Also, you proved my point further by showing me a dyno of DJC (who is the fastest you could come up with) only netting 337whp. Thats not 350whp if my math is correct.

You also can't compare other model wrx's as most of them were/ are lighter (plus a bunch of other differences; they are different cars). In the list you provided, I didn't see a single vf52 listed in the mph range we are both talking about. Correct me if I am wrong.

So, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but both of the things you posted validated my points and not yours.

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I'm not just looking for the number. A dyno is a tuning tool and I could careless if x dyno makes more power over y dyno. I said 350whp in reference to having only slightly more power than 300whp. I've driven a setup on a 2011 with 300whp and I know I want more. Obviously I'm going to take this whole process slow but I just want to take the right steps first to save money and time. I thought about it a while and I think what I'm going to plan on doing is just ebcs, fuel pump, fmic, and maybe injectors. Get protuned, and see where I sit after that. The reason I was looking into element tuning products is because a friend of mine has a gt52 and hydra and loves it. He's pushing 400whp on stock block and internals reliably. I don't really care what products I use. I just want reliability and results. Obviously there's more than one way to get to the end goal. I just need to see all my options. E85 is out of the question now I think. I have a tactrix and having to lug around my laptop for that is ridiculous. I'm not buying an ap because I can tune the same way with open source. So now saying I'm going to stick with pump maybe I'll look into the legacy style flange turbos like the 440xt. The reason for the racerx process west debate is because I can get the racerx with a military discount for $575 while the process west is almost $1000.
One of these is incorrect. Either he's not pushing 400whp or he's not doing it reliably. Or his definition of reliably is different than most. Any knowledgeable Subaru tuner/ person will tell you that on stock internals (wrx or sti, it doesn't matter), 400whp is playing with fire.

If you weren't satisfied with your friends 300whp wrx, then any setup on the stock turbo with 93 pump wont satisfy you. MAYBE on e85 with a balls to the wall tune and every single bolt on you may be a bit more excited, but the stock turbo can only do so much man.
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It's not the power you should care so much about, but the torque. My '04 on E85 stage 2 puts down 335/380, on a mustang dyno. At first, I was disappointed with the hp. But when FAT (tuner/company) told me that's one of the highest torque numbers they've seen for ANY stage 2 setup, I was pretty stoked to get it on the street. With torque like that, you can just keep it in 3rd or 4th at 40/50 and it PULLS. Trust me, with the VF on meth/e85, it will keep you satisfied for a while. I say a while, because I'm about a month away from putting on my blouch dom 2 LOL.
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running E85 and jacking up the boost does not seem like the way to make reliable, daily driver goodness. You increase the likelihood of breaking your motor and/or your tranny.

A bigger turbo that allow you to run similar torque out further in the RPM range will allow you to make the power with minimal change in reliability.

I ran 300 whp with a VF turbo. I now have about 350 whp with a Dom1.5
The max boost is about the same, max torque is about the same, but I can hold the power much better at higher RPM. If anything, I suspect the Dom tune shocks the drivetrain LESS than the VF tune, as the onset of boost is a little softer.

Boost comes on about 500 rpm later, but it is a much more fun powerband. My tuner advised me not to exceed about 350 whp on the stock block, but if I wanted to turn up the boost a bit, he is willing to do that for me, where I could probably make about 375 or so.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, (which I'm sure I am) I read somewhere that fmic aren't all the hype the put out. It creates more lag time (not to mention makes the hood scoop basically nothing more then ventilation) and becomes a puddle sucker? I thought FMIC were for 400+whp or certain engine builds even though they can be done on anything, there most beneficial on big builds.

Like I said, I'm probably wrong. But lemme know
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Correct me if I'm wrong, (which I'm sure I am) I read somewhere that fmic aren't all the hype the put out. It creates more lag time (not to mention makes the hood scoop basically nothing more then ventilation) and becomes a puddle sucker? I thought FMIC were for 400+whp or certain engine builds even though they can be done on anything, there most beneficial on big builds.

Like I said, I'm probably wrong. But lemme know
FMIC is better all around because of the fact that it's not located on the top of a hot engine. Really though I've sat in a 2011 wrx with a fmic and a tmic and there is virtually no difference in turbo lag, maybe 500rpm but it's so small that you will virtually never even notice it.

I've seen builds with a tmic go past 400whp, it is possible but its not the best way to go. A fmic just has better cooling properties because of its location.

The hood scoop is going to have everything go in it anyway tmic or not.
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Really though I've sat in a 2011 wrx with a fmic and a tmic and there is virtually no difference in turbo lag, maybe 500rpm but it's so small that you will virtually never even notice it.
500 RPM difference in spool is about the same as going from a VF turbo to a 49# turbo. Not a deal breaker, but noticeable.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:24 AM   #46
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Okay, so let's recap, shall we.

Hydra: It sounds like we all agree that a hydra is not what you need or want to reach your goals. Besides that, finding someone to work on it after you move away from this area will be next to impossible. Heck, I like Phil, but from what I'm hearing, he's not exactly the model for customer support when you need it. Also, the convenience gained by the little e85-gas sensor doohicky will only be useful if you actually use it. I'm betting my left one that you will not. Get 2 tunes if/when you move to an area that has e85 conveniently available. You'll only use the 93 tune right now; you know this. As you know, I have a conservative 93 tune, and a somewhat aggressive e85 tune. I can switch when I want, but have not come off the e85 tune for months. But that's only because it's easy for me to get, and corn is crack.

OpenSource vs Access Tuner: I like the idea of OpenSource, but nothing beats having your unique car on the dyno and tuned on the spot by a professional, followed up by a road tune. If you're going to get a true protune, I would recommend Access Tuner. It's almost become the standard for tuners nowadays. Unlike a hydra, I don't know of any reputable Subara tuners that can't/won't use it. Heck, I can point you to 4 within 50 miles of you. If you still want to stay OpenSource, Junior.

EBCS: Pick the EBCS that your tuner prefers. Opinions vary.

Injectors: If you think you will EVER go e85, get the 1000cc injectors now. Switch them out (and the pump of course) right before your 93 tune. Then you just need corn and a new tune when the time comes. IDs or DWs? Again, opinions vary. While you're in there, install some 1 step colder plugs.

Intercooler: Speaking of varying opnions, I see the infamous TMIC vs FMIC debate is still going strong. YOU don't need a FMIC for your goals. A PW TMIC can support more than you'll ever need and your trans can handle. If you decide (after much research and shopping around) to go with a traditional/rotated turbo, just get the silicone hose PW offers for it. Switch a hose, bolt it up, retune.

Turbo: Stay stock for now. You've driven my car. Feel good enough? If not, swap it out later. You'll already have all of the supporting mods in place if/when you decide to. Buy a new clutch with that new turbo.

My build, for those who need to confirm that I know what I'm talking about - http://www.modmeets.com/entry.php?1-...-2011-WRX-MODS

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Old 12-16-2012, 08:59 AM   #47
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FMIC is better all around because of the fact that it's not located on the top of a hot engine. Really though I've sat in a 2011 wrx with a fmic and a tmic and there is virtually no difference in turbo lag, maybe 500rpm but it's so small that you will virtually never even notice it.

I've seen builds with a tmic go past 400whp, it is possible but its not the best way to go. A fmic just has better cooling properties because of its location.

The hood scoop is going to have everything go in it anyway tmic or not.
You can't say that a FMIC is better all around and that it adds 500rpm of lag in the same post.

Though the lag of a FMIC on the stock turbo is minimal, add a larger turbo later and the lag that results from that combination becomes pretty significant.

....if you do go FMIC, I'll take that ptp lava turbo blanket off your hands for you, you know, since it's really made to keep heat off of your TMIC. Hey, what are friends for?
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:38 PM   #48
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I'm a bit lost. 350whp is a LOT of power. People are acting like its just a nice DD with some kick. I understand there are guys putting down well over 400whp but the OP still wants his reliability. From everything I understand not to much over 300wtq is going to put some stress on tranny. Also it seems like a safe hp goal on stock block and tranny on the new wrxs is about 320. And to me 320whp is is a Fun DD with some kick. I have friends with 400whp and they are fast. I think we need to understand 350whp is a little much for what your asking. I haven't seen anybody make 350whp on the stock vf52. Close but not quite. And your definately going to need meth or E85 to get close.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:30 PM   #49
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I think (I hope at least) that RoadKillDMD was being a little sarcastic.

There is a whole lot of wrong information in this thread.

If you want 350whp, you're not going to get it on the v52, even with e85. A handful of people have come close (pushed 340whp), but haven't reached 350 whp on the vf52 with every single bolt on known to man and e85 with a tune that is pushing the limits. Could you manipulate a dyno to read 350whp? Yup. I guess you could get it that way if you want.

Whoever told you that (bolded) you can't reach 350 whp with a top mount is honestly retarded (with a 49lb turbo to boot!). IDC if it was a tuner or baby jesus himself. Retarded. TONS of people have been getting 350whp and well above that on smaller turbos and pump 93 only for a LONG TIME. Heck, go look at Xluben (very popular on here), hes making over 470whp on a 20gxtr (48lb/ min turbo, aka smaller than the gt49) on e85, granted it is with a fmic, but he would probably be making at least 450whp with a nice top mount. My point is, your turbo (gt49) is MORE than enough to reach 350whp on 93 pump and a top mount intercooler. You could get a 44 lb/min old school 20g turbo and make 350whp with a top mount pretty easily (20-21 psi) on 93 pump.

I have no idea where you are doing your research or what tuners you have asked, but you clearly need to do more. First off, there are a TON of other turbo options out there for you to consider (smaller, with quicker spool!) that will get you 350whp.

I know this may seem like some tough love, but I hate it when I see people misinformed who are about to go drop tons of money. I don't want to see you wasting money on a terrible setup for your goals. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions and if I cant answer them myself, I can/ will help you find the answer elsewhere.
Really? How sure are you? I made 350whp with stock turbo, non ported, and only 15psi and moderate timing. These figures were on a Dynojet dyno and then backed up by both JR and Phatron on an Airboy spreadsheet. Shut the **** up about **** you know nothing about. I'll probably be nearing 375whp when my motor is broken in. And that's around 5000ft above sea level.

Edit: I suppose I should mention that my 350whp/15psi tune was at about 1500ft of elevation.

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Really? How sure are you? I made 350whp with stock turbo, non ported, and only 15psi and moderate timing. These figures were on a Dynojet dyno and then backed up by both JR and Phatron on an Airboy spreadsheet. Shut the **** up about **** you know nothing about. I'll probably be nearing 375whp when my motor is broken in. And that's around 5000ft above sea level.

Edit: I suppose I should mention that my 350whp/15psi tune was at about 1500ft of elevation.
Dynojets read a lot higher than my tuners but that besides the fact. Agreed a nice tmic will handle over 400whp with ease. But drew how are you making 350whp on a stock turbo with only 15psi. There is something idk here. You must have a lot done besides that stock turbo dayuuuum! I want to see your mod list. Not saying I don't believe you just amazed
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