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Old 03-20-2013, 11:00 PM   #26
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Swift sports and KYB Excel-G's installed. Very happy with the ride quality. The ride is more responsive and yes a wee bit harsh, but this is to be expected. Overall very happy with the purchase. The wife even said she liked the ride better(had a blown shock so it bounced). It will take about a week or so for everything to settle in. Ill post back impressions once settled and I get the alignment. But happy with the excel - g shocks.

Here's what I had installed:
Swift sport wagon springs
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Kyb tophats
Mach v 1/4 saggy butt spacers for the rear

Before the springs:


With Swifts and Mach V 1/4 Saggy Butt Spacer:


The ride so far is prefect. I've done turnpike and around the town driving.
How are you liking the Excel-G's after you've had them for a while? I picked up Epic Engineering springs for my 2.5i, and I don't want to put them on those worn 2.5i struts. So its going to either be the Excel-G's or OEM WRX struts.

So I'm curious to hear what you think of the Excel-G's, especially in comparison to stock STi struts (if you've been in any STi's much).

I had D-Specs on my last Saabaru and I loved them, but this just my DD and I'd rather spend the extra money on the STi
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:24 AM   #27
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Still liking them. The car feels solid, and has a nice ride over bumps and uneven roads. For the money it is a great purchase IMHO. I think the swift springs compliment these shocks well. I would imagine the stock springs would too. These are a bit stiffer than the stock oems yes, but not so much so you hate the way the car rides. Just feels more like a performance car. The wife actually likes the way the car rides now then before with the oems, so that is saying something. Hope this helps.
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:03 AM   #28
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Still liking them. The car feels solid, and has a nice ride over bumps and uneven roads. For the money it is a great purchase IMHO. I think the swift springs compliment these shocks well. I would imagine the stock springs would too. These are a bit stiffer than the stock oems yes, but not so much so you hate the way the car rides. Just feels more like a performance car. The wife actually likes the way the car rides now then before with the oems, so that is saying something. Hope this helps.
I've been working on bugeye for months, and am just about done with the same setup (Group N & KYB hats, plus all new soft parts) and more (front bearings/hubs/axles, brake rebuilds all around, SS brakelines, F/RSB bushings and end links, steering and FCA bushings, bump-steer kit and boots, plus some cleaning and paint). Had probs with the Perrin end links, but by next weekend it should be done and ready for an alignment. You've got me antsy now.

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Old 03-21-2013, 08:08 AM   #29
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Sounds like a great build. I debated using the group n mounts up front myself, but decided not too to save some money. Hope all goes well with your build. I'm going to be putting Hotckiss sway bars on next. Ill report back on how that combination works.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:57 PM   #30
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Still liking them. The car feels solid, and has a nice ride over bumps and uneven roads. For the money it is a great purchase IMHO. I think the swift springs compliment these shocks well. I would imagine the stock springs would too. These are a bit stiffer than the stock oems yes, but not so much so you hate the way the car rides. Just feels more like a performance car. The wife actually likes the way the car rides now then before with the oems, so that is saying something. Hope this helps.
Great, thanks for the additional feedback. I'm thinking the KYB's will pair well with the Epics as well. I got used to riding in my STi on the pothole filled city streets, and I'm thinking the KYB/Epic setup still won't be as rough as the STi.
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:01 PM   #31
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iv been waiting for a thread about these. iv been fighting to figure out what im wanting to do. ill save a quite a bit of money doing these with group n top hats and swift sport springs and scooby spacers for my 07 wrx. cheaper then buying 854 dollar d specs
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:00 PM   #32
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i have 2 bnib group n front tophats if anyone were interested

just sitting in my garage
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:13 AM   #33
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Sounds like a great build. I debated using the group n mounts up front myself, but decided not too to save some money. Hope all goes well with your build. I'm going to be putting Hotckiss sway bars on next. Ill report back on how that combination works.
Will you use their links? I'm trying to decide what links I'm going to use. The other front runners are the Kartboys. It's $140 more for the Hotchkis, with a major diff being the grease-ports on the Hothckis. I've heard of tapping in a grease-port, but not sure I want to do that to an $$$ upgrade. Still trying to figure if it is worth the maintenance convenience.

Whiteline seemed like the other significant option, but there seemed to be too many comments on a sticky page about their stuff rusting. Even though that isn't much of an issue on the left coast, I'd still like to keep things as clean as possible.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:49 AM   #34
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I have the kartboy end links on the front already. The rear end links are sitting on my work bench ready to install. I did see the hotchkiss has those grease fittings and look like beefy units for sure, but decided to go kartboy since a good amount of people here and other forums highly recommend them. Whatever you go with will be better than the stock units.
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:47 AM   #35
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I have the kartboy end links on the front already. The rear end links are sitting on my work bench ready to install. I did see the hotchkiss has those grease fittings and look like beefy units for sure, but decided to go kartboy since a good amount of people here and other forums highly recommend them. Whatever you go with will be better than the stock units.
I posted a similar question elsewhere, and got a comment that one person had them installed for 5 years without needing to regrease them or have any squeaks. The $140 will go a long way.
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Old 05-12-2013, 04:09 AM   #36
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For what its worth.

I bought tokico hp blues. Installed 06 sti springs, front group n top hats and kyb rear hats and the scooby921 spacers.

Coming from stock struts and sportline aggressive springs.

So i love the ride quality! The stock ride height sucks but after talking to Turn In they said the blues wouldnt last long with stiffer than sti springs.

If you have amazon prime you can get each shock at 129 a piece shipped.
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:43 PM   #37
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I've had them for over a year with tein htechs and I love how they ride not to harsh just perfect
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:45 AM   #38
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I finally got my Epic Engineering Springs and Excel-g's installed a couple weeks ago. I will say that the ride is definitely more stiff/harsher than the stock 2.5i struts and springs. They are not bad for the highway/smoother roads...but the city streets that I drive on...the ride is kind of annoying. Almost to the point where I think my stock STi is arguably "smoother."

I can't decide if I want to track down some stock WRX strut take-offs or just deal with the ride of the Excel-g's. The ride isn't horrible, but for a DD that won't be seeing the track, I'd almost rather have the smooth ride.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:02 PM   #39
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In my brief experience with them, the Excel-Gs are harsher in terms of high-frequency response to smaller hits such as pavement imperfections, and could use more rebound dampening with higher spring rates, but otherwise they're fine IMO. They handle bigger bumps and dips fairly well.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:07 AM   #40
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In my brief experience with them, the Excel-Gs are harsher in terms of high-frequency response to smaller hits such as pavement imperfections, and could use more rebound dampening with higher spring rates, but otherwise they're fine IMO. They handle bigger bumps and dips fairly well.
Thursday, I'll be taking the car for the first highway cruise, so we'll have to see what it's like on smoother roads. Around town, it does seem a bit like a 6 yo with excess candy (a little bit noisy and active). That being said, there have not been complaints from either of my ladies, and the little one loves the fact that we can lane change in between white stripes at 30-40 mph. "No sweetie, we can't keep doing that. The police officers wouldn't like it, and would let dear ol' dad know about it."
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:20 PM   #41
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In my brief experience with them, the Excel-Gs are harsher in terms of high-frequency response to smaller hits such as pavement imperfections, and could use more rebound dampening with higher spring rates, but otherwise they're fine IMO. They handle bigger bumps and dips fairly well.
I have about 15,000 miles on my Excel-g's (stock springs), and this description is spot on. If you're fortunate enough to live in an area with decent roads, these struts are actually pretty good value for the money. But if you live in a busy area with crappy patch jobs, and monster expansion cracks, do yourself a favor and spend a few more bucks and get something else. I for one cannot wait get to get them off of my car!
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:15 AM   #42
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I have about 15,000 miles on my Excel-g's (stock springs), and this description is spot on. If you're fortunate enough to live in an area with decent roads, these struts are actually pretty good value for the money. But if you live in a busy area with crappy patch jobs, and monster expansion cracks, do yourself a favor and spend a few more bucks and get something else. I for one cannot wait get to get them off of my car!
The downside is the options are real limited if you have a wagon. Lots of options for sedan. Not so for wagons unless you spend about twice as much.
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:37 AM   #43
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Are people not capable of slotting the upper hole inbound ~.100"(2.5mm). This would allow the use of any sedan setup. May void warranty depending model?
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:16 AM   #44
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The downside is the options are real limited if you have a wagon. Lots of options for sedan. Not so for wagons unless you spend about twice as much.
Correct. However the sedan struts will still fit, you will just lose about 0.5 degrees of negative camber in the front. Get whatever sedan struts you want, and just get Whiteline Com C front top hats (roughly $200 or less) and you get your negative camber back in the front.

For those looking for another "cheaper" OE replacement strut, Monroe also makes an OE replacement strut, wagon specific available too. I have not had any experience with them.

http://www.justsuspension.com/vaf/pr...94&model=10321

I actually bought my Excel-g's from Just Suspension and got probably the best pricing available ($247 shipped to my door...search for a discount code + free shipping).

http://www.justsuspension.com/catalo...eza-2005-2006/

On a final note, I've driven on my Excel-g's (with Epic springs) for a few more miles, and they really are not that bad. As others have mentioned, they are not the best on crappy streets, but any upgraded/stiffer strut and/or stiffer springs are going to have the same issue. (Unless you stay with OEM struts and get springs with mild spring rates).
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:47 AM   #45
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On a final note, I've driven on my Excel-g's (with Epic springs) for a few more miles, and they really are not that bad. As others have mentioned, they are not the best on crappy streets, but any upgraded/stiffer strut and/or stiffer springs are going to have the same issue. (Unless you stay with OEM struts and get springs with mild spring rates).
I put about 1500 miles since installing the excel g and swift wagon springs. They are a bit ruff on really crappy roads...particularly when multiple pot holes exist or surface is severely uneven. But with the upgraded spring/shocks I knew it would be a bit more of a harsh ride. But it's not unbearable. Overall I am very happy with these shocks.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:40 AM   #46
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Thursday, I'll be taking the car for the first highway cruise, so we'll have to see what it's like on smoother roads. Around town, it does seem a bit like a 6 yo with excess candy (a little bit noisy and active).
We've now actually had 3 road trip (200 miles, 200 miles, 400 miles) since the last post with minor DD in between. Even after just the first RT, the ride seemed to settle down a lot. Much happier now, and definitely satisfied. A buddy even commented this last weekend that it has inspired him to keep and rehab his truck. If I can do it, almost anyone can.
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