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Old 12-17-2012, 11:46 AM   #1
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Just wondering opinions/input here. I have an 06 wrx tr (50k on the clock) with the following mods:
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I want to replace the trans and eventually get a little bigger turbo like an 18g or 20g down the road. I'm worried about the 5 speed right now and don't want to be surprised by it breaking and would rather replace it now and be able to sell my 5 speed cause it is in perfect shape right now. The trans swap would include:
6 speed trans/linkage
sti drive shaft
6 speed clutch and flywheel
dccd controller and switches
r180 and hybrid axles
I estimate that this will cost around 3500 to 4000 to get all this stuff. I can probably get 1200 back for the 5 speed/driveshaft/r160 i think.
I love my WRX now and like the wheels/suspension etc. My question is whether I should invest in this trans swap or just sell my car and put the money towards buying an STi. I'd want an 04 to 07 STi i think, with lower miles similar to what I have on my WRX now. Plus I don't think I can afford anything 08+. I'm looking for all suggestions and comments so lets hear em.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:52 AM   #2
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Up to you. 1 main question though. You installing everything or paying somebody else? If its you then can make it cheaper than selling car and buying a sti. If your paying somebody get a sti as it would be cheaper.

Another thing you have to keep in mind is insurance. Insurance will only give you stock stuff. So lets say you have sti brembo brake and get an accident. they will only cover stock subaru 4pot. Now the price of a new subaru 4pot can of course buy you used brembo, but regardless something to keep in mind.

Again choice is really yours in end though. Just my 2 cents
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:53 AM   #3
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I love my 5 speed...depending on how you drive, a 18g or 20g power the 06 5 speed can hold it.

The key word...how you drive.

I love making people mad that my car isn't an Sti and it blows them away with the 5 speed
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:03 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies. I drive carefully and sacrafice clutch to prevent shock loading the gears, and I have since I bought the car cause I knew the 5 speed was fragile. Bottom line is I don't want to have to worry about it down the road, and I have the time/funds/another car to get around in while the work is being done right now and might not in the future. I will be doing the swap myself. I've done a lot of work on lots of cars before but never a trans swap so it will be longer due to the first time through stuff.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:06 PM   #5
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Another thing you have to keep in mind is insurance. Insurance will only give you stock stuff. So lets say you have sti brembo brake and get an accident. they will only cover stock subaru 4pot. Now the price of a new subaru 4pot can of course buy you used brembo, but regardless something to keep in mind.
Not totally true. Insurance greatly varies from state to state but generally speaking, insurance owes for what is permanantly afixed to your car. If the parts are factory, parts made by subaru, then nomatter what model they came from it should be covered. There is usally a $ limit on aftermarket items though. "Racing modifications" such as aftermarket turbo kits on an N/A car and usually intakes are not covered at all, though the insurance company may be able to pay for the factory part, and you would need to pay the difference if any.

I'm an adjuster in MD for one of the bigger companies so thats where my experience comes from.

On a personal note, I recently had to have my bumper replaced due to an animal collision. I have a Limited lip on my STI and it was covered even though it did not come on the car from the factory.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:08 PM   #6
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Do you want just the transmission? Do you like the other parts of the STI like interior, suspension, brakes, etc? An STI is much more than a transmission.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:16 PM   #7
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^^ Yes! ^^ My opinion berrer off buying an STI
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:22 PM   #8
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Do you want just the transmission? Do you like the other parts of the STI like interior, suspension, brakes, etc? An STI is much more than a transmission.
That's basically what the thread is about. I would like the trans, but I wonder if its worth it to get the STi and all the upgrades that come with it like you mention. Because I dunno if it would be all that much more expensive when all is said and done, provided I can get a good price for my car and the STi. What do you guys think I can get for mine? Everything is solid on it, interior and exterior are probably 8.5/10. And pretty low miles for an 06

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Old 12-17-2012, 12:22 PM   #9
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I've built a WRX, and now own an STi. You're better off just buying the STi. Mods don't translate to vehicle value down the road, so all the money spent to swap stuff over will be wasted. The STi will hold it's value better than a FrankenSTi. Also I have a friend that has been building his FrankenSTi for years now and while it's pretty bad ass, I'd hate to think how much money has been spent.
On a side note, the engine in my 08 WRX failed at 60k and 410HP, the tranny still shifted like silk and held the power with no issues.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:25 PM   #10
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As for trade in value, banks use NADA when determining how much they would finance. So it's not a bad idea to run the NADA Values on your car and any vehicle you intend to get. Keep in mind though that they will most likely deduct for any mods you've installed, they certainly wont add money for them.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:27 PM   #11
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As for trade in value, banks use NADA when determining how much they would finance. So it's not a bad idea to run the NADA Values on your car and any vehicle you intend to get. Keep in mind though that they will most likely deduct for any mods you've installed, they certainly wont add money for them.
Not looking to trade, I would sell privately and buy a used STi privately as well. Thanks for the input though, i really appreciate it.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:23 PM   #12
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any estimates oh how much you think I could get for my WRX?
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:32 PM   #13
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any estimates oh how much you think I could get for my WRX?
Shush, questions like these get threads locked. It's against the rules!

Either way, you'll get blue book. You're much better off returning the car to stock and selling the aftermarket stuff separately.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:37 PM   #14
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In my experience, always mod the cheaper wrx vs the STi. You end up replacing so much, anyway; might as well start with a cheaper msrp.

<---sold wrx for STi, regretted it.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:42 PM   #15
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In my experience, always mod the cheaper wrx vs the STi. You end up replacing so much, anyway; might as well start with a cheaper msrp.

<---sold wrx for STi, regretted it.
Any specifics on what you regretted? I just see it as a lot of work to swap the trans/diff and basically a wash on price. I think I could get a lightly modded 04-07 sti if I wait for the right deal, for about the same price as selling my WRX+the cash needed for this swap. You think it would be better to do the swap anyway?
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:45 PM   #16
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If and when you try and sell the car...goodluck selling a 6spd swapped WRX to anyone.

I looked into this when I owned my 07 wrx and the cost was just to high in the end and you won't get your money back when you try and unload the car...which will happen eventually.

~5k for the full swap with brakes...and still won't have the resale value of an STI.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:49 PM   #17
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If and when you try and sell the car...goodluck selling a 6spd swapped WRX to anyone.

I looked into this when I owned my 07 wrx and the cost was just to high in the end and you won't get your money back when you try and unload the car...which will happen eventually.

~5k for the full swap with brakes...and still won't have the resale value of an STI.
Good info. I wouldn't do brakes/hubs etc cause i'd keep the axles and do hybrids but still, good point on resale.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:50 PM   #18
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do you still have the stock parts? only some of the parts listed would transfer over to an sti. and do you plan on rebuilding the entire/everything?

if you plan on only light mods but want more, sti may be easier to achieve your goals.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:50 PM   #19
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Any specifics on what you regretted? I just see it as a lot of work to swap the trans/diff and basically a wash on price. I think I could get a lightly modded 04-07 sti if I wait for the right deal, for about the same price as selling my WRX+the cash needed for this swap. You think it would be better to do the swap anyway?
It's a tough argument, but you have an 06 my, I wouldn't go to an older car; just for brembos, seats, and a 6spd. The aftermarket is there for most of these parts and you will easily surpass the STi's oem gear, too, you'll see.


if you are fine with 300whp on pump and don't want more, a stage 2 STi is very nice and reliable, anything beyond that and my argument is surely valid.
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I have a v7 sti drivetrain for sale if you decide to swap it out!
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:09 PM   #21
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I'd like to get to around 325 or so. I figure i'm at around 265 right now with the vf39 and 16psi. But 300 would be ok. I don't care about the brembo's my 4/2 pots are fine cause I don't track the car. What else besides a little nicer interior is there with the STi? I'd have the 6 speed and r180 so all the lsd's.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:11 PM   #22
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I'd like to get to around 325 or so. I figure i'm at around 265 right now with the vf39 and 16psi. But 300 would be ok. I don't care about the brembo's my 4/2 pots are fine cause I don't track the car. What else besides a little nicer interior is there with the STi? I'd have the 6 speed and r180 so all the lsd's.
There's nothing, dude. It's not worth it, don't get caught up in the STi hype. The wrx is the best bang for the buck, when you start modding a lot, it doesn't matter what you start with.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:26 PM   #23
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There's nothing, dude. It's not worth it, don't get caught up in the STi hype. The wrx is the best bang for the buck, when you start modding a lot, it doesn't matter what you start with.
Bingo. This is what I've been searching for to say to this argument all along.

However, out of the box, the STI is nice. Better suspension, better gearing, more powaaaaa. But more $$$. Is it worth it for the street? You decide.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:37 PM   #24
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I'd go with the STI. Thats just me personally, and I have a 2010 WRX. I could afford a STI pretty easily, but for what I do (it is solely my DD and meant to be fun, that's it) the WRX fit the bill better. It sounds like you want to go all out on this project and for that, I'd suggest a STI. I'd be willing to bet that if you sold your mods, sold the car stock, combined with the cost for the 6 speed swap, you could get into a 2004-2005 STI easily with similar mileage.

Figure a STI of that year and mileage goes for what? 20k maybe? Sell yours for 13k stock, sell mods for a $1g total, and $4k for the swap? You're at $18k with conservative numbers. I'm also willing to bet any STI you buy wont be stock as well so factor that money in you'd be saving because you don't have to buy those parts. etc. etc.

Also, resale on a STI is way better like someone else mentioned.
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It's not really all out, just a little bigger turbo and a solid amount of power. I figure that the goal of 325 whp/tq should be pretty safe on the stock block. And the STI motor is basically the same as mine so that doesn't really factor into the equation it doesn't seem like. If the motor was stronger it would be a lot different because i'd like to have some more headroom to make power without building the motor but that's not really an option
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