Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Saturday October 25, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Classifieds > Vendor Announcements

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-27-2012, 03:07 PM   #1
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default Killer B FEELER - Rotated Upper Turbo Coolant Tank Thingy....

So here is the thought process behind a “Mini” Engine Coolant Filler Tank (commonly referred to as the Upper/Turbo Coolant Reservoir)…

The purpose of the OEM Engine Coolant Filler Tank (here forth known as the “ECFT”) is a high point fill. What is a high point fill? Good question! Bear with me as I ramble a bit… On most cars the radiator filler cap is the highest point in the cooling loop. This allows the coolant to be added and/or replaced while allowing air to escape the system at the same time. Without a high point that can be opened, or vented, air can be trapped compromising the effectiveness of the cooling system. A quick thread search will show LOTS of “I just changed my radiator and now my car overheats” threads that are a perfect example of what can happen if air is trapped in the cooling system. The turbocharged Subaru is a bit of an oddball in that the radiator filler neck is not the high point of the cooling system; the turbo charger sits higher than the radiator filler neck. So, to address this situation Subaru uses the ECFT. The ECFT allows the cooling system to be filled and air to escape similar to a traditional system.

For guys running a rotated turbo setup the turbo inlet and/or inlet piping interferes with the ECFT. This means the tank either needs to be relocated or removed. While some have been successful in removing the ECFT, this is not the preferred method as its success is hit or miss at best. The other option is relocating the OEM tank to another location. Firewall, strut towers, and various other areas in the engine bay have been used via fabrication of brackets and other less glamorous methods. While this can work, the relocation requires longer lines that may themselves trap air if the routing is not well thought out, the final location may not be high enough to be as effective as the OEM location and it requires the additional use of fabrication tool and materials, which many of us do not have.

Back to the original point of the post, the thought of manufacturing a “Mini’ ECFT that would utilize the OEM high point location, mounting points, Subaru filler cap, and most importantly, provide clearance for the big rotated turbo setups. All while looking like it belonged there, not as an afterthought.

At this point a concept design has been made and I’m on the fence as far as what kind of market demand there may, or may not, be. So here I am, calling out any and all opinions on the matter, from you, the Subaru community that we make these parts for in the first place. So please feel free to share any thoughts, likes, dislikes, ideas, etc., etc…

Thanks!
Chris

UPDATE:

Here's a prototype to give you an idea of the size. A couple tweaks to make, but this is basically it...



As finished in Powder Coat



BEFORE



AFTER


* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by KillerBMotorsport; 12-02-2013 at 09:27 AM.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 04:17 PM   #2
SatinWhitePearl
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (10)
 
Member#: 170780
Join Date: Feb 2008
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Vehicle:
2007 STi
Satin White Pearl

Default

...just do it.
SatinWhitePearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 04:53 PM   #3
bspec
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (0)
 
Member#: 215964
Join Date: Jul 2009
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Omaha
Vehicle:
2008 Legacy spec.B
QSM

Default

Since I'm not rotated, pricing would be a key issue for me. Also, would it come with new lines?
bspec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 06:05 PM   #4
BlackedOut04
Scooby Newbie
Member Sales Rating: (14)
 
Member#: 149468
Join Date: May 2007
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Billings, MT
Vehicle:
2004 STi
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SatinWhitePearl View Post
...just do it.
This, would buy, do need.
BlackedOut04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 07:11 PM   #5
Speedster329
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (71)
 
Member#: 214652
Join Date: Jun 2009
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Yonkers
Vehicle:
2004 STI !
JBP !

Default

what about the non rotated guys looking to change out the stock ugly looking one ?? this would be great for many Subaru owners trying to spice up the engine bay to look better !
Speedster329 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 08:48 PM   #6
vision.dynamix
Scooby Guru
Member Sales Rating: (49)
 
Member#: 139955
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boston
Vehicle:
2015 Subaru STI
Black, like my soul.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedster329 View Post
what about the non rotated guys looking to change out the stock ugly looking one ?? this would be great for many Subaru owners trying to spice up the engine bay to look better !
FYI, 2 factory replacement pieces exist, from Forge and Moroso.
vision.dynamix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 08:58 PM   #7
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

The Forge one is huge and has lackluster reviews. The Mosoro one is an over flow tank not a ECTF... althought we WILL be coming out with a competitive product to the Moroso piece, but better
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 09:00 PM   #8
vision.dynamix
Scooby Guru
Member Sales Rating: (49)
 
Member#: 139955
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boston
Vehicle:
2015 Subaru STI
Black, like my soul.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport View Post
The Forge one is huge and has lackluster reviews. The Mosoro one is an over flow tank not a ECTF... althought we WILL be coming out with a competitive product to the Moroso piece, but better
The Moroso is a ECTF. I have one.



Im interested in seeing the KBM offerings for both items, though. Even though yesterday I swore I am never modifying a car again.
vision.dynamix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 09:26 PM   #9
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vision.dynamix View Post
The Moroso is a ECTF. I have one.

Im interested in seeing the KBM offerings for both items, though. Even though yesterday I swore I am never modifying a car again.
Oh yeah. I forgot about that one. That's still too big though. Plus it doesn't use a Suby cap. Many (including Moroso) don't know that the cap is specific to the ECTF. It's not just a radiator cap. Look in your FSM
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by KillerBMotorsport; 12-27-2012 at 11:24 PM.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 11:37 PM   #10
Zulu-
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (6)
 
Member#: 232213
Join Date: Dec 2009
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Asheville, NC
Default

The cap is specific. . .ruh, roh. Guess I shouldn't have that SARD 1.5kg on there. .lmao.
Zulu- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2012, 11:45 PM   #11
EvileyeZ88
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (47)
 
Member#: 233501
Join Date: Dec 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Fairfax Va
Vehicle:
07AD 337/335SAXWAGON
99 outback sport

Default

I'm in, I just want to have something a little nicer looking that I can tuck out of the way.

A clean looking IM is a happy IM.

~Evil
EvileyeZ88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2012, 10:51 AM   #12
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zulu- View Post
The cap is specific. . .ruh, roh. Guess I shouldn't have that SARD 1.5kg on there. .lmao.
Yeah that's bad. The ECFT needs to have a lower pressure rating than the radiator cap so system pressure will equalize. As your system sits right now, you're sending coolant to the overflow prematurely

Keep the comments coming guys!!!
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2012, 08:42 PM   #13
gtasti
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (56)
 
Member#: 152036
Join Date: Jun 2007
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Ontario
Vehicle:
2004 Sti
PSM

Default

I'd be in on one
gtasti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2012, 12:05 AM   #14
Big-Sexy907
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (25)
 
Member#: 59057
Join Date: Apr 2004
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Alaska
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza, STi.
Silver

Default

I would purchase one right now. I'm in process of switching over all my hose to AN fittings and need a solution for this tank. I'm running a rotated Cosworth Manifold and would like a location that mounts behind the Cosworth intake manifold. I really hate the Moroso tank, bottle style containers are usually too tall for where I would like to mount them, plus they don't usually have an option for AN fittings (unless its Carbing then the fittings are too small). The only other option is a Crawford Performance tank, but again it does not come with AN fittings as an option. The Crawford tank has the best shape out of the bunch, but still lacks features that people with more custom engine bay layouts desire.

I tell you what, build me a custom tank that's 4.5" OD by 5" tall with complete AN fitting connections that mounts behind the Cosworth tank somewhere on the transmission and I would pay you INSTANTLY!

Sorry for the excitement, but there is not another company out there that produces such an item for our market.
Big-Sexy907 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 07:25 AM   #15
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtasti View Post
I'd be in on one
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Sexy907 View Post
I would purchase one right now. I'm in process of switching over all my hose to AN fittings and need a solution for this tank.

I tell you what, build me a custom tank that's 4.5" OD by 5" tall with complete AN fitting connections that mounts behind the Cosworth tank somewhere on the transmission and I would pay you INSTANTLY!
OK, good to know. Our tank would be NPT threaded so you can install whatever fittings you needed (barb, AN adapters, etc...).

We're not a custom fab shop, so I can't help you on that one We do book engineering time, but even at that our next open slot is out over 6 months
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 08:43 AM   #16
Big-Sexy907
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (25)
 
Member#: 59057
Join Date: Apr 2004
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Alaska
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza, STi.
Silver

Default

Any idea of how this will be designed? I could probably change my layout pending your design.
Big-Sexy907 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 09:44 AM   #17
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

I try to get some models posted.

BTW, this will use a SUBARU cap. The cap designed for the ECFT so the system will function as intended. The filler neck will be CNC milled from solid billet aluminum since no one else makes a Subaru ECTS filler neck
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 04:06 PM   #18
ketchupdtf
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (33)
 
Member#: 175060
Join Date: Mar 2008
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Palmpton
Vehicle:
GR STi
FYF Squad!

Default

I don't need it, but i want one! I'll be in for one.
ketchupdtf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 09:27 PM   #19
reid-o
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (3)
 
Member#: 103631
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mililani, Hawaii
Vehicle:
2004 STI
Black

Default

I'm interested but would like to see where it's mounted.
reid-o is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2013, 07:03 AM   #20
Big-Sexy907
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (25)
 
Member#: 59057
Join Date: Apr 2004
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Alaska
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza, STi.
Silver

Default

Please make a tank small and good looking enough to have out. All of the other tanks usually are shaped wonky, not round, and generally unattractive. I'm presently buying my AN fittings so I can have my local machine shop build mine to spec.
Big-Sexy907 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2013, 06:28 PM   #21
shadowpr
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (25)
 
Member#: 273800
Join Date: Feb 2011
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Vehicle:
2009 WRX

Default

in for pics of possible design. would like to have something nicer looking and smaller for stock location turbo
shadowpr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2013, 08:25 AM   #22
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ketchupdtf View Post
I don't need it, but i want one! I'll be in for one.
Cool, thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by reid-o View Post
I'm interested but would like to see where it's mounted.
Same location/mounting as OEM, just better

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Sexy907 View Post
Please make a tank small and good looking enough to have out. All of the other tanks usually are shaped wonky, not round, and generally unattractive. I'm presently buying my AN fittings so I can have my local machine shop build mine to spec.
Define 'good looking'. This is subjective am I an engineer so I have no 'feelings', or as my wife puts it, "I'm dead inside"... but if you guys have any kind of concesus on shape (round or rectangular), the masses just might get their way

The ports will all be NPT so using a barb (OEM), AN or other fittings is dependant on what adapter you put in there

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowpr View Post
in for pics of possible design. would like to have something nicer looking and smaller for stock location turbo
See above

What I've got so far is rectangular in shape. It allows the most compact design and simplifies manufacturing a bit.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2013, 08:32 AM   #23
Big-Sexy907
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (25)
 
Member#: 59057
Join Date: Apr 2004
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Alaska
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza, STi.
Silver

Default

Thanks for the opportunity for us to lend ideas to the design. I'm going with a different mounting location besides stock since I have a flipped Cosworth manifold. Thanks again!
Big-Sexy907 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2013, 01:08 PM   #24
monkiboy
Scooby Specialist
Member Sales Rating: (34)
 
Member#: 202958
Join Date: Feb 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: washington, dc
Vehicle:
2008 wrx

Default

so it woud likely mount to the intake manifold or to the block somehow? i'd prefer the later and as would some other rotated folks that perhaps have flipped manifolds or shaved manifolds or are we in the minority. if it was tied into the block somehow, then everyone could be included.

i'd appreciate a cleaner option that using my stock one on my 08 wrx. even if i couldn't use it in it's intended location but could adapt to install where my OEM one is now for a cleaner look, that'd be great. i dont think i have room in the stock location anyway so perhaps just having your product as a replacement would be nice. i would love a clean looking cylinder to play off the cosworth AOS. this seems like a popular AOS and mounting for rotated guys so i can't be the only one.

here is the visual - awesome to here about all the new projects, chris! good ideas!

monkiboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2013, 05:31 PM   #25
KillerBMotorsport
NASIOC Vendor
Vendor Sales Rating: (43)
 
Member#: 198281
Join Date: Dec 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia
Vehicle:
2005 WRX/STi
WRB of course

Default

I'll look into the feasability with engine mounting, but the shaved manifold crowd is VERY small.

How do you have the OEM one mounted there?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Highly Advanced and Full of Awesomeness - Patent Pending


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vs.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


V2 High Performance Aluminum
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Brushed & Polished Delrin Shift knobs!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
KillerBMotorsport is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.