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Old 12-25-2012, 08:47 AM   #1
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Hi I have a 2002 2.5rs that I was originally planning to swap until I found another car for sale now I need some opinions. The car I found is a 2002 WRX, PSM just like my RS. This car has some front end danger from losing a fight with a dear I'll attach pictures at the end. The car has 166k miles (plan on pulling engine and rebuilding though) and has been sitting since October.

I'm not sure if it is 5 speed or manual also not sire if it has a clean title or not but I would guess it is clean. Anyhow he wants $3500 which I think seems a bit high, what's a fair price to offer him? I have been doing research and I've seen worse wrecks (rear end but not repairable) with lower miles go for as little as 1k on up to like $2800, including an 04 wagon with nothing behind the rear doors and 125k miles for $1500

. And am I better off continuing with the swap as planned or is the damage minimal enough that I should just take the parts off of my RS to fix the WRX buy a new radiator and call it a day. My RS is kinda sentimental, but its an 02 same as this one so I think I could get over it. I was just curious since I'd be pulling the engine regardless. My RS also has higher miles but the car is in perfect shape when it comes to the body, and it has been sitting for a year since blowing the engine.





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Old 12-25-2012, 09:53 AM   #2
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It doesn't seem like a smart move. Sell the RS and buy a decent wrx. He wants way too much.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:47 AM   #3
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$3500 for a WRX isn't bad. I'd get a quote on the damage. Is it totaled? If not you could buy it fix it, sell it with some profit. I would offer $2500.... You can get a new hood for cheap, radiator for cheap. Idk about the rad support lol
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:01 AM   #4
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$3500 for a WRX isn't bad. I'd get a quote on the damage. Is it totaled? If not you could buy it fix it, sell it with some profit. I would offer $2500.... You can get a new hood for cheap, radiator for cheap. Idk about the rad support lol
I have the rad support and hood from my RS if I'd fix this one, I'd just need the radiator itself that's all. Lights seem like they might be alright, he said the fogs busted out though. And yeah I was thinking 2500 too. I'm not sure if it is totaled or not I have to ask him that.

I think this is half decent for the price I pay 2500 fix it from my RS then scrap or sell my RS rest of the money I would save buying a clean WRX can go into rebuilding and upgrading this one. I mean average bugs go for like 8k on here all day, so take 2.5k off that leaves me with 5.5k to fix this up. Seems like a solid deal to me unless you guys think there's more to it then what I see? I have access to a welder who would take the old support out for me then I'd probably take it to a body shop to get the new one in so it's true. It seems all the damage was high so the frame should be alright right? Both fenders he said are good

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Old 12-25-2012, 11:48 AM   #5
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Auto adjuster here and Im nearly sure thats totaled. Avoid purchase!
Seriously, avoid purchase.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:55 AM   #6
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Auto adjuster here and Im nearly sure thats totaled. Avoid purchase!
Seriously, avoid purchase.
Really, just from that damage? Wow it seems like it wouldn't take much at all to fix. And I could still purchase it for parts for my clean title RS, unless you think that the damage hurt the engine/transmission/differential.

I don't know much about what it takes to total a car but I have been looking at cars on Copart.com and erepairibles.com and there are cars on there with much more damage going for around similar to slightly lower prices with varying damage location and miles. Seeing as my original intent is to swap my RS I'm not entirely scared by a totaled car. Maybe I will buy it and swap it all into an older Impreza L/2.5RS or OBS? Idk if you say the body is totaled or the drive train is toast with it?
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:03 PM   #7
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Yes, was at my Ipad at the time now Im on the PC...

Generally, to "total" a car (or more accurately, to make it a total loss), a percentage is used. How much of the value is taken by repairs?
Some states are lower, some are higher, my state is a bit high with a 75% repair value before a total is declared.
In the case of that car, you have a bent frame bar around the engine bay and god knows what kind of damage that isn't visible.

That repair will take a good bit of conventional repairs and the auto shop will really determine the cost but I assure you it will be close to a total loss if it isn't technically a total loss.

Even then, lets say it isn't... How much work are you willing to put in and how much money are you will to spend on a car in that condition?
Compare that to how much car you could get for the total costs of repairs and upkeep on a car that well damaged and Im sure it will be a no brainer.

Skip the horribly damaged old car and use the money that would have gone to repairs on getting a car that isn't (already) a total loss.

Even in a best case scenario with that car you'd still be fighting phantom problems springing from the original damage (though a body shop would never admit that).

More over, we haven't even addressed the technical side of insuring and owning a car that was declared a total loss.

My guess.
The owner took the money from Insurance for a total loss, did the buy back and is now trying to sell it for even more money.

I wouldn't touch that car with a 10 ft. dead deer.

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Btw, NADA puts that cars value at 3,700 rough trade and 5,500 clean trade (with 150k miles used for value since I didn't know the miles).
That would mean even in a state like LA. with 75% for a total, and using the best trade value you could get, you'd only have to get 4100 in repairs before its a total loss.

Hard call on total damage amount but its so close that I would certainly avoid damage of that level.
Keep in mind I'm only able to see the bent frame bar around the engine, if there is other damage you'd be hard pressed not to total out. Also, remember that as a car gets older it isn't going to hold up to a nasty impact from a deer like it would have 10 years ago.

Then again, it's a picture, maybe the damage isn't as bad as it looks.

Personally though, I'd avoid it.
Say you only need 2500 to repair it (which I doubt), combine that with the sale or trade of your current vehicle and you wouldn't be far from buy the same car off a lot without having a nasty accident on the record.

If nothing else, make sure you run the VIN through every source you can as to make sure it wasn't a total loss.

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Btw, in PA I believe a total loss threshold is determined by the Insurer and could be nearly anything between 50% and 75%, there also appears to be no laws about buying back a totaled vehicle. That means you could buy it just to try and Insure it only to find out they will not Insure it because its a total loss... Or they could ask to view the car, see the damage, require repairs before Insuring, and then upon attempt to repair find out it's a total loss.

Again, I advise against purchase of said vehicle but then again, you're an adult, it's up to you.

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Old 12-25-2012, 12:25 PM   #8
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It has 166k miles too, guy just answered me it is a salvage title already so I'm assuming you're correct he took the pay and walked away or wasn't covered if it his was his own fault and now is just out a car. He said it would need belts and a battery to start for me to even see the engine run either which is all I really want.

My RS needs engine/WRX wiring harness/transmission 5 speed conversion ect/ fender and a door to be back in running condition, all of which this has.

Since you're saying the body is toast I could still use it as a donor for my RS and rebuild the engine while it's out rebuild it which makes the miles a non issue if done right. Just the way I look at it a wrx engine is 1500 a transmission another 500/800 harness 200/300 door 150 fender 100 there's all but 2500 anyhow just to piece together the parts to swap my RS, then I have interior and other body panels I can resell to recoup some money. Is this a viable option for a car like this? If I can get it for around the 2k mark it seems like it wouldn't be bad as long as I do it right and hear it run which I can do I have the belts I'd just need a battery.

I'm just throwing out ideas and since the idea of fixing this car is not practical, I thought maybe it could be repurposed, I'd hate to see a mild wreck (compared to what is on the two sites I stated) go to waste. Any how the input I've received is much appreciated let me know if this is a possible good swap donor. Thank you guys!
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:31 PM   #9
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Belts must be replaced, the accident killed the internal one-time use fuse.
Battery.
Body and Hood
Radiator?
Frame damage

Adds up quick, I'd say a repair of that car is out of the question unless you really want to pay for a car that wasn't totaled and get a totaled car.

Seriously, save a little, and I mean a little, sell your RS and find a non-totaled WRX.

Again though, you're an adult and can make up your own mind.

Me though, as an adjuster and enthusiast, that car is an over priced head-ache for years to come- I promise.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:55 PM   #10
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I just totaled my wrx wagon 02 170xxx miles on it.

It had severe front end damage from hitting a railroad tie pole head on.

I got 7500 for the car and it is no way drivible or fixable

I would say take the parts off of it and rebuild them and swap them into the RS if you want to keep the RS for a long time +5 years and make it your own.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:55 PM   #11
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Belts must be replaced, the accident killed the internal one-time use fuse.
Battery.
Body and Hood
Radiator?
Frame damage

Adds up quick, I'd say a repair of that car is out of the question unless you really want to pay for a car that wasn't totaled and get a totaled car.

Seriously, save a little, and I mean a little, sell your RS and find a non-totaled WRX.

Again though, you're an adult and can make up your own mind.

Me though, as an adjuster and enthusiast, that car is an over priced head-ache for years to come- I promise.
I misunderstood him it still has a clean title though that doesn't matter.

One time use fuse? I've never heard of this where us it located?

So not even as donor car to swap most or all of the parts into my 2.5rs? What do guys use when they do their swaps then out of curiosity because I've seen the swaps before i wouldn't think they'd hack up a perfectly good car to do it? I'm not doubting you or anything I don't want to come across wrong, I'm just genuinely curious how they do it on here, as a donor car seems a much cheaper option then sourcing parts individually.

Even if I buy a better condition wrx I still would want to do belts and such unless there's proof the previous owner did them. I guess I'm looking at it as this way I save some money and can rebuild/upgrade the engine where as a nice 8k or so wrx would leave me with no money to put back into the car I buy. I really appreciate all your input and help, I originally thought this was a solid buy, but you guys have given me food for thought and questions to ask so I'm grateful for that.

Though I'm really confused what a one time use fuse is lol
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:59 PM   #12
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I just totaled my wrx wagon 02 170xxx miles on it.

It had severe front end damage from hitting a railroad tie pole head on.

I got 7500 for the car and it is no way drivible or fixable

I would say take the parts off of it and rebuild them and swap them into the RS if you want to keep the RS for a long time +5 years and make it your own.
This is what I'd really like to do, swap my RS and make it nice and solid K
I love Subarus but I haven't had the best of luck buying them and having them last besides my RS it took everything I could throw at it till it basically died of ooold motor age (250k ish,) I had it for a 100k and I thought swapping it and building the motor myself would be a safe way to know I did it the best it could be done. Plus then if the damn thing blows up I can't blame anyone but myself as long as I don't let my fiance drive it lmao
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Old 12-25-2012, 03:51 PM   #13
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I'm not a mechanic.
I don't know what the mechanism is in the seat belt that is used when an accident occurs but I'm sure there is one that has to be replaced (though it may only be for an airbag deployed accident).

Any mechanics around can weigh in on that...
Like wise, good luck with purchase!
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:55 PM   #14
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I'm not a mechanic.
I don't know what the mechanism is in the seat belt that is used when an accident occurs but I'm sure there is one that has to be replaced (though it may only be for an airbag deployed accident).

Any mechanics around can weigh in on that...
Like wise, good luck with purchase!
Oh ok yeah I know what you are talking about in the belts, I took what you meant as something in the engine.

I offered the guy $2000 he said he "has standing offers for $2500" that he hasn't taken, apparently. I told him I wouldn't go over $2300 and haven't heard from him, so I guess I'm not getting this any way I look at it lol.
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