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Old 12-14-2012, 10:11 AM   #1
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Default The new FB engine oil filter

We all know the black 'JDM' oil filters previously offered for the WRX/STi are superior to their blue Canadian couterparts now produced by Honeywell (same company as FRAM). The blue filters are made to Subaru's specifications though with the correct bypass pressure, but still have paper endcaps. The black ones are very hard to come by now.

With the introduction of the FB engine in the 2012 Impreza, Subaru specifics the new 15208AA160 filter, which is black and is "made in Japan". Most likely the internals are very similar to the original black oil filters and they do have the same thread. They will screw right on. They are longer however, but as far as I know, the EJ20 has enough room to accommodate this.



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http://www.mann-engineering.com/prod...ilter-fb20fb25

Has anyone used these on our older engines? (EJ251 NA, EJ20 turbo, EJ25 turbo, etc as they all take the same one). PSI is 23.2

This might be what we are looking for. As far as I know, you could pick these up at your local dealer with no problem now.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:16 AM   #2
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Just to be completely clear, these ARE NOT the exact same as the original, shorter, black filters. They appear to be identical, except for the length.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:18 AM   #3
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uh you can get it for cheaper than $8
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:20 AM   #4
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uh you can get it for cheaper than $8
Well yeah, I'd assume they would be about the same as the blue ones at the dealer ($5-6ish). $8 is overpriced, but the link is to show the actual filter.

My question is about would they fit WRX/STi engines and if they would meet the specifications.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:23 AM   #5
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Has anyone cut one of these new oil filters open to verify they're like the older "black" Subaru filters inside?
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:28 AM   #6
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Has anyone cut one of these new oil filters open to verify they're like the older "black" Subaru filters inside?
Yes, that would be great. I'm only assuming at this point as they appear to be the same on the outside and are made in Japan. Some research will be needed to confirm this

Someone with a 2012+ and who has one of these filters lying around from an oil change... could you please cut one open?
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:46 AM   #7
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Better stock up. Post #14847

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...31206&page=594

Dealerships installing blue filters on fb now too
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:47 AM   #8
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If you look at the part numbers on the old and new filters, the only numbers that change are the last ones (100 = old, 160 = new).

For comparison, here is the original shorter, black, filter:
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:01 AM   #9
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Better stock up. Post #14847

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...31206&page=594

Dealerships installing blue filters on fb now too
Ah, I see.

It might not even be possible to get these at dealerships right now even. They are available online it appears, but production may stop.

Thanks for this.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:04 AM   #10
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Size comparison betweek the 130 and 160:

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Old 12-14-2012, 12:19 PM   #11
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Dealership gave me a 15208AA160 filter when I went in to buy one for my 2013 wrx. I was under the impression that the filter my car used was 15208AA12A. I'm going to return the filter they gave me next week for what I believe to be the correct one.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:00 PM   #12
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Dealership gave me a 15208AA160 filter when I went in to buy one for my 2013 wrx. I was under the impression that the filter my car used was 15208AA12A. I'm going to return the filter they gave me next week for what I believe to be the correct one.
Technically yes, the 15208AA12A is what they should have given you for a 2013 WRX.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:09 PM   #13
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Snagged a couple of these for the ol' TS wagon. It's a pain to do an oil change with my UEL covering 1/2 of the filter.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:35 PM   #14
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Technically yes, the 15208AA12A is what they should have given you for a 2013 WRX.
A dealer i went to just gave me the black one when I said 2013 wrx. I asked and said I thought I need the blue one. He said you told me 2013 and we went back and forth a bit. He asked for my vin and came back with the blue filter. It be cool to see the new one opened up and side by side vs the blue.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:45 PM   #15
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A dealer i went to just gave me the black one when I said 2013 wrx. I asked and said I thought I need the blue one. He said you told me 2013 and we went back and forth a bit. He asked for my vin and came back with the blue filter. It be cool to see the new one opened up and side by side vs the blue.
I very well might just fork over $5.XX this weekend to cut a clean one up for us all to see
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:40 PM   #16
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Tokyo Roki 15208AA160

Specs:

OD: 86.25mm
Length: 70.18mm
Thread: M20x1.5, Roll-formed
Spring type: Stamped leaf
Bypass Valve: 23 PSID, Metal valve integrated into the end cap on the dome end.
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes, Nitrile
Media type: Paper
Media Surface area: 1,092cm2
Beta Ratio: Unknown
Flow Rate: Unknown
Gasket style: "P" ring
Oil inlet hole/s area: Six 6.25mm holes. 184.07mm2 total area.
End caps: Metal
Can side thickness: .44mm









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Honeywell/Subaru 15208AA15A (Blue filter speced for the FB2.5 in the Outback)


Specs:

OD: 67.9mm
Length: 86.9mm
Thread: M20x1.5, Roll-formed
Spring type: Stamped leaf
Bypass Valve: 23.2 PSID, Plastic, located in the stamped spring, positioned at the end cap on the dome end
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes, Nitrile
Media type: Paper
Media Surface area: 837cm2
Beta Ratio: Unknown
Flow Rate: Unknown
Gasket style: "P" ring
Oil inlet hole/s area: Ten 5mm holes. 196.34mm2.
End caps: Engineered media
Can side thickness: .37mm





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Old 12-15-2012, 01:21 AM   #17
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Aww crap. Better start searching for some of those Tokyo Roki oil filters, if still available. Not a fan of the "orange can of death" filters no matter what color they may be painted. Any one get their hands on a aftermarket filter for a look inside yet?
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:25 AM   #18
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Aww crap. Better start searching for some of those Tokyo Roki oil filters, if still available. Not a fan of the "orange can of death" filters no matter what color they may be painted. Any one get their hands on a aftermarket filter for a look inside yet?

I really don't see what the issue is. Do ya'll really think Subaru is going to have an oil filter that will be detrimental to its engine? Seriously?

I don't care if someone makes a filter with some metal parts instead of paper. It is not on the engine that long. I have yet to hear of ANY engine fail because it used a Subaru filter.
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I really don't see what the issue is. Do ya'll really think Subaru is going to have an oil filter that will be detrimental to its engine? Seriously?

I don't care if someone makes a filter with some metal parts instead of paper. It is not on the engine that long. I have yet to hear of ANY engine fail because it used a Subaru filter.
For the record... I dissected a used blue one after 5k miles and 6 months soaked in oil.

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f117/t165...view-blue.html

"Conclusion: There are nothing wrong with these filters for daily driver, autocross, or spirited use. MAYBE if you are building a turbo track car you MAY want to use something different."

The main thing we're talking about is the blue ones are meant for daily driver use and are fine for that. Given you are going to the track, autocross, etc... you might want to get a better one if they are the same price. Even if you don't do those things, metal end caps are just a little bit better.
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flstffxe, thanks for the pics... look great!
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:43 PM   #21
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My aversion to FRAM filters is not just about the endcaps, but also has to do with the blue filter having less filtering media surface area vs. the OEM Tokyo Roki filter. That's just my opinion on this topic no doubt influenced after seeing this: http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar...reference.html
Would rather have the OEM or similarly constructed filter based on what was presented in that link. But that's like the reasons for people preferring a particular brand of motor oil over another so YMMV.
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flstffxe, thanks for the pics... look great!
Here is a thread with a bunch more filters speced for the EJ. I am sure some 3rd party filters are also spec them for the FB.

This is far from a whats better or best test......but more of a comparison of construction, advertised specs and specs that were obtained from the manufactures all put into one place.

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...parison-99130/
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i've used the 160 filters for two oci's in a row, and got a blackstone report on the second. they said i got good filtration. sadly, i have the new blue version of the filter on for the current oci since my local dealership said the black ones are getting axe'd (at least in central nj).

here's an lgt thread that relates the 160 to the previous rx8 filters that were used.
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...-147113p6.html

edit: fyi, i threw away my most recent black filter, so i can't cut it open; better get those 160's before they disappear from dealerships
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The 160's are 18.25mm larger in diameter than the 100's. Getting 9.125mm closer to my header I'm not so comfy with (it's already only about 25mm away if memory serves me right). Stock manifolds may be ok though?

Good thing I stocked up on 100's back in the day. Still have 2-1/2 cases left =]
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People who REALLY care about oil filtration will get an oil bypass set-up which runs ~$300.
People who really don't give a **** will put on whatever oil filter is on sale, hopefully for $1.XX or thereabouts.
People who use a scanning, tunneling electron microscope to justify their spending $8 on the "most" correct and "best" filter that is one step up from a $2 filter and one hundred steps down from a oil bypass set-up have differing priorities.

<-------------Has 2X HP on OEM 170,000 mile motor and uses $1.XX oil filters
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