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Old 01-13-2012, 09:31 PM   #1
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Exclamation A lesson/rant on buying and selling on the forums

Over many years of being a part of this community, and having completed many Subaru projects, I have quite a bit of experience in using not only the forums in general but also the classifieds. The following are some simple things that I have found should be practiced when dealing with people on the forums. The larger the community has become the further and more frequently I have found members to have strayed from these basic rules and proper conduct. Here's my take on it, feel free to discuss, add etc.
  1. Respect gets respect. Write in proper English without being a dick or using slang. If you send me a message saying "ay y0 I want that part but chu wnt 2 mch", take a guess how I'll respond, if at all. Writing like that means you're some punk kid with a sideways flat billed hat with the damn sticker still on it. Grow up.
  2. Be descriptive and honest about the condition of the item to a reasonable extent. If there is wear on it, I expect to be told about it, no matter how insignificant you deem it to be. I may deem it significant enough that I would not have purchased it in the first place had I known. If something happened to the car/part/item in question and it was repaired, I still want to know.
  3. The process can't be simpler, send money, item gets shipped. Not vice-versa.
  4. Convey the estimated time until the item ships and how it will ship. As well as ship in a reasonable amount of time. Sometimes larger items need more work for odd sized boxes or the like, but within a week should cover almost every item I've seen on the forums. Shipping an engine, trans, seats etc yeah, that will take more work. Communicate.
  5. Don't package things like a monkey. Take care in wrapping it. If it doesn't arrive in good condition due to improper packaging, that's on the SELLER.
  6. If you are new to the forums and have little to no feedback, post history etc. You bet your ass I'll be more weary of dealing with you. Conversely if you have been around as long as I have and have many positive reviews and no negatives, I'll be way happier to do business with you and more trusting of your word. This is just like doing business in person folks, if some random guy walked out of an alley and said "hey wanna buy these real Rolex's for $100?" I'm not going to trust the bastard.
  7. When it says "Core required in good condition", notice it says GOOD CONDITION. Read rule #2. I don't want the core back in damaged or unusable condition, what good is that?
  8. "Price is negotiable" or "OBO", means just that. Price is FIRM, means JUST THAT. NO NEGOTIATING. I find myself writing a whole paragraph saying to not lowball or I'll just ignore you. Then some morons offer half and get pissed when I don't respond to your offer. Continue to do so and I'll just mock you, trust me, you will not like it. This statement applies to "not parting out". Some people apparently can't read English.
  9. Nonwearable items. No, I do not think your offer of half my asking price is appropriate because it has 10k on it. It's a nonwearable item (Strut tower bar, master cylinder brace, etc), if it is in good condition it will sell at whatever the price the broad market determines is fair. Not your estimate that it's worth 20% what it was new.
  10. "JDM" doesn't make it better.
  11. Because you paid shipping on a part, and it's now at your house, doesn't mean the "new price" is the price plus the shipping to you. The buyer would only pay 1x the shipping amount from the vendor anyways. Even if the item is brand new, you are at the least going to take a hit on that.
  12. Don't post in someone's thread just to bash the item or the price. You want to be helpful and offer advice that something is priced incorrectly (in your OPINION)? Send a PRIVATE MESSAGE. Don't be "that guy". I have done this and been thanked, instead of attacked. Shocking what happens when you are helpful and don't attack right from the start.
  13. Regarding "dibs". Some people do it, some don't. More people should be specific of their stance on this in their original post. I for example will only do dibs for someone I know locally. Other than that, money talks, bull**** walks. I have found myself at times wanting a part, but for either financial or other reasons not being able to go through with it. At these times I do my best to convey the message that "I'm interested, but I need to sort out some things, if you still have it by mm/dd date I will likely purchase it from you".
  14. In addition to the note above, keep an open line of communication when a transaction takes longer than usual. Although even I with all the transactions I've done have lost PM's or simply spaced out due to work etc, I try my best to communicate no matter what the situation. Again, pretend you are dealing with people in person. I know I feel bad when I let something go unanswered for too long, I find it rude.
  15. Provide feedback. If someone was a good buyer/seller. It will only help the community if people know the good guys to deal with.
    Same goes for bad sellers/buyers. This area being a bit more tricky. I can imagine it can be abused, used too easily, or conversely not be used if you thought the other person would leave you bad feedback in return.
    My opinion, leave the feedback. You are doing yourself and others a disservice if you let someone who is being shady get by. So what if he/she leaves some negative feedback in return. Get a moderator involved and have them help clear that up.
  16. Last but definitely not least. It's just as important to be responsive and helpful AFTER the sale as it is before. Don't be all nice and cooperative before you get paid then a total prick when the item arrives and something needs clarifying or fixing. I've sat on the phone with people's techs to help them set the clutch adjustment on a clutch I sold because they didn't know how. Or I've offered to return the part because they thought the fitment was going to be different. Even sometimes when it's not on me I'll do it because I can still sell the part elsewhere, and not leave the buyer holding a part they don't need or doesn't work for them. I'm not saying have a Costco style return policy, but be reasonable.

Not everyone will hit on every one of these points 100% of the time. I know I don't. But honestly many of them should just be common sense. If all of us tried to act in accordance with these simple rules and have good manners, this forum would run much more smoothly and be welcoming to members, as opposed to upsetting people and turning them away. The forums are another tool to make your car more enjoyable. Use the tool correctly and don't abuse it.

So there. I had to write this out for my own good at the very least. If you like it, great! If not, you're likely one of the people I don't want to deal with
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:43 PM   #2
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I agree with all of this. It's extremely frustrating when someone posts on your car for sale thread saying "this looks exactly like a car I checked out a year ago but it was really beat up, but it may not be the same car, but it looks exactly like it, blahblahblah" Um no, unless you know 100% that is the item/vehicle do not post anything negative on someone else's for sale thread. And it can also be frustrating when you post "no lowballing" then get people literally asking if you'll take half your posted price. This isn't the flea market and most members on here know what their items are worth.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:03 PM   #3
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This is a good reminder for everyone. You have some very good points and I know I need to be better at following them all too. Everyone can benefit from this.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:06 PM   #4
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I agree with everything you've said, and I must give you props for the well-written post. Hell, if I were a mod, I'd sticky this.

If I were to add anything, it would be that honesty is very important when buying or selling something. Rather vague, yes, but true.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:57 PM   #5
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I would also like to say leave feedback. I have left feedback so many times for others and they have never returned the favor.
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Old 01-14-2012, 01:36 AM   #6
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I would also like to say leave feedback. I have left feedback so many times for others and they have never returned the favor.
This (and I'm guilty of forgetting about it, too).
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Old 01-14-2012, 01:48 AM   #7
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I would also like to say leave feedback. I have left feedback so many times for others and they have never returned the favor.
Yea, I've done a couple purchases, I have yet to get feedback, even though I have given feedback... I wouldn't care if I had a couple but since I have 0, it won't help when I start trying to sell.
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Old 01-14-2012, 01:53 AM   #8
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So did I not wrap the transmission mount enough?
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Old 01-14-2012, 02:12 AM   #9
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Why does everyone get so upset about the low-balling thing? I have been low-balled many times but when you state that an item is OBO, doesn't that mean "BEST OFFER"? No where in their does it specify a limit as to what the offer should be. Now don't get me wrong, common sense should be used when making an offer, but I don't think the seller should be cursing the person out or being so harsh just because they did not like the offer. Its not like they are holding a gun to your head and forcing you to sell it to them at their offered price.
When I get a low-ball offer I A) Don't respond if its something really ridiculous and its apparent they have no common sense or B) simply tell them no and give them a counter offer. I don't understand why people become upset and feel the need to curse and what not.

Same goes for the person making the offer. If someone doesn't respond to your offer or they say no. Don't start getting your panties all bunched up and ****ting on their thread.

I agree with most everything Kaos200 stated in his list and I would vote for it to be a sticky as well.
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Old 01-14-2012, 02:26 AM   #10
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This is probably one of the best posts I've read since the one on upgrading brakes
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Old 01-14-2012, 03:03 AM   #11
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Sticky?
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Old 01-14-2012, 04:14 AM   #12
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I appreciate you writing this up, some people just do not have common sense on this forum.
Thanks for taking the time to clarify (what should be) some obvious points to everyone.
I vote for sticky!
and +1 for leaving feedback!!
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Old 01-14-2012, 01:10 PM   #13
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So did I not wrap the transmission mount enough?
No man it took me a few minutes just to get that out of the wrapping ! Thank you again, will send you feedback soon


Thank you all for the positive feedback, glad to see others think alike.

monsta121, I rarely say OBO in my posts, and get offers of 50, 60, 70% of my asking price. And I KNOW the market prices of what I sell. So to me that is lowballing. Had I said "offers welcome" or OBO instead of reasonable OBO etc. I would expect a few people are going to shoot low.
I also don't curse them out, 99% of the time I will ignore it. But as you said, then they get pissed off
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Old 01-14-2012, 03:49 PM   #14
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No man it took me a few minutes just to get that out of the wrapping ! Thank you again, will send you feedback soon


Thank you all for the positive feedback, glad to see others think alike.

monsta121, I rarely say OBO in my posts, and get offers of 50, 60, 70% of my asking price. And I KNOW the market prices of what I sell. So to me that is lowballing. Had I said "offers welcome" or OBO instead of reasonable OBO etc. I would expect a few people are going to shoot low.
I also don't curse them out, 99% of the time I will ignore it. But as you said, then they get pissed off
I should have clarified. I was talking about when people list prices as OBO then get offended anytime they receive and offer below what they are asking. It just seems very contradicting to me. I can definitely see why you would get mad when people send you low offers when you have no indicated OBO.
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:42 PM   #15
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bumping this up for some more people to read.
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:54 PM   #16
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awesome info, im fairly new to buying and trading on forums, and Know personally have sucked at alot of these "rules" it's nice to see a base outline of what is expected with these transactions. although i'm still sticking to local trades, shipping is a big scary monster in my eyes :P
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Old 01-22-2012, 08:51 PM   #17
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I support this post.
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:34 PM   #18
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Excellent. Thanks for taking the time to write a well-written post.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:16 PM   #19
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Great post.

And to the OP, as stated above by several members, how about if you would please edit your post to add a comment (# 16) about an honest feedback; whether you are the seller or buyer, do share your honest opinion with the rest of the community in a timely manner.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:58 PM   #20
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I'll usually leave most for sale threads alone, the only time I won't is when someone is asking way over market and keep bumping their posts and acting like they are selling at some extreme discount.

So you should add "Don't bump your thread constantly". If it was something people are interested in, they'd have posted. 1 bump a day is probably sufficient.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:00 PM   #21
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I made a thread like this a while back: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2039819

It's amazing how difficult people can make buying/selling.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:06 PM   #22
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If your selling something, POST A PRICE! none of that, I got this shoot me an offer. If you post that, don't be offended when I lowball the hell out of you.
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+1 on sticky. Thanks for the write-up
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:46 PM   #24
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bumping this up for some more people to read.
I like you Very well written indeed.
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Yep, good read................
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