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Old 12-28-2012, 02:18 PM   #1
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Default Sick of my lowering springs, coilovers next?

So I have Mach V lowering springs on my stock 06 struts. That's my only suspension mod so far. After install they look great minus a few things.

The front coils bind and touch under slight bumps and they are very close together, unsure why. The struts have 30k on them.

And now the rears are looking a bit saggy, but it could be just me I'm not sure.



So I would rather just not have to deal with it and get a set of good coilovers (1000-1800) to use. I do not want to slam the car or have a stupidly stiff ride. The car is mostly a daily I would like to try road racing or autox in the summer aswell as some rallyx.

That being said I would want to be able to have at least stock ride height and the ability to raise it if I want. I will set it and forget it once I decide where I want it through summer and winter. I don't believe you should raise it and lower it each season.

I'm looking at some of the ones from tic, bc, or stance.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:27 PM   #2
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The coils will touch each other with those springs (many others will too), they are dead coils. Meant to take up slack when the car is unweighted.

With a car that is basically stock perhaps you should do more research on what you might want to do with your car. Most coilovers at the $1000-1500 are not going to be that good. If you live with snow and salt you will probably have problems with corrosion too.
For the $1000-1500 range you are probably better off with a strut/spring combo. Like Tokico D-Specs and RCE springs (there are many other combos too).
Take your time, do some reading. You can then make a better choice as to what will work for you.
Also be honest with yourself on how you will use the car. Lots of people think they will be at the track every weekend when they start buying all this stuff, but most only make it once or twice a year. What works on the track is not always best for the street.
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:23 PM   #3
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i would look into trying to get some new struts, springs dont really wear out that fast from my understanding.

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I do not want to slam the car or have a stupidly stiff ride. The car is mostly a daily I would like to try road racing or autox in the summer aswell as some rallyx.
i would satay away from coilovers from that statement alone.

I have koni's and rce yellows and they are full soft now for the winter and ride firm but very comfortable over rough roads feels like a oem sports car not a modded import... If you value ride quality then i would start by getting some better struts and see from there.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:39 PM   #4
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I'm looking at some of the ones from tic, bc, or stance.
not garbage...garbage and garbage

get some dspec struts and some sti take off springs and go from there and you will be FAR better off


edit....raed that 'tic' as 'jic'

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:03 PM   #5
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I do often (almost every weekend) do some aggressive back road driving but that's about it most of the year.

The tic stuff isn't garbage so I don't know what you are talking about.


I like the idea of d specs, the sti I drove with em I liked how it felt a lot, but I feel like for the money it's not worth it. Sti pink springs I assume you mean? I want as low as they are now or maybe a LITTLE lower.


The main reason I'm considering coils is the ease of height adjustability to make the car perfectly level.


Also, what do you mean by dead coil? Like bad from the factory? I'll call machv then but it's been a summer running them....
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:25 PM   #6
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Also, what do you mean by dead coil? Like bad from the factory? I'll call machv then but it's been a summer running them....
I think he means that those coils are there so that when you jack your car up the springs will not lose contact with the spring perches. When the car is on the ground those coils are compressed. Give it a shot, jack your car up and see of the springs come unseated and if those coils stretch out.


From the sounds of it, you have a couple of good options:

1 - D-specs + springs
2 - Koni inserts + springs
3 - TiC sells a relatively cheap set of Suspension Technique coilovers. (ST is owned by KW)
4 - Feal inserts + springs
5 - Feal 441 coilovers

From those options, #3 and #5 are height adjustable.
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yeah or like cresting a hill and you unload the suspension all the way.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:30 PM   #8
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I do often (almost every weekend) do some aggressive back road driving but that's about it most of the year.

The tic stuff isn't garbage so I don't know what you are talking about.


I like the idea of d specs, the sti I drove with em I liked how it felt a lot, but I feel like for the money it's not worth it. Sti pink springs I assume you mean? I want as low as they are now or maybe a LITTLE lower.


The main reason I'm considering coils is the ease of height adjustability to make the car perfectly level.


Also, what do you mean by dead coil? Like bad from the factory? I'll call machv then but it's been a summer running them....


....you dont know what you want

you do NOT want the car perfectly level....THAT is a real bad idea for several reasons

a corner balanced car is almost NEVER perfectly level.....can NOT be

and you could do dspecs with ground control sleves and be able to adjust height....but you dont wanna just go adjusting height based on what YOU THINK is right...because that WONT BE right....
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Dead coils are made like that on purpose. They are supposed to touch like that. Many lowering springs are made that way. They take up space when the suspension is unloaded so the spring does not fly around and become unseated.

Uncle Scotty made good points about coil overs. Before you go that route learn all you can on what using them means to you as far as set up, use and maintenance. They are very different than struts and springs.

I think they are good tools for specific uses, but not for a street car.

It's up to you though.
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:26 AM   #10
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Oh no I mean, almost all the coils touch or are extremely close together. Not just a few.



And I know that, I was just saying it. I would set the height and have it corner balanced once if I was going to the track and never adjust them again. The lack of adjustability was why I went with just springs the first time, so I could get the feel of my car mostly stock first and I didn't want or need any adjustability.
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Oh no I mean, almost all the coils touch or are extremely close together. Not just a few.
They should not all be that close.
Can you post a pic?
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:17 PM   #12
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I'm on my iPad, I'll see if I have one and try to post it

Nope it's on my broken phone. I'll re take it in a little

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damn...sounds like a colapsed spring
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damn...sounds like a colapsed spring
How's that happen?

I've had Whiteline Control springs on the wagon for ages and I thought they felt pretty good 9 years ago. Recently I've been bottoming out on bigger bumps. I've already got a set of GC's set to go in, but I don't want to sell someone the WL's if they're broken and not just too low for me.
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Collapsed springs are rare, but do happen.
Post a pic, or send a pic to the manufacturer.
It's bad juju to sell broken stuff. Good for you for not wanting to do that.
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I really liked the swift R springs on d specs. Really good street/ autox setup. Not harsh. even 1500$ coils are not that good and as said before would probaly rust up in one winter with salt.
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How's that happen?

I've had Whiteline Control springs on the wagon for ages and I thought they felt pretty good 9 years ago. Recently I've been bottoming out on bigger bumps. I've already got a set of GC's set to go in, but I don't want to sell someone the WL's if they're broken and not just too low for me.


springs DO wear out.......yeah...they sag and get soft

9yo slammer springs are done...all done

and wl springs are all slammer springs anyway
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I really liked the swift R springs on d specs. Really good street/ autox setup. Not harsh. even 1500$ coils are not that good and as said before would probaly rust up in one winter with salt.
As with any parts that are exposed to the elements, it all depends on how you maintain them. Sure, if you just slap a set of coils on and let them sit through the winter then of course they're going to rust out. But if you take the time to coat them with rust inhibitors, wash, and re-grease them there are sub-$1k coilovers that can be rebuilt a few times before they wear out.

That's why I never have and never will understand the "set it and forget it" coilover guys. Sure, you can take this route, but 10 times out of 10, parts that are maintained and taken care of are going to perform better and last longer than parts that are just installed and neglected.

OP, check out Bilstein PSS9's. They're going to be on the more expensive side of your price range, but in my experiences, they far out perform and other comparable coilover. I've driven TEIN, BC Racing, Megan, etc. suspension setups and none of them have compared to the daily driveability / superior performance of the PSS9's. Not to say that there aren't other good coilovers out there, but do it once and don't look back.

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My springs were always like it (once they settled) the rears don't have an issue to my knowledge. I will take a picture tomorrow at work and post it.

I've had them in for only a few thousand miles so far. And the drop was supposed to be minimal, which it was.


This time around ill do swift spec r and d specs with GPN hats or a coilover. I can't decide.


The thing about the d specs is I can raise the car on a regular impreza lift kit if I want which I like because I do want to lift it at least one winter to try and see if I like the look.
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Well, FWIW, I was considering various spring options (I already have D-specs) and finally went with the CG sleeve kit. I couldn't really find any downsides to it, other than cost, but the springs I was looking at were about the same price and shipping would have made them even more. With the GC kit swapping springs is cheap and easy. And it gets me more inboard clearance if I decide to go with wider tires for auto-x.
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dont know if you looked op, but heres a assembled dspec setup in your price range. Makes install 100% easier.

http://turninconcepts.com/product_in...oducts_id=1098
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Those are fine.....if its riding bad...the struts are shot
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I can't even fit a pinky in there and they are mis shapen looking, and if you see every coil has rust from binding.


The struts are stock with 30k miles on em.


I am also considering getting swift spec r springs and sti struts and having feal re valve them for the springs. I keep hearing the d spec struts clunk after a while and yeah.
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They are doing what they are supposed to do. Quite a few different spring manufacturers design their springs that way. There are a few coils of the spring with a softer effective rate. They take up the curb weight of the vehicle. This is like using a tender spring on coilovers. It is a softer rate intended to compress as much as it does. It helps keep the spring in contact with the perch when the suspension is unloaded, but is compressed under load leaving the rest of the spring coils to provide a more linear spring rate.
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